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Lee-Z 12-31-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 1629516)
Princess Beatrix and her sister, Princess Margriet, each have the title of Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld. When their mother, Princess Juliana married Prince Bernhard, did Juliana's surname become Lippe-Biesterfeld?

According to this wiki article Lippe-Biesterfeld - Wikipedia (for what it's worth..)
Juliana and Bernhard got the name"van Lippe-Biesterfeld" (prince/princess) in 1937 just prior to their marriage. The title is based on Bernhard's original name "zur Lippe-Biesterfeld".
Their 4 daughters all have the title "Prinses van Lippe-Biesterfeld". After them the title will be extinct as it is only transferable in male line.

For Juliana this was one of many titles, i don't think she actually used it as last name a lot..

lucien 12-31-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 1629516)
Princess Beatrix and her sister, Princess Margriet, each have the title of Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld. When their mother, Princess Juliana married Prince Bernhard, did Juliana's surname become Lippe-Biesterfeld?

No,that remained van Oranje-Nassau,by law,but she did become a Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld.

Even tho the title will be extinct after the passing of the four Princesses,the van Lippe Biesterfeld name will live on with Anastasia (Anna),Lucas and Felicia,children of TH Prince Maurits and Princess Marilène of Orange Nassau van Vollenhoven as was arranged after the passing of HRH Prince Bernhard in 2004.

An Ard Ri 12-31-2013 10:19 AM

Did Prince Bernhards younger brother die childless?

Lee-Z 12-31-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1629643)
Did Prince Bernhards younger brother die childless?

Indeed, Ashwin had no children from his marriage to Simone Arnoux (she had two children from a previous marriage)

An Ard Ri 12-31-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee-Z (Post 1629657)
Indeed, Ashwin had no children from his marriage to Simone Arnoux (she had two children from a previous marriage)

Thanks Lee-Z,I recall reading before that Prince Bernhards mother HSH Princess Armgard of Lippe-Biesterfeld converted to Catholicismm,but wasn't 100% certain on this.

Marengo 03-06-2014 06:37 AM

This month it will be 10 years ago that Queen Juliana died. The NOS will broadcast a programme about Juliana during the war. Sociologist and historian Jolande Withuis is writing a biography about Queen Juliana. Her conclusion about this perdiod is that the ideas that we have about her role during the war years is inaccurate. It was believed that Juliana mainly stayed at home in Ottawa, taking care of her children. This image was provided by historian Lou de Jong (who wrote the most important history of the second world war), who wrote that: 'her place was with the children'. De Jong mainly focussed on the roles of his great heroine Queen Wilhelmina and Prince Bernhard, even though he must have known what Juliana did and that his conclusion was false as he wanted to portray her as a house wife.

Withuis shows that Juliana was very active, made a lot of travels. To the US, Venezuela, the Dominican Republic, Suriname, the Antilles etc etc. She gave a lot of speeches too, always focussing on the war in Europe. And she knew how to strong bond with president Roosevelt and especially with his wife Eleonor. The historian said that Juliana was fascinated by Eleonor Roosevelt, 'it was the kind of woman she would never in a million years meet in The Netherlands'.

ROYALBLOG.NL: 'Juliana was een strijdbare vrouw'

Prof. Fasseur (biographer of Wilhelmina and of the Greet Hofmans crisis) and Withuis claim that she becae stronger and more independent in this period, without her dominant mother and husband close by. Unsurprisingly Bernhard didn't appreciate this new found independance of his wife and he is critical of her in letters.Juliana communicated with her mother about Wilhelmina's plans for after the war. Bernhard asked his mother-in-law to make sure that Juliana would spend enough time at home with her family. Juliana doesn't agree and writes her mother: 'make sure that I will have a real role and that I don't turn out to be the refrain in the song that sings Bernhard'.

Fasseur suspects that Juliana's speeches are less remmebered as Queen Wilhelmina's speeches were more explicit, with stronger. Though pacifist Juliana also disappeared in these years and she is talking about: 'getting the Germans by the throat'.

Berhard had a relationship that started in the war and lasted in the years after. Juliana's hope of comradery and forming a team together in the Netherlands were crushed: 'she was very lonely'.

The documentary was broadcasted yesterday and can be wached here:

https://www.uitzendinggemist.nl/afleveringen/1401887

The documentary had some new clips.

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Again it reaffirms that Bernhard was the worst thing that happened to the Dutch monarchy in the 20th century. I am very curious about the complete biography, esp. after the very one-sided view of Prof. Fasseurs book about Greet Hofmans, who was very much on Bernhards side. I suspect that this book will show the other -neglected- side.

An Ard Ri 04-24-2014 04:00 PM

Queen Juliana's Birthday (1950-1959)


Queen Juliana's Birthday (1950-1959) - YouTube

An Ard Ri 04-24-2014 06:18 PM

Queen Juliana's State Visit To Belgium (1960)

Queen Juliana's State Visit To Belgium (1960) - YouTube

An Ard Ri 04-24-2014 06:26 PM

Dutch Royal Christmas 1954

Queen Juliana Entertains Royal Household At Christmas (1954) - YouTube

An Ard Ri 04-24-2014 06:29 PM

State Visit from the UK in 1958

Royal Visit To Netherlands (1958) - YouTube

Marengo 05-12-2015 08:49 AM

Prince Bernhard is mentioned in the book 'Operation Lock and the War on Rhino Poaching' by John Hanks. Apparently he financed a secret and violent campaign against the poaching of Rhino's in Southern Africa in the 1980s. He sold two paintings from the royal collection to get the needed 1.5 million guilders. The paintings sold were 'The Holy Family' by Murillo (unclear which one) and 'The Rape of Europe' by Elisabetta Sirani.

Onthullingen over Bernhards geheime Afrika-operatie - Royalty Online

More on the operation: https://www.randomstruik.co.za/books/...-poaching/5782

episcogal 05-13-2015 01:20 AM

The Christmas video is especially sweet.

lucien 05-13-2015 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 1778706)
Prince Bernhard is mentioned in the book 'Operation Lock and the War on Rhino Poaching' by John Hanks. Apparently he financed a secret and violent campaign against the poaching of Rhino's in Southern Africa in the 1980s. He sold two paintings from the royal collection to get the needed 1.5 million guilders. The paintings sold were 'The Holy Family' by Murillo (unclear which one) and 'The Rape of Europe' by Elisabetta Sirani.

Onthullingen over Bernhards geheime Afrika-operatie - Royalty Online

More on the operation: Operation Lock and the War on Rhino Poaching - Africa - John Hanks, - 9781770227293

Bernhard and his collegue from the UK were known for this,as the author states.I first heard,and applauded it,and still do,in the 90's!

Not just in the war against poaching rhino's,but also for all other game in danger.Like the 65.000 elephants that were slaughtered (!!!) in Tanzania recently...In a so-called program to Protect the elephants...funded by the EU...Tanzania hushed up about in fear of loosing money from lala Europe!! For crying out loud!!They used it instead to slaughter them and sell ivory to China...No,really...I am ALL for a solution to the poaching problem like Bernhard & Co emphasized!!Like yesterday!!!Bravo!

An Ard Ri 03-23-2016 03:39 PM

H.M.QUEEN JULIANA IN TEHERAN 1963

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZD30PehwkQ

Marengo 10-25-2016 06:21 AM

Historian Jolande Withuis made a documentary about Queen Juliana for the NOS. She discovered that at two different points Juliana wanted to divorce Bernhard. This did not happen, partly by political pressure.

MSN

Lee-Z 10-26-2016 12:56 PM

....and published a new biography about Juliana "Queen in a men's world"
https://geschiedenis-winkel.nl/julia...e-withuis.html
google translated

Various media quote bits from the biography, the bits they quote probably say a lot about the royal tendencies of the particular medium ;)

AD https://www.ad.nl/dossier-nieuws/juli...reem~af62ea43/
Volkskrant https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/...aren~a4402333/
Trouw https://m.trouw.nl/tr/m/nl/4512/Cultu...volgster.dhtml
HP de Tijd https://www.hpdetijd.nl/2016-10-26/5-...ard-biografie/
(google translated struggles with the cookies on these, if someone knows a way around that?)

Duc_et_Pair 10-26-2016 01:16 PM

Jolande Withuis was pretty hard for both.

Bernhard was an unscrupuled rough golddigger and serial adulterer.

Juliana was a Queen which allowed her whole organization and even the royal function being under influence of "a sect" (Withuis' words).

In the end Withuis concluded that it was good that since 1983 the Constitution no longer gives unlimited freedom to the King "to organize his House". Since then is added "taking due account to the public interest" (read: the Government has a finger in the porridge).

Marengo 10-26-2016 05:02 PM

She has kind words for Juliana though. And of course the 'sect' was only there for a few years while Bernhards philandering, corruption and heaven knows what else lasted for almost 7 decades. Apparently he 'groped' or sexually molested a 16 y/o girl in the palace, after which young ladies were always escorted by staff members to prevent it from happening again. It was a great tragedy that she was stuck with that man for so long. It is my belief that he was the very worst thing that happened to the house of Orange in the 20th century. The monarchy survived despite of him, not becaus eof him.

Indeed lots of juicy details in the book, so all newspapers picked something else to write about. It was known that Bernhard did not see Juliana much for the last years of their lives. Jutta Chorus stated in her book about Beatrix why. Itw as not known that he actually forbade his wife to visit him and that Princess Irene had a hard time convincing him to visit her death bed (he did, a day before she died).

But what a treat, the first proper biography of Queen Juliana. I am very much looking forward to reading it. The author stated it was fortunate that she was not allowed access to the royal archives (both queen Beatrix as a few years later King Willem-Alexander refused it). But due to the media attention lots of (children of) friends approached her with old letters and stories.

Marengo 10-27-2016 06:54 AM

The articles on Juliana and Bernhard have been trending in the newspapers for several days now. A new one from the Volkskrant with the title: 'Bernhard was an unsrupulous, stingy, egocentric man. What remains of Bernhards reputation?'

https://www.volkskrant.nl/opinie/-ber...-man~a4402910/

They interview the usual suspects, Pieter Broertjes & Jan Tromp, who published the last interview with the prince after he died. Dorine Hermans and -of course Gerard Aalders.

Hermans claims that Bernhards sons-in-law preferred to visit Soestdijk when Bernhard was not around. She also notes that there was no public attention for his 100th birthday in 2011.

Jan Bank seems rather sensible that we have to wait for a definate conclusion about Bernhard untill a biography has been made. Gerard Aalders unsurprisingly has the most acid view.

maria-olivia 10-27-2016 07:58 AM

I may understand that Prince Claus did not want to see Prince Bernhard that much
He had to cancel most of his Offcial Duities. Could it be the beginning od is Depressions ?


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