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Alexandria 11-06-2003 09:17 PM

Queen Juliana (1909-2004) and Prince Bernhard (1911-2004)
 
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Post pictures of the former Queen, now Princess Juliana, and her husband Prince Bernhard here.

Polfoto 05-11-2003 - Portrait of Dutch Prince Bernhard during the presentation of the Erasmus Prices in Amsterdam, 5 November 2003. The Erasmusprice is awarded annually to a person who has contributed in a sepcial way to science in the social and cultural field.

Alexandria 11-06-2003 09:17 PM

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Polfoto 05-11-2003 - Portrait of Dutch Prince Bernhard during the presentation of the Erasmus Prices in Amsterdam, 5 November 2003. The Erasmusprice is awarded annually to a person who has contributed in a sepcial way to science in the social and cultural field.

Fireweaver 11-07-2003 02:21 AM

Princess Juliana hasn't been seen in quite a while. I know she was said to be suffering from something similar to althizemers, but, have there been any updates as to her health?

George II 11-24-2003 03:28 AM

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[FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial]Queen Juliana has not been seeing in public since 1999, and since then there are no new pictures of the fromer Queen. I do have some old pictures of Juliana and Bernhard:

Alexandria 01-07-2004 02:07 PM

Happy anniversary to Princess Juliana and Prince Bernhard. 67 years! What do you give a couple who are celebrating that many years together?!

Alexandria 01-07-2004 09:52 PM

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From the Benelux Royals Message board:

Lia 01-07-2004 10:05 PM

Happy Anniversary to them :flower: :flower: may they have more happy years together :heart: :heart:

Alexandria 01-10-2004 10:13 PM

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Time cover: 09-06-1948 of Queen Juliana.

Alexandria 01-10-2004 10:16 PM

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Princess Juliana Louise Emma Marie Wilhelmina, who reigned as Queen of the Netherlands from 1948 to 1980.

Date Created: 1 Jan 1912

Alexandria 02-07-2004 11:52 AM

Can someone provide a quick translation or summary of Prince Bernhard's letter? Thank you.

Is he angry because of the Margarita-Edwin situation? What kind of things are being written about him in the press that would propel him to write a letter to the press in response?

The Watcher 02-07-2004 01:53 PM

Translation from Benelux Royals Messageboard:

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I consider it as my duty

On November 29th 1937 I ended up in the Amsterdam Citizen Hospital, severely wounded after a traffic accident. When my mother in law [Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands] visited me in the hospital, I told her that I wanted to sue the person who was responsible for the accident. "We don't prosecute an action", was her even firm as sufficient reaction.

Now, 66 years later, such a reaction will be less obvious. After all, in more recent time members of the Royal House have prosecuted actions, mainly in cases with a private character, and with the administrative responsibles knowledgeable about it. This with the purpose to draw lines to the aspect of what is well tolerable and what is not.

Looking back I find it regrettable that it was not possible to do the same in earlier days. In this respect I mainly think about the so-called biography from Klinkenberg, published in 1979, used as a source by many publicists under the excuse that I have never contested the book. In that time I was advisid not to prosecute actions. After all: not to react at all on stories with an incorrect drift was seen as a wise policy for the Prime Ministers of the time.

Also now when there is more clearance with regard of the ministerial responsibility, I am yet as always recitent about a course to the Judge, in spite of the fact that I am still the target of many, often rabble and unfounded imputations in publications and in the media. High trees catch much wind. Moreover I have learned to live with the limitations that my position brings along with it self.

Despite these limitations, I look back on my life with satisfaction. And still life is worth while, despite the fact that my zest for living and my physical situation often clash with each other and I am conscious that a long term planning is no longer meaningful for me.

Just because of that last reason, I consider it as my duty to do justice to the reputation of my parents and also to my own sense of honor about a number of imputations. That I am doing this on this moment, holds also connection with the stubbornly returning certainty with which insulting lies are poured out in publications about my family and myself . By publicists as Kikkert, Thomas Ross, Hans Galesloot and Philip Dröge the borders of decency have been far exceeded.

Since I do especially concentrate myself on affairs from the furtherer past, I find a course to the Judge however less applicable and moreover very time-consuming. I do not want to take the risk that I will no longer experience the verdict. It is obviously that I will limit myself till the affairs that I can substantiate and to the subjects that I do consider as hurtful and untrue.

To aspect of the so-called Hofmans Affair, I would like to bring in memory that the Commission-Beel has started an exhausting examination to this in 1956. For formal reasons the report of this Commission has yet not been made public, about that I do speak out the trust that when in the course of time the publication will come, the role of all concerned in these complicated matters will be put in the right daylight. For whose Lockheed is concerned, I want to refer to the ample report of the commission that has examined this affair.

With concern to the stories about illegitimate children, I am fed up with the eagerness with which the nonsense story about two alleged 'London sons' always come up. According to the stories I would have got these sons in the war years with a good friend, Lady Ann Orr Lewis.

Obviously here the burden of proof is turned, in that sense, that I have to prove what I haven't done. An impossible statement. Yet I have given orders to investigate all the British birth records from those years and there is nothing about children form Lady Ann Orr Lewis. Furthermore the best friend of the Lady in that period has given evidence under oath with the insurance that the Lady has never been pregnant in those years. Also the story that my wife [Princess Juliana of the Netherlands, the former Queen] would not know Lady Orr Lewis is incorrect: already in 1946 and in later years she was our family's guest during wintersports holidays.

For me one of the most bizarre imputations that helds connections with the war is a supposed involvement by treachery around the Battle of Arnhem and the so-called "Stadtholders' Letter". For the first subject concerned, I to not want to deny anyone access to a particular interesting new document. It is about an explanation under oath of a high officer who himself has played a major role in the Battle of Arnhem. For that reason I would like to refer to the available report and the documents belonging to it.

In the so-called "Stadtholders' Letter" it goes about an alleged letter of 1942, that would have been signed by me and according to some even by my wife , and in which I would have offered Hitler (according to others Himmler) to run the Netherlands on behalf of the occupiers. Confronted with this nonsense during his weekly press conference on 8 December 1978, then Prime Minister Van Agt directly referred the story to the dustbin. Also the NIOD [Netherlands Institute on War Documentation] remains to the one and the same opinion. In the beginning in 2003 again the NIOD wrote that there has nothing come to the light that rather wisest in the direction of the presence of this letter. After the publication of the the book by Aalders about Leonie Pütz, the NIOD maintains its opinion that it no facts or indications in that light have been brought on the surface that would make the existence of such a letter a possibility.

Yet the entire lynx of my integrity and personal loyalty with respect to the Netherlands and the Allies, needs it scarcely any argument how absurd also this imputation is. In April 1942 - that means: on the moment that it in the 'allied world' it has became clear that the war will end with a German defeat - I would have offered myself to become governor over the Netherlands as an extension of this German regiem? Nonsense!

About my mother [Princess Armgard of Lippe-Biesterfeld born Baroness von Sierstorpff Cramm formerly Countess Bodo von Oeynhausen] often quite common phantasies have been published, such like the story that she would have lived a loose life in her young years and the suggestion that she was a pro-Nazi. All stories about dance parties and such are inept: my mother simply cóuld not dance and was totally a-music. The fabrications about my mother's Nazi-inclinations are as much as nasty. Politics were not in her sphere of interests and the National Socialism was totally in contrary to her character. I would like to point to the fact that in September 1944 my mother has been thrown out of her residence when the SS claimed Schloss Woynowo [then: Schloss Reckenwalde]. The Colonel - Pantchoulidzew - then already had been forced employed by the German Railroads.).

The next passage from Thomas Ross' book I find utterly grieving and inadmissible:

"She remembered that she, in a rowboat under a bridge near one of the pillars, had committed love with two officers." This has been lied from A to Z. It gives an image of my mother that is, also according to everybody wh has known my mother from near, is completely untrue. Recently two good friends of my mother have specifically spoke out the opposite.

Then there yet wrongly is maintained that my mother would have had an intimate relationship with Colonel Pantchoulidzew with whom she would even have been married with. Also has been maintained that the colonel would have been my natural father and that my parents would have indicated him by testament as guardian over me and my brother. Obviously the Colonel has tickled the phantasy of many authors without being self debet to that. Let I start with the assumation that my parents have had a quite happy marriage, in which being loving and caring with each other and the children were gone around. Conjugal tensions, that undoubtedly also were there, remained invisible for my brother and me. My father was on-and-top a gentleman in language and behavior and shared strict standards with my mother. What, next to the children, did my parents share in strong extent federation was the love for equestrian sports, and with them the more greater part of their contacts with friends and acqauintances. Also the contacts with the gifted rider and equestrian sports lover Colonel Pantchoulidzew came from this forward. On 7 July 1922, he came as a friend in our residence for the first time. At the time I was 11 years old. After the death of my - for all clarity: real - father in 1934 Colonel Pantchoulidzew remained there with us he was also more and more helpful by the management of Woynowo [then: Reckenwalde], my parents' large country estate.

Also after the Second World War, Colonel Pantchoulidzew remained of large support to my mother, but their mutual proportion was characterized until the very end by a particular extent of detachment. For the Colonel, my mother remained as well to within as to the outside: "Prinzessin" and "Sie". [Formal German form of 'You']. Anyone who has known my mother is aware of the fact that she was a developed lady was with rather strict standards and at the same time a dear and sensible mother and grandmother.

And concerning Colonel Pantchoulidzew, I want to stress that he has never been maintained as a guardian over my brother and me. Totally according to family tradition, in the last predisposition of my parents the guardianship would have been laid in hands of a member of the family, namely my uncle Julius Ernst [Prince zur Lippe] and when he would no longer have been alive, my father's nephew Georg [Duke] von Sachsen-Meiningen.

Many of the authors involved with this share with each other nastily that their justification of the debited imputations is absolutely inferior. Most justifications consist no more than the referring to earlier similar publications, for which also again no public sources have been mentioned. Also the alibi of anonymity of the sources is a many seen and preventing phenomenon.

To avoid myself making the same mistake, some time ago I have asked mr M. J. D. van der Voet, former director of the Government Information Service, to do investigation to the backgrounds and maintained sources of above matters. To his reports proof material is attached, namely explanations under oath and archives sources. To give complete openness to give and to prevent that men can repeat the named imputations as ' the truth' I have decided to open the concerning report including the sources material. Together with this explanation they form an entire of which freely use can be made.

Despite my age I yet always live my life with telatively a lot of fun and that for two reasons. In 1995, when the honorary doctorate of Nijenrode University was awarded, I named myself the largest beggar of the Netherlands. There is a core of truth in this because I have alwasy begged for the benefit of the good. The success of the through me set up Prince Bernhard Nature Fund for the benefit of small-scale projects on the grounds of nature preservation, offers me yet, as always, a lot of satisfaction. The fight to favor of a healthy natural surroundings for man and animal is after all one of the most important challenges of this moment. That declares also my involvement with and efforts for the Peace Parks Foundation and African Parks.

The most important element for my satisfaction however is formed by the contacts with my many humans and family members. I see it as something preciously on the age of 92, to be spouse, father, grandfather and great-grandfather at the same time. And also that I am still in state to fight for my loved ones, for my parents and for myself.

Prince of the the Netherlands

Soestdijk Palace, February 2004

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Alexandria 02-07-2004 02:31 PM

Thank you for this translation.

Good for Prince Bernhard for addressing all these rumours and alleged truths that have been plaguing him for years and bringing them out ot the light. He seems to have held nothing back and addressed all issues head on, while providing factual evidence of why alleged stories about him could not be true or unbelievably so.

I am interested in knowing what the response to this letter and open attack/defence by Prince Bernhard will be.

The Watcher 02-07-2004 02:35 PM

Because he want to proof he was right, he asked an ex-director of the RVD Hans van der Voet to do research. So there is also a report of Hans van der Voet published.

The dutch newpaper Volkskrant has published this whole report, here is a link to it: Bernhard report. When you go to "De historische documenten", you can find the evidence (most Dutch, but also some German and English) for Bernhard letter. :flower:

hanni 06-29-2004 03:12 PM

Prince Bernhard Sr. (1911-2004)
 
I wish Prince Bernhard much health together with his family!!

are there pictures from today?? from the Prince and his family??

Roos 06-29-2004 03:38 PM

Here is a picture from the Benelux board:

https://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2004...345_1_thumb.jpg

I don't know when it was taken though.

Elinha 06-29-2004 06:01 PM

Happy Birthday to Bernhard! :flower:

Gabriella 06-29-2004 07:25 PM

Happy Birthday to Prince Bernhard. Wow, 93 years is a long time. If you think about all of the historical events that have taken place in the last 93 years, and Prince Bernhard has been around to witness most of it, it is pretty mind boggling.

HMQueenElizabethII 06-29-2004 09:53 PM

I wish Prince can live more.

sara1981 06-30-2004 12:29 AM

Happy Birthday to Prince Bernhard im hope so he would still alive maybe he would still as 100 im hope so!

Sara Boyce

Tina 06-30-2004 09:09 AM

Peter Smulders photos:

https://www.petersmulders.nl/show.php?start...pe=1&search=93e

:flower:

Luciana 06-30-2004 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Tina@Jun 30th, 2004 - 7:09 am
Peter Smulders photos:

https://www.petersmulders.nl/show.php?start...pe=1&search=93e

:flower:

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I saw the pics in P. Smulders Site, Prince Friso without Mabel, why somebody knows?

The Watcher 10-27-2004 02:19 PM

Prince Bernhard sr.: News and pictures
 
From BRMB (by E.Gerben):

COMMUNIQUE VAN DE RIJKSVOORLICHTINGSDIENST
Zijne Koninklijke Hoogheid Prins Bernhard der Nederlanden heeft sinds
zijn terugkeer uit Porto Ercole begin september klachten van
kortademigheid.
Onderzoek in het Academisch Ziekenhuis van het Universitair Medisch
Centrum te Utrecht toonde vocht aan in de borstholte. Binnenkort zal de
Prins hiervoor een poliklinische behandeling ondergaan.
De komende tijd zal de Prins zijn werkzaamheden enigszins beperken.

De Prins wordt behandeld door prof.dr. S.A. Duursma, geriater, prof.dr.
J-W.J. Lammers, longarts en de huisarts R. von Bartheld.

RVD, 27.10.04, 18.16 uur

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Translation:
His Royal Highness Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands has since his return from Porto Ercole in the beginning of September complaints of shortness of breath.
Investigation at the Acedemical Hospital of the University Medical Centre in Utrecht showed that there is fluid (?) in the lungs. The Prince will have a Policlinical treatment soon.
The upcoming time the Prince will not work that hard.
The Prince will be treated by prof.dr. S.A. Duursma, geriatrician, prof.dr. J-W.J. Lammers, lung specialist and family doctor R. von Bartheld.

RVD, 27.10.04, 18.16 uur

xxLindaxx 10-28-2004 03:42 AM

an article from expatica:

Doctors see Bernhard over breathing difficulties

27 October 2004

AMSTERDAM — Prince Bernhard, the 93-year-old husband of the late Queen Juliana, was visited by his doctors at Paleis Soestdijk on Wednesday to discuss his recent breathing difficulties, the Government Information Service (RVD) said.

The prince was given the results of medical tests and told what could be done to to alleviate his problems.

Prince Bernhard has undergone regular observation in hospital in recent weeks for shortness of breath. But he was not sick and still received visitors. Bernhard has had regular problems with his bronchial tubes.

The RVD has denied speculation that the prince's condition had suddenly deteriorated. A spokesman also said earlier this month that a 93-year-old suffering from shortness of breath is not if(flashinstalled == 2){document.write("");}else{document.write("[img][/img]");}https://rms.admeta.com/public/vtexpos...=1098945608824 https://rms.admeta.com/public/vtexpos...anner_id=12075extraordinary.

The German-born Bernhard met the then Princess Juliana in 1936 during the Winter Olympics in Garmisch Partenkirchen, Germany, and their engagement was announced seven months later. They were married on 7 January 1937.

The couple's first daughter, Queen Beatrix, took the Dutch throne when her mother abdicated in 1980. The royal couple also had three other daughters: Irene, Margriet and Christina.

Queen Juliana died on 20 March 2004 and was interred in the royal family tomb in the Nieuwe Kerk in Delft 10 days later. Despite initial concerns of poor health, Prince Bernhard was fit enough to attend the funeral.

[Copyright Expatica News 2004

royal_sophietje 11-17-2004 02:30 PM

The RVD announced today that it is not going well with the health of prince Bernhard. He has lungcancer and there were found also cancercells on other places in his body.

The prince is getting weaker and weaker, the RVD said.

xxLindaxx 11-17-2004 02:46 PM

From the RVD:

Communique van de Rijksvoorlichtingsdienst

https://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/images/spacer.gif
Zijne Koninklijke Hoogheid Prins Bernhard der Nederlanden is de afgelopen weken poliklinisch in het UMC-AZU behandeld wegens klachten van kortademigheid. De klachten werden veroorzaakt door vocht in de borstholte. Het vocht is verwijderd, waardoor de klachten verminderden. Bij onderzoek van het vocht werden cellen verkregen die kunnen wijzen op uitzaaiingen van een tumor. In 1994 is Prins Bernhard geopereerd aan een tumor van de darm en in 2000 aan een borsttumor. De Prins beperkt zich in zijn activiteiten omdat hij een vermindering van krachten ervaart.

The Watcher 11-17-2004 02:48 PM

Ow.. How terrible for him :(

royal_sophietje 11-17-2004 02:52 PM

How do you mean, not suprised??

The Watcher 11-17-2004 03:29 PM

According RTL News and NOS Journaal, the doctors can't help the prince anymore. :(

Tina 11-17-2004 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Watcher
According RTL News and NOS Journaal, the doctors can't help the prince anymore. :(

:eek: :( oh no!

Alisa 11-17-2004 04:25 PM

That's very sad news. The Prince has lived a very long and eventful life....

Gabriella 11-17-2004 05:36 PM

What sad news. You are right though Alisa, he has had a very long and full life. Hopefully when he does pass, it will be painless and peaceful. Poor Queen Beatrix, she has dealt with alot the past few years...

sara1981 11-17-2004 07:06 PM

oh poor Queen Beatrix would losses parents but my mom told me that her cousin and her Aunt have cancer but my mom's Aunt died when my mom was 7 years old of Ovarian cancer but my mom's cousin have cancer free! im sure!

i hope Prince Bernhard will feel better soon or he will weak lots! i hope HM Queen will without parents when died like HM Queen Elizabeth of Great Britain learn about losses parents her dad died in 1952 died of Cancer and now her mother the HM Queen died in March 2002 at ages 101.

Sara Boyce

irishchic5 11-17-2004 08:08 PM

I had hoped that Prince Bernhard would be able to see his daughter's Silver Jubilee celebrations. Sadly, it looks as if that will not be the case.


Hopefully, he will be free from pain.

Alexandria 11-17-2004 08:12 PM

What a difficult year it would be for the Dutch royal family if they lost Prince Bernhard now, too. Not only is it right before the Christmas holidays, but also having lost Queen Juliana earlier this year, too.

Duke of Lippe-Saalfeld 11-18-2004 08:33 AM

it is sad that everytime a few weeks before a celebration someone died in the Queen's family. Like her husband, Prince Claus died before the Queen celebrate her 65th birthday, and her mother Juliana died some weeks before Queen's Day and the 95th birthday of Juliana. And now (with next year her Silver Jubilee) her father dies

Duke of Lippe-Saalfeld 11-18-2004 08:34 AM

Prince Bernhard is the oldest royal of Europe (don't know oldest of the world for sure). If he dies, Prince Philip the Duke of Edinburgh becomes the eldest royal of Europe, and as runner-up Prince Rainier III (who is also not very healthy anymore)

Josefine 11-18-2004 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Lippe-Saalfeld
Prince Bernhard is the oldest royal of Europe (don't know oldest of the world for sure). If he dies, Prince Philip the Duke of Edinburgh becomes the eldest royal of Europe, and as runner-up Prince Rainier III (who is also not very healthy anymore)

how about princess lilian she was born 1915
or are we talking about born royal?

Duke of Lippe-Saalfeld 11-18-2004 10:07 AM

ow you mean Princess Lilian of Sweden i allmost forget her...
yes then is she the oldest royal in the world...

Duke of Lippe-Saalfeld 11-18-2004 10:09 AM

after prince bernhard offcourse

mybags 11-18-2004 11:11 AM

Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg as well. He was born in 1921. But how sad for Queen Beatrix and her sisters to lose their mother and now might soon lose their father in the same year.

Duke of Lippe-Saalfeld 11-18-2004 12:40 PM

Yes there are more older royals, but i don't know them all...

but Bernhard, it is very sad for the Netherlands to lose this man. He was very popular (because his extraordinary lifestyle and the many scandals in wich he was involved to)

The Watcher 11-29-2004 08:11 AM

From BRMB, posted by henri m.
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HRH Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands: seriously detoriating


The situation of HRH Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands (father of the Queen) is seriously detoriating.

According to a communiqué by the Rijksvoorlichtingsdienst (RVD), the Government Information Service, the Prince now not only has serious problems with his lungs, which cause difficulties with breathing.

He now also has tumors in his darms which cause serious problems. The RVD does not classify the situation as 'the Prince is dying' but the situation has clearly worsened. In the weekend a lot of family visited the 93-years old Prince and that surely had a lot to do with his detoriating health, so said the RVD. The death of Queen Juliana has had a very strong effect on the Prince. Since her death the Prince has fallen into a going-down spiral and he still has not coped with the new situation.













The Watcher 11-29-2004 10:05 AM

From BRMB, posted by henri m.
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PM: "Things are not going well at all, for the Prince"


Mr Jan-Peter Balkenende, the minister-president (PM) has confirmed that the situation of Prince Bernhard has become precarious. "It is not going well at all. This is a confirmation of what we already knew. The situation is surrounded with concern."

Last week the minister-president visited Prince Bernhard on Soestdijk Palace. He has has 'intense talks' amongst other topics also 'about life and death' so told the minister-president. According to mr Balkenende, the Prince is at home, on Soestdijk Palace. ma 29 nov 2004, 13:05




xxLindaxx 11-29-2004 10:11 AM

Bernhard's health worsens as tumour spreads

29 November 2004

AMSTERDAM — Prince Bernhard's health is gradually worsening due to the spread of a malignant tumour, the Government Information Service RVD announced on Monday. But the RVD also said the 93-year-old Dutch prince is not terminally ill.

The RVD said Bernhard is suffering from shortness of breath. He has fluid in his chest cavity due to the spread of an inoperable tumour and has also been diagnosed with an intestinal tumour, which is causing serious complaints.

Besides family, Prince Bernhard — the husband of the late Queen Juliana who died on 20 March 2004 — is receiving few other visitors at his home in Soestdijk Palace. The prince's condition is said to be serious and he if(flashinstalled == 2){document.write(" ");}else{document.write("[img]../banners/rad60D5E.gif[/img]");}https://rms.admeta.com/public/vtexpos...=1101737381371 https://rms.admeta.com/public/vtexpos...anner_id=13789received a large number of family visitors over the weekend.

It was revealed in October that Prince Bernhard was experiencing breathing difficulties and was undergoing regular observation at the UMC hospital in Utrecht. Doctors later removed the fluid, but this only gave temporary relief.

Bernhard — who underwent an operation in 1994 for an intestinal tumour and again in 2000 for a chest cavity growth — decided in November to restrict his official activities as a result of his current health problems.

The German-born Bernhard met the then Princess Juliana in 1936 during the Winter Olympics in Garmisch Partenkirchen, Germany, and their engagement was announced seven months later. They were married on 7 January 1937.

The couple's first daughter, Queen Beatrix, took the Dutch throne when her mother abdicated in 1980. The royal couple also had three other daughters: Irene, Margriet and Christina.

Upon her death in March of this year, Queen Juliana, 94, was interred in the royal family tomb in the Nieuwe Kerk in Delft. Despite initial concerns about his health, Prince Bernhard was fit enough to attend the funeral.

[Copyright Expatica News 2004]

Alexandria 11-29-2004 10:21 AM

Thank you for the updates everyone.

This is very sad news. What a sad loss for the Dutch royal family to lose both parents and grandparents in the same year.

This holiday season would've been no doubt difficult for the Dutch royal family with the lack of presence by Juliana, but now with Bernhard so sick or possibly even not in attendance, too ... very sad.

xxLindaxx 11-29-2004 11:59 AM

Princess Margriet has cancelled her trip to Kenya because of her father. Today she has been visiting her father Prince Bernhard at Soestdijk Palace. His health situation is very bad.

The Watcher 11-29-2004 12:03 PM

She would go to Summit on a Mine-Free World from 29 November until 3 December.

The health of Prince Bernhard seems to be very very bad.
I am afraid, he will pass away before Christmas:(

pdas1201 11-29-2004 12:17 PM

A look at Prince Bernhard's life from Colourpress...

https://www.colourpress.com/index.cfm...reSerieNo=3601

GrandDuchess 11-29-2004 06:04 PM

Let's keep Prince Bernhard in our prayers and thoughts. I hope he doesn't have to suffer any pain from his illnesses.

The Watcher 11-30-2004 03:40 PM

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A lot of royals visited Prince Bernhard today, here are some pictures:

1. Prince Pieter-Christiaan (in uniform, because he is Major) with girlfriend.
2. Princess Marilene
3. Princess Maxima 1
4. Princess Maxima 2
5. Princess Margriet
6. Queen Beatrix
7. Queen Beatrix
8. Princess Irene

sara1981 11-30-2004 04:09 PM

Queen Beatrix not looks happy! because her father very illness im not sure about Princess Maxima?

Sara Boyce

kate14 11-30-2004 06:06 PM

Thanks for the links, The Watcher!

Difficult times!

Ennyllorac 11-30-2004 07:39 PM

It is very sad.... Here is to hoping that when the time comes he goes peacefully and surrounded by those he loves.

Alexandria 11-30-2004 07:49 PM

I hope this is not too insensitive a question to ask, and I don't mean to jump the gun but it does seem apparent that these are unfortunately Prince Bernhard's last days, what kind of funeral will be arranged for him? As the widow of a monarch (and the father of the present monarch) will he be treated to all the "bells and whistles" of a royal funeral or does he have a personal request for a less grand funeral service? (Or a white funeral like his wife?)

Ennyllorac 11-30-2004 07:52 PM

I am imagining that if he had requests that those would be followed and hopefully he would be interred alongside his wife.

The Watcher 12-01-2004 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ennyllorac
I am imagining that if he had requests that those would be followed and hopefully he would be interred alongside his wife.

Yes indeed. The funeral will look like the funerals of Claus and Juliana. I don't think it will be a white funeral. Probably it will be a funeral with much pomposity, Bernhard loves that. And I think also that there will be a lot millitary, because Bernhard has been very important for the army.

xxLindaxx 12-01-2004 03:11 PM

Prince Bernhard has been transported to the Utrecht Academic Medical Centre...

The Watcher 12-01-2004 03:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xxLindaxx
Prince Bernhard has been transported to the Utrecht Academic Medical Centre...

I saw it on NOS Journaal. His health is now really bad :( I hope he has no pain.

Today visited Princess Irene, Princess Margriet and Prince Willem-Alexander their (grand)father.

irishchic5 12-01-2004 04:13 PM

They are reporting on the Benelux Board that Bernhard has died. It is not confirmed yet though. :(

royal_sophietje 12-01-2004 04:31 PM

Prince berhnard is dead. Special broadcastings on Dutch TV now

Tina 12-02-2004 03:29 AM

https://www.telegraaf.nl/bernhard/

https://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuw...eden_329a1.xml

Cathérine Bergeyck 12-02-2004 03:50 PM

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some pictures from Bernard's life

Cathérine Bergeyck 12-02-2004 03:52 PM

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some more.....

Mandy 12-02-2004 05:03 PM

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Some APL pictures of Prince Bernhard's life.

Lyonnaise 12-03-2004 03:37 AM

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from Polfoto and Gettyimages

Lyonnaise 12-03-2004 03:39 AM

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photos continued

Josefine 12-11-2004 06:08 AM

what great photos i love the older once
is there more of them when newly wed how old was he when he married Juliana

Alexandria 12-11-2004 05:56 PM

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Two formal pictures of Bernhard Sr. I have found from Yahoo News photos.

xxLindaxx 03-29-2005 10:12 AM

Prince Bernhard's yacht is for sail:
https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...ollandyachting

xxPatrickxx 03-29-2005 11:00 AM

I think that is his old Yacht..

xxLindaxx 03-29-2005 04:50 PM

Yes you're right. This one is the Jumbo V. The ship in Porto Ercole is the Jumbo VI.

Squidgy 08-17-2005 05:32 PM

It was announced today that the Queen has given permission for historian Cees Fasseur to have access to the personal written archives of Juliana & Bernhard.

https://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/content.jsp?objectid=9309

Fasseur is writing a book about the conflict that took place within the Palace from 1948 to 1957. It was during this period that Juliana developed a close relationship with the faith healer Greet Hofmans. Juliana had hoped that Ms. Hofmans could heal her daughter Christina's eye ailment. Stories were leaked to the press that Ms. Hofmans had become a Rasputin-like figure and the palace was divided into two camps: those who supported Juliana and those who supported Bernhard and his wish to have Ms. Hofmans break ties with the RF. The affair caused a crisis within the royal couple's marriage and also within the Monarchy (rumours of abdication and divorce were discussed by the press).

More on Greet Hofmans at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greet_Hofmans

Also the RF's official website has a little blurb on Greet https://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/english...?objectid=6079

Marengo 11-03-2005 06:05 AM

on the Benelux royals MB I read that 5 glasses of Juliana were auctioned at Christies and raised 4560 euros!

Marengo 01-25-2006 10:00 AM

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...na_220x300.jpg

From my photobucket (thanks for the advice you gave a while ago Alexandria): my favourite picture of Juliana. Sadly not to big and with all the other things around it. I remember getting this paper on a sunday, the day after she died, and being amazed how one picture could say so many words (in the bigger version the sparkle in the eyes is noticable) about a person. The headline says simply: 'Goodbye sweet Juliana', which struck me as rather nice.

Alexandria 01-25-2006 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo
From my photobucket (thanks for the advice you gave a while ago Alexandria): my favourite picture of Juliana. Sadly not to big and with all the other things around it. I remember getting this paper on a sunday, the day after she died, and being amazed how one picture could say so many words (in the bigger version the sparkle in the eyes is noticable) about a person. The headline says simply: 'Goodbye sweet Juliana', which struck me as rather nice.

This is indeed a wonderful picture of Juliana Marengo!

I have not been following the Dutch royals for very long (less than 8 years) and am only starting to learn much about them, but I have loved all the wonderful anecdotes about how unpretentious and down to earth Queen Juliana could be.

Around the time of her passing, there were many wonderful stories shared about how personable the Queen was, such as how one time she showed up for a royal engagement and commented on how wherever she went there always seemed to be the smell of freshly painted walls much to her bemusement, or how she liked to just "pop in" for tea with Dutch residents.

I think the Dutch were very fortunate to have such a special Queen.

Marengo 01-25-2006 05:49 PM

We were very fortunate with Juliana indeed! For the dutch, Juliana almost couldn't do anything wrong from the day she was born untill the day she died. She has always been the publics darling, especially because she seemed 'one of us' (which she could mix with so much glamour that would put Maxima in the shadows). Anyway, here a lovely picture (from my photobucket!) of Juliana, Bernhard and their two eldest daughters, probably taken in Canada during the war, apparently they love polishing furniture in over there in Ottawa :P.

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...U963305INP.jpg

btw, the flight from The Netherlands to England was quite eventfull. The Crownprincess, her 2 daughters and her husband were transported in a money-van of th dutch bank, to the harbour. Juliana was sitting on her knees, with 2 big boxes containing the family jewels, while Berhard and his companions were armed and got into a fight with a german airplane.

Warren 01-26-2006 01:44 AM

Glitter!
 
Here's a couple of pics, courtesy of the Corbis vaults.

(UK) Coronation Ball 1937

https://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...d/1024daa5.jpg

Enthronement 1948

https://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...d/0d24c957.jpg

Marengo 01-26-2006 06:03 AM

Thanks Warren! Juliana certainly knew how to play with her jewelrybox(es). A shame we never see the peacock rubies anymore these days (Juliana is wearing the necklace on the 2nd picture). Notice as well that on the 2nd picture, her enthronement, she is wearing red, white and blue :).
Now, here the entire group:

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...entjuliana.jpg

Marengo 01-26-2006 07:02 AM

And from my photobucket (but originally from www.hetgeheugenvannederland.nl), a nice poem about the engagement of Princess Juliana and Prince Carl of Sweden!!!

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...chtJuliana.jpg

Tosca 01-26-2006 12:20 PM

Queen Juliana was very popular in Italy too. Once I saw a picture of her washing her laundry while she was spending the summmer holidays at Argentario (TuscanY)

Maxie 01-26-2006 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Marengo
And from my photobucket (but originally from www.hetgeheugenvannederland.nl), a nice poem about the engagement of Princess Juliana and Prince Carl of Sweden!!!

That's a great poem, Marengo! Thanks for posting it, I really enjoyed it. :)

Marengo 01-27-2006 06:08 AM

It is rather funny, considering she never got engaged to the chap (when the negocciations failed the dutch ambassador to London, who had to arrange the thing, was taken ill to bed for two weeks). In Holland people were however akmost certain about the engagement, photographs were placed in shopwindows, songs like these were made and small books/articles were written about Carl (who is the brother of Crownprincess Martha of Norway and Queen Astrid of the Belgians). The funny thing about the song is that it already is wrning Juliana, not to let the guy slip, which was exactly what she did. Note that the song affectionally refers to 'Juliaantje' as if they were referring to family, I remember my grandmother usually calling her that way as well.

I believe Wilhelmina blamed it on a danish/norwegian/greek conspiracy, headed by Queen Maud of Norway. At other times the belgian King and Queen were suspected, because they wanted the younger brother of the King Prince Karel) to marry Juliana.
In reality Carl didn't care much for Juliana and Juliana didn't care the least for him (she found him to childish, and even according to the dutch ambassador in Sweden, the swedish princes were only interested in cars, parties and women) but for Peter of Greece, who was unsuitable as his great-grandfather owned a casino in Monte Carlo. The dutch ambassador to London later even admitted that Juliana went out of her ways to behave aloof and haughty to the swedish Prince. I wonder if she later on regretted on her decission...

Marengo 01-27-2006 06:16 AM

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Queen Juliana was very popular in Italy too. Once I saw a picture of her washing her laundry while she was spending the summmer holidays at Argentario (TuscanY)

Tanks for your reply Tosca, I believe there was a concert held for Juliana in Porto Ercole last year. Organised by an italian princess and attended by Princess Christina (who sung there as well) and Juliana Guillermo. Juliana usually had fun in doing ordinairy household things (though I must say she didn't do it that often), a 'joy' she discovered when she lived in Ottawa.

Queen Beatrix has a house in Tavernelle, Tuscany, but I don't know if Juliana ever visited the place (usually the family went to the matriarch (and patriarch) in Porto Ercole.

Marengo 01-27-2006 06:31 AM

I can not praise the site www.hetgeheugenvannederland.nl enough, for I have found my favourite Juliana picture there!!!

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...n/Juliana1.jpg

Marengo 01-27-2006 06:34 AM

Here a picture from the same site, Julina received a watch and 3 of her daughters & her husband are admiring it:

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5.../watch1959.jpg

Marengo 01-27-2006 04:01 PM

Now three more pictures from www.hetgeheugenvannederland.nl:

The first picture shows Princess Juliana holding her youngest daughter Marijke and surrounded by her mother, Queen Wilhelmina and her 3 other daughters.

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...gchristgeb.jpg

During the second worldwar pictures of the RF were made and dropped out of Allied airplanes, to raise the spirits in the Netherlands. This picture shows Juliana, Bernhard and their 3 eldest daughters in Ottawa:

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...uliana1943.jpg


This one shows the arrival of the small princesses at airport Teuge, in 1945, after the war. A journalist tried to put a microphone under the nose of Princess Beatrix, who replied ' I don't like those things' (Ik hou niet van die dingen).

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5.../arrivalRF.jpg

Squidgy 01-27-2006 04:39 PM

Wonderful pictures Marengo! The Royal Dutch National Library has digitised some great high quality pics of the RF. I spent days last summer just going through some of them - I must admit I have a weakness for pics of the four princesses while growing up! Thanks for posting these pics!

Marengo 01-27-2006 05:20 PM

Thanks Squidgy, I have to confess the same weakness and addiction (for the moment as I am enjoying my photobucket).

Here a picture from Corbis of Queen Juliana surrounded by Crownprince Olav of Norway, Eleonor Roosevelt (such a wonderful woman & a personal friend of Juliana), Crownprincess Martha of Norway and a gentleman whose name I do not know.

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...arten/1944.gif

Warren 01-28-2006 01:50 AM

No tiara, but...
 
Another lovely pic from the dusty Corbis vaults showing a very regal Juliana; sans tiara, but furred, fanned, sashed and bejewelled.

Queen Juliana

https://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...d/e38f7b53.jpg

Marengo 01-28-2006 09:26 AM

And with a nice haircut to I must add! She certainly had her glamorous moments! I wish they still used fans like that, it seems so theatrical!

Marengo 01-28-2006 10:30 AM

From Corbis:

Juliana (the girl) ice skating in 1917:

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...n/HU027461.jpg


Juliana and Bernhard having fun in Porto Ercole:

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...n/U1600530.jpg

Maxie 01-28-2006 09:09 PM

I'm so glad you discovered photobucket, Marengo! These pictures are priceless! Juliana was such a warm and lovely queen!!! And thanks for telling us about the history with Juliana and prince Carl. I really love to learn about these things, because I don't know much about the pas history of our royal family, though I'm highly interested in it. Maybe I should go and see if the library of my university has some books about them. :)

Marengo 01-28-2006 09:12 PM

You should definately get the biography by Prof. Fasseur about Wilhelmina, it is excellent! The search for a husband for both Wilhelmina and especially for Juliana was so difficult and hilarious (for today's reader). And Wilhelmina of course was an exceptional woman...

Maxie 01-28-2006 09:19 PM

Thanks for the tip, Marengo! I will surely get that one and read it. I just did a little search in the search option of the library of the university (Don't you just love the internet?) and they got three things of Fasseur on Wilhelmina: 'Wilhelmina: krijgshaftig in een vormeloze jas' (interesting title ;)), 'Wilhelmina: de jonge koningin' (inspired by one of my favourite movies, Sissi, die junge Kaiserin? :D) and 'Wilhelmina: sterker door strijd.' Which one of these is it, or is it just three volumes?

Marengo 01-28-2006 09:25 PM

Well, here is a shocker: It's all three of them...
The first, Wilhelmina, de jonge koningin is around 600 pages, and stops after WWI, the second volume 'krijgshaftig in een vormeloze jas' is the rest of her life, also around 600 pages. The other book is much smaller and contains anecdotes/information Fasseur didn't mention in the first two books. Fasseur writes very well, though the biography is highly political, which can be boring at times (How Wilhelmina treats her ministers is fun to read btw, she wasn't to be trifled with).

Maxie 01-28-2006 09:43 PM

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Well, here is a shocker: It's all three of them...
The first, Wilhelmina, de jonge koningin is around 600 pages, and stops after WWI, the second volume 'krijgshaftig in een vormeloze jas' is the rest of her life, also around 600 pages. The other book is much smaller and contains anecdotes/information Fasseur didn't mention in the first two books. Fasseur writes very well, though the biography is highly political, which can be boring at times (How Wilhelmina treats her ministers is fun to read btw, she wasn't to be trifled with).

Hmmm, oh well. I read much more than 1200 pages in my whole life course (I'm a real 'boekenwurm' as it is called in Dutch, I read a lot of books and that's not even close to what I still have to read... :)). So, I think I'll take the challenge some day in the near future. I let you know when I finished it, okay? ;) Let's say, reading about royals will keep me from wandering in the streets without a purpose... and that's a good thing, isn't it? :)

Marengo 01-28-2006 09:56 PM

Well, a good walk can be very healthy ;) But the wandering without purpose probably leads to shops & more shops, which is rather damaging for your bankaccounts.

Before we get to much OT, here a picture of Juliana and her mother (note how straight her back is, even Queen Mary couldn't beat that one ;)) Wilhelmina had the habit of talking very loud through the microphone, as if she had to reacht he inhabitants of the Dutch Indies with her own voice.

source: Corbis

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...U389819INP.jpg

Caption:
Queen Wilhelmina with Speech in Hand by Princess Juliana
Original caption: Amsterdam, Holland: Holland's Queen Speaks To Subjects In The Indies. Photo shows her highness, Queen Wilhelmina of Holland, and her daughter, the Princess Juliana speaking from the radio station here. The talk was broadcast over a wave length strong enough to carry to the waiting subjects in the Dutch East and West Indies

Maxie 01-28-2006 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Marengo
Well, a good walk can be very healthy ;) But the wandering without purpose probably leads to shops & more shops, which is rather damaging for your bankaccounts.

Tell me about it, I'm experiencing some really rough financial times at the moment... ;) That's why it's a good thing that I can get the book about Wilhelmina at the library... for free! :rolleyes:

Marengo 01-28-2006 10:18 PM

Well, who doesn't, it has been sales ;) I have the history library of the AMsterdaam University to provide me books, so I will soon ask for the autobiography of Duchess Victoria-Luise of Brunswick (grandmother of Queen Sofia of Spain).

Two more pics of the war years,

Pics: Corbis

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...U892178INP.jpg

Dutch Royal Family Exiting Their Palace
Original caption: The Hague, Holland: Holland's Rulers Will "Do Their Duty" A photo made at the Hague, recently, showing the Dutch Royal family receiving acclamation of their subjects as they leave the Palace. L-R, Queen Wilhemina, Crown Prince Consort Bernhard with his daughter Princess Beatrix and Crown Princess Juliana. In an official announcement, this morning, following Germany's land and air invasion of the Netherlands, Queen Wilhemina stated, "I and my country will do our duty."

https://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5...U976349INP.jpg

Royal Dutch Family Posing Outdoors
Original caption: Ottawa, Canada: The Royal Family Of The Netherlands. The latest picture of the Netherlands Royal family, posed outside their home near Ottawa. August 31st will mark the 63rd birthday of her majesty, Queen Wilhelmina. From left to right are: Prince Bernhard, consort of the Crown Princess, holding their youngest daughter Princess Margriet Francisca; Princess Irene; Crown Princess Juliana; Queen Wilhelmina and Princess Beatrix, eldest of the daughters.

Alexandria 01-29-2006 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo
And from my photobucket (but originally from www.hetgeheugenvannederland.nl), a nice poem about the engagement of Princess Juliana and Prince Carl of Sweden!!!

I wonder if anyone could translate the poem or provide a gist of what the poem says? I'm curious to know what the back story about Juliana being paired with Carl of Sweden is -- was that a popular love match in the eyes of both countries like Nikolas of Greece and Victoria of Sweden?


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