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Elspeth 06-22-2006 03:51 PM

Charlene Wittstock Current Events 4 : June 2006 - Aug.2006
 
Welcome to part 4 of the thread to discuss Charlene Wittstock, Prince Albert's girlfriend.

Please remember that insults, gossip, and speculation are not allowed.

Part 3 is here:

https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...-3-a-9887.html

Ghislaine 06-22-2006 03:59 PM

The interview can be read here:
https://www.lepoint.fr/societe/document.html?did=180237
and the introduction here:
https://www.lepoint.fr/societe/document.html?did=180236
Both in french...

The quote about CW:

Quote:

La jolie personne [NDLR : la nageuse australienne Charlene Wittstock] qui vous accompagnait au dernier Grand Prix de formule 1, avez-vous des intentions à son endroit ?
Si j'en avais, vous le sauriez sûrement.
I'd translate it as:
Q: the pretty lady that accompagnied to the last GP, do you have intentions with regard to her?
PA: If I had, you'd be sure to know.

Which can be taken both ways. a) there's nothing b) sarcastically.
Throw a dice....

G.

pinklady1991 06-22-2006 05:51 PM

I dunno...I just can't reconcile anything right now. The mainstream press is apparently getting caught up in these rumors but when the news about Jazmin broke, the Palace denied any wedding rumors, or was I just imagining that?????? Why the change of heart now????? I also believe that she is no longer in Monaco or there would have been other sightings of her...am I right???? Didn't we all go down this path with Alicia about three years ago and then she suddenly disappeared?????

creativemind 06-22-2006 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinklady1991
Didn't we all go down this path with Alicia about three years ago and then she suddenly disappeared?????

...and hasn't been seen since! Yikes! :p

Poisonivy 06-22-2006 06:13 PM

Monseigneur, les entretiens que vous accordez se finissent toujours par la même question...
PA: Ah oui, je devine : Allez-vous vous marier ? Eh bien, je vais vous répondre. Je ne m'imagine pas seul trop longtemps, j'aurai une famille, je suis sûr que je trouverai un jour...

Monsignor, the discussions which you grant always finish by the same question...
PA: Ah yes, I guess: Are you going to get married? Oh well, I am going to answer you. I do not imagine myself alone too much longer, I'm going to have a family, I am sure that one day I'll find...
--> the right person to marry? :D Doesn't sound as if he has found this person already... ;) but who knows...

Lillia 06-22-2006 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poisonivy
Monseigneur, les entretiens que vous accordez se finissent toujours par la même question...
PA: Ah oui, je devine : Allez-vous vous marier ? Eh bien, je vais vous répondre. Je ne m'imagine pas seul trop longtemps, j'aurai une famille, je suis sûr que je trouverai un jour...

Monsignor, the discussions which you grant always finish by the same question...
PA: Ah yes, I guess: Are you going to get married? Oh well, I am going to answer you. I do not imagine myself alone too much longer, I'm going to have a family, I am sure that one day I'll find...
--> the right person to marry? :D Doesn't sound as if he has found this person already... ;) but who knows...

Albert is good at baiting the press and keeping them jumping around.

I'll say one thing, I'd be surprised if he marries this girl. Even though the olympic thing was her accomplishment, I'd be surprised (not shocked though), if he was planning to marry her.

I mean, what else does she bring there? Anything?

Ghislaine 06-22-2006 06:24 PM

Albert has been saying for years that he will marry. In every interview he gave in the past year. And before that. If it was Rainier who was keeping him from marrying, surely Albert would have been engaged by now?

But I have to admit that his persistent assurance that he will marry has me puzzled. Maybe he's just extremely optimistic? :)

Lillia 06-22-2006 06:33 PM

Possibly. I think it's just not the way things are done for a Prince to say publically that he has no interest in marriage, whatever the reason. Now that he is the Monarch himself, he has to keep people positively interested in the principality and keeping the hope for a royal wedding is one way to do it.

that's not to say that he is not interested in marrying at all, but why should he be? He does not need to bother with it

Ghislaine 06-22-2006 06:51 PM

Quote:

that's not to say that he is not interested in marrying at all, but why should he be? He does not need to bother with it
Awww, that's not fair. I wish him to be happy, to have a lovely and caring wife and for them both to love each other very much.
Aside from the gay rumours and the fact that one can be a very happy single.

norwegianne 06-22-2006 07:15 PM

I think that anything written can be interpreted in many ways. Unless we were there, or saw the interviews on television, we have no way of knowing if Albert was serious, or if he was sarcastic - that's one of the problems with the written word.

leahteresa 06-22-2006 09:49 PM

If Albert came out and said he was NEVER going to marry, he would have a much harder time with the ladies. He's got GREAT and I mean GREAT game with the whole "I need to produce and heir you might be it" line. What man would ever let that go....

julianneneville 06-22-2006 10:03 PM

I really see no evidence that PA is marriage adverse. From past articles and interviews, it just seems that he has had a lot of bad luck with women. I think he is perhaps more of a romantic than we give him credit for. And it must be very difficult for him to find someone real that is suitable and loves him. Personally, I hope that he finds his Camilla and not his Diana.

Lillia 06-22-2006 10:16 PM

I agree, he probably can sweep a woman off her feet. He's a Prince and he's handsome and he's a billionaire, so why would he not be able to charm just about anyone!

I think he's had trouble becuase of the type of woman he continues to pick on his own -- he could easily choose different type of person. He has lots of people around him who could find a 'suitable' mate and not someone who tends to be starry eyed, grasping and desperate, or married, or not educated with limited goals. After all, if he can send his guys out to pick up some woman in a crowd then he could just as easily ask his people to find someone with a little class too.

pinklady1991 06-22-2006 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lillia
I agree, he probably can sweep a woman off her feet. He's a Prince and he's handsome and he's a billionaire, so why would he not be able to charm just about anyone!

I think he's had trouble becuase of the type of woman he continues to pick on his own -- he could easily choose different type of person. He has lots of people around him who could find a 'suitable' mate and not someone who tends to be starry eyed, grasping and desperate, or married, or not educated with limited goals. After all, if he can send his guys out to pick up some woman in a crowd then he could just as easily ask his people to find someone with a little class too.

I agree with you Lillia, but perhaps there is a little bit of insecurity underlying all of his choices. Albert has often said that fairly or unfairly any wife of his would be compared to his mother. Perhaps deep down he feels he is not worthy of someone who fits the generally accepted idea of what a princess should be (i.e, his mother) or he feels that it would be unfair to find someone suitable but who would never be able to attain the romanticized ideal his mother became so why put someone through that? So maybe he decided to pick someone so far off base that she won't be compared to anyone but herself (although with the current crop of amazing princesses, I don't see that happening either). JMO.

Neat2912 06-23-2006 04:17 PM

I guess at the prince says-he'll let you know. But I'm bewildered that he displayed so much affection, interest, respect (except for the Olympic fiasco). I just really thought/think she is his choice. And actually, she just might be his soul mate. People don't really know what he really needs/wants. He's done a lot of parading women for show,etc. I would bet this woman fits into his scheme/view, his down to earth person.

And perhaps 6 months or so is just too eager beaverish, to make an announcement. If she's not the one I'd bet he couldn't come any closer to what he/himself/his personality needs or wants. Signed a great big IMO

Lunagirl 06-23-2006 05:53 PM

Oh Prince Albert, you like to keep us guessing, don't you?

leahteresa 06-23-2006 11:05 PM

Do not forget it takes a quality person to attract a quality person. However, if PA is baiting the press with no intention of marriage then he may just pick and choose women whom he is likely to have a good time with then move on.

The thing that gets me about interviews in French is that much can be lost in translation, especially tone and intent.

Lillia 06-26-2006 06:55 PM

Well, if I were being asked the same questions again and again over the years by the press, I would have a canned answer ready to give them too, just so they could make what they want of it and go on to something else:)

I could imagine he finds it tiresome

Zora 06-26-2006 08:07 PM

I have read the Point de Vue interview and I must say that I am perplexed by it. While French is my first language, I don't have the tone or intent. From a strictly semantical point of view ;) PA doesn't sound like someone who is about to announce an engagement or even a formal companion (I know about CW being refered to as his official companion). Then again, he certainly doesn't have to disclose any details of his personal life and/or wedding plans. It is still very interesting to wait and see what happens.

leahteresa 06-26-2006 08:35 PM

Thanks for you viewpoint as a french speaker. I try to be sensive to the loss that can occur. I also picked up that the "official companion" might have been something in someone in the palace refered to her as, not necessarily "official title" stuff.

IMO....CW is on the way out....the Maldives pics were in very poor taste and her remarks to the press not so smart. Just my specuation, I have no proof but I cannot image him marrying someone who's public image has to salvaged after the nuptuals rather than the other way around.

Lillia 06-26-2006 09:57 PM

Well, if Charlene W is on the way out (and no one knows this but PA and CW, I would not know, that's for sure!), then she is after all, a grown-up. Her father did say in his interview that she was not clinging to PA. I would hope she has been at least thinking on herself enough to try to make the most of the introductions Albert gave her in terms of fashioning some kind of future for herself after the Olympics (if she participates). Maybe she can try to be a sports anchorperson on TV or something? Or maybe an expert speaker for Olympic activities or something. Better than just partying along with PA and then being a former, former...:)


Who knows:confused: :confused:, I sure don't :p :)

pinklady1991 06-26-2006 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lillia
Well, if Charlene W is on the way out (and no one knows this but PA and CW, I would not know, that's for sure!), then she is after all, a grown-up. Her father did say in his interview that she was not clinging to PA.

Well, we all thought she was on the way out in April when the safari never materialized and when we saw Albert with Annabelle Bond...then she turned up in Monaco for apparently 2 weeks. He seems to take her out from time to time when it suits him. It's not quite what I would brand how one would treat a "long time girlfriend" as the press keeps saying she is. :mad: And four months is not what I would call a "long term" relationship. But then again, that depends on your point of view. :rolleyes:

Part of me believes that Charlene is no longer living in South Africa but rather in Albert's apartment in Paris; however, I can't figure out how the press hasn't picked up on this. My other thought is that her father's "clinging" quote is actually Charlene (or her PR person) speaking to the press about the relationship through her father. He looks like an independent agent/family spokesperson but in reality he is Charlene's mouthpiece. I also think her family is the source of the engagement rumor leak to the press especially about the ring shopping b/c when Charlene showed up at the Grand Prix, the Palace did deny that there were marriage plans (I did read that, didn't I? Can someone confirm this??). :confused: :confused:

Lillia 06-27-2006 12:03 AM

Makes sense to me. I agree with the part about her father being her 'mouthpiece', although he cannot certainly climb into her head and presume to speak for her about PA to anybody (presumptuous,imo).:cool:

And yes, I think it's just one of those 'things' that they have going at the moment.

They're just partying around; they're adults and they can do that.:p

I would be surprised if anything more came of that and personally, I would not want to be known in public as being someone's 'mistress' no matter who it was:eek:

I'm sure the press or whoever it was came up with that term could have come up with something nicer than 'companion' :D

(or maybe not:p )

lynda 06-27-2006 09:28 AM

I do not believe CW is residing in Paris because she is such a busy body and there would have been some sort of tabloid news or pictures of her prancing about. So I think she is back in SA somewhere sorting out her future goals.

I read the article regarding her father’s comment where he suggested she should give PA some space and not be too clingy. But that was in one of those SA tabloid articles and you can not always be sure if he even made the comment.

Things seem to be calm at the moment but there are still a few events where she might be PA’s escort. There is the Red Cross Ball and the Jazz Festival and we might see her at these events. However; IMO, I do not feel there is a wedding in the near future according to PA’s latest interview. Even though he was very vague, he never stated he was marrying or getting engaged to her. He just replied that he still envision marriage and having a family one day. He never said it would be with CW.
We will just have to wait and see if anything comes out of this relationship. :)

miraglia1983 06-27-2006 09:40 AM

Could it just be his way of not getting involved in that type of conversation? He is so secretive in regards to his personal life that he just might surprise all of us with an announcement. What I do believe is that Charlene was at Cartier's buying the earrings she wore to the Auto Club gala. I saw a necklace in a magazine that looked just like the earrings. She must be hiding somewhere for the paparrazzi not to have found her recently. She is probably a hot comodity to the press. Maybe, while she is being groomed to be a Grimaldi princess, she is being kept away from the public eye and will do a comeback with a bang all groomed and ready for her new role in life.

lynda 06-27-2006 10:09 AM

It is a possibility, but we just do not know. I do agree PA is very private, but in the interview he said something on the lines of if he was contemplating marriage people would know. (Not his exact words) So IMO if he was getting prepared for something as spectacular as a wedding or engagement announcement he would have said so. As far as the jewelry is concerned, purchased from Cartier’s’, please share the article.

I have nothing against CW, if she is PA’s choice; I wish them life long happiness. :)

libra65 06-27-2006 10:23 AM

Personally, I don't think she is in Paris, SA, or MC. If the palace wanted to groom her and keep her out of sight, wouldnt Roc Agel be a perfect place for her? Still close to PA to see him and very private so she isn't flaunted. Just my random thoughts.

wittykitty 06-27-2006 11:26 AM

But there must be staff around why would she be left there on her own? :( it's would be easy for a maid to let it slip to a member of the press if Charlene is at Roc Agel and I doubt she's cooking or cleaning, doing her own wash!?
Wittykitty

libra65 06-27-2006 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wittykitty
But there must be staff around why would she be left there on her own? :( it's would be easy for a maid to let it slip to a member of the press if Charlene is at Roc Agel and I doubt she's cooking or cleaning, doing her own wash!?
Wittykitty

There would definitely be staff up there (also someone to teacher French, etiquette, protocol). I was thinking that the members of the princely family have always had a gret deal of privacy there so the staff there probably shows a great deal of discretion to protect that. Do you think I am giving them too much credit? Oh well, IF IF IF IF. Again, all we can do is speculate.

Ghislaine 06-27-2006 01:51 PM

According to a tabloid programme on TV, Albert is at this moment holding an important press conference. They speculated that it was to announce his engagement to CW.
And I'm here, trying desperately to find out what it's all about. The proverbial the suspense is killing me. No kidding.

libra65 06-27-2006 01:57 PM

Now I'm intrigued. I would have thought PA would be in Germany for the France/Spain World Cup match later today. Please please please keep us updated Ghislaine because now the suspense is killing me.

libra65 06-27-2006 02:04 PM

Just googled news on PA. Apprarently he is launching a foundation for protection of the environment. I am sure that will appear in the thread for his current events. It is good news but not near as exciting/interesting. Oh well.

Ghislaine 06-27-2006 03:30 PM

Gee, that took at least 15 years of my life...
After having watched a news broadcast and several teletext services (all of them blatently and extremely devoid of any Monegasque news items) I think the "important press conference" might indeed have been the new environmental foundation one. Two in one day might be a bit too much. Which goes to show that the tabloid programme isn't exactly live either.
My sincere apologies for posting this false information.
Several royal forums have chosen this exact time to go down, news about Monaco has a nasty habit of not making it to the media here (one of the main reasons I'm hanging out here) and the internet didn't have have big headlines about shocking things being said in press conferences either. I was panicking through lack of information, sorry.

:o G.:o

leahteresa 06-27-2006 05:39 PM

Well, the origional engagement rumor said they were planning to marry in October, not going to happen, too close. THis alone sort of indictes it was made up.

I would be VERY suprised if CW turned up at the Red Cross ball. The pictures of them at the last "Gala" event were very telling. Yes, there were a couple where they smiled but overall she and he both looked very uncomfortable. I also remember reading someone's first hand account of the event, on another site, and he said there was LOTS of talking going on behind her back. I'm tellin ya, those pics of her with her mouth on Alberts chest in the Maldives are really really bad. Not to mention the trip was Preceeded by her comments in Torino that they were not getting married. (I believe she was asked and said they were not, that is what I remember reading). Then along comes the "official companion" label....not so good in the PR department. IMO

pinklady1991 06-27-2006 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leahteresa
Well, the origional engagement rumor said they were planning to marry in October, not going to happen, too close. THis alone sort of indictes it was made up.

I would be VERY suprised if CW turned up at the Red Cross ball. The pictures of them at the last "Gala" event were very telling. Yes, there were a couple where they smiled but overall she and he both looked very uncomfortable. I also remember reading someone's first hand account of the event, on another site, and he said there was LOTS of talking going on behind her back. I'm tellin ya, those pics of her with her mouth on Alberts chest in the Maldives are really really bad. Not to mention the trip was Preceeded by her comments in Torino that they were not getting married. (I believe she was asked and said they were not, that is what I remember reading). Then along comes the "official companion" label....not so good in the PR department. IMO

There are lots of rumors around that didn't come true but now that they are "out of the closet" as a couple so to speak, I wouldn't be surprised if she does go to the Red Cross Ball with him and then goes on to Newport. BTW, are we planning an online party for the Red Cross Ball? If so, what is the dress code?:rolleyes:

I can believe that there was a lot of gossip going on after the Grand Prix dinner gala but not there. No one would take that risk. Remember, Albert may be on the liberal side but he still is the absolute monarch. She didn't make a positive first couple of outings, that's for sure so I'm sure that the gala (and all those people saw all those photos from the Maldives and read her comments from Torino :eek:) couldn't have been all that comfortable a situation.

Having her stashed away at Roc Agel is another pretty interesting theory but that would be more like having her in prison as she wouldn't be able to get around freely and it's rather isolated. Maybe she is back in South Africa... Doesn't Albert (and most of Europe) take a couple of weeks vacation in mid to late July? :confused:

Ghislaine 06-28-2006 03:04 PM

Just for the record, it wasn't entirely a rumour. A press conference was announced (by the palais presumably) and apparently they didn't announce what said press conference was about. So everybody, or at least some people, jumped to the wrong conclusions and thought Albert was going to announce his engagement. Smart pr move by the way, at least he got a lot of attention ;)

From the Le Point interview:
Quote:

Est-ce que cela a perturbé votre vie amoureuse ? Est-ce une des raisons à cause desquelles vous n'auriez pas encore trouvé l'âme soeur ?
Non, cela tient à moi, sinon ce serait tragique. Mais il est vrai que cela a été difficile, toutes ces années, d'avoir une relation suivie avec quelqu'un, on ne veut pas exposer cette personne, lui faire vivre cette pression.
They were talking about privacy and being followed by the press.
Q: Has that disturbed your love life? Is it one of the reasons why you haven't found the love of your life yet?
Albert: No, that's my fault, otherwise it would be tragic. But it is true that it has been difficult, all those years, to have a relationship with someone, one doesn't want to expose this person [to all this, G.], to make her experience that pressure.

So what exactly is his deal with CW? The opposite of what he's saying here, IMO. I mean, look at all the attention (and criticism) she's getting on this board alone.:confused:

leahteresa 06-28-2006 03:43 PM

I sort of think if he didn't want to expose "someone" namely Charlene, to "all the pressure" he would not have taken her out in public the way he has. But then agian, he can hardly avoid it.

While I conceed that it is important not to judge people on sound bites, Charlene is who she is. She gave an interview, stepped up to the plate it seems in an attempt to take some control over the things being said about her and she did not such a good job. Everyone remembers the comments on education (or lack of) and the narrow olympic ambition. More than what she said is what she did not say. Other than teaching swimming to kids on a volunteer basis (there are reports this was her work for pay as well??) she mentioned not one word about any cause at all. She's from the poorest, most HIV ridden continent on the planet. (I could go on and on) She used this opportunity to talk about herself. Who cares? I did not read it in it's entirety because it only took a few lines to figure out she's SHALLOW. Not much there. Not much to talk about. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to swim laps. Sorry, not impressed.

She put herself out there and IMO, left everyone generally unimpresed because she's not so impressive. He has done much better and can do much better.

LauraMCS 06-28-2006 06:22 PM

I just saw on wikipedia.org that Prince Albert announced his engagement to Charlene Wittstock today and that wedding should happen later this year. I couldn't find this news on any news outlets but has anyone else heard about this?

Lillia 06-28-2006 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghislaine

They were talking about privacy and being followed by the press.
Q: Has that disturbed your love life? Is it one of the reasons why you haven't found the love of your life yet?
Albert: No, that's my fault, otherwise it would be tragic. But it is true that it has been difficult, all those years, to have a relationship with someone, one doesn't want to expose this person [to all this, G.], to make her experience that pressure.

So what exactly is his deal with CW? The opposite of what he's saying here, IMO. I mean, look at all the attention (and criticism) she's getting on this board alone.:confused:

Well, she was the one laying all over PA in Turin (the pictures are out there), nobody was making her do that. She did it all on her own. It was her own choice to behave like that, and that's why the talk and the criticism, imo.

She could have conducted herself differently, but she did not. She did it to herself, imo. People were going to talk anyway, but she gave sooo much more to go on about...

She was the one also who went telling the press that PA was her 'soul mate' -- PA didn't make her do that. She was the one who decided to give the magazine interviews. It was her family started talking to the medias about her and Albert. None of them were forced to do it, each one of them could have said 'no thank you' or 'no comment', or they could have left it at something bland, but they did not.

She put herself out there in terms of her behavior, and that's not Albert's fault. Yes, he introduced her around, he took her to a nice party and invited her a few places. But CW (and her family) has been the one doing all the talking.

PA has not really made too much comment on CW except to say that there would not be any engagement (even though the pics tell a great deal about his activities with her). ;)

She wanted the attention and she got it....

paca 06-28-2006 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LauraMCS
I just saw on wikipedia.org that Prince Albert announced his engagement to Charlene Wittstock today and that wedding should happen later this year. I couldn't find this news on any news outlets but has anyone else heard about this?

There is nothing on the palace site or on the government site. I haven't seen anything elsewhere either. Only about his new foundation for the environment.

LauraMCS 06-28-2006 07:11 PM

I know that anyone can edit but I thought I might have missed something. The only press release on www.gouv.mc today is about recycling bottle caps.

I would tend to believe an engagement of their sovereign would trump that pressing bit of information regardless of the insignificance of the potential bride-to-be. :tongue:

maryellen1539 06-28-2006 09:10 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlene_Wittstock

..."On June 28, 2006 it was announced that she will marry Prince Albert later this year."...

Here's the quote from wikipedia and the link. Have not been able to locate it anyplace else yet.

stellad 06-28-2006 10:28 PM

Just when I thought that Charlene is well and truly out of the picture another rumour surfaces. I seriously thought that all the talk about a marriage between her and Albert was just to cover the story about him admitting that Jasmine is his daughter.

Stellad

pama 06-28-2006 11:04 PM

The aritcle has been remove.Its no longer there.My blood pressure is back to normal.Somebody is playing games

maryellen1539 06-28-2006 11:41 PM

In the time it took me to translate one the article on wikipedia they were removed. I didn't know until now that anyone can add or subtract on that website.

It has now moved to my view for entertainment file.

Suonymona 06-28-2006 11:58 PM

It was removed because it was blatently not true. Wikipedia tries very hard to be accurate. I don't know if was deleted due to its mention on here, but the timing is pretty coincidental. At least it was gone before too many people saw it (and possibly believed it!).

Ann

Neat2912 06-29-2006 12:25 AM

Cool out you guys, its bound to happen. I'm just hoping its anybody, whoever makes him happy. Whoever ,the fair dame from yon heavens or from wherever, we'll live with it. Especailly if she'll make a nice step-mother!

leahteresa 06-29-2006 01:55 AM

I hardly think he's going to marry Charlene. In all honesty, she's probably not a bad person, but for the love of God Albert, If your going to give an enormous public platform to someone, please make it someone with depth of character and enough sense not to hump your leg in public...please please...

paca 06-29-2006 03:50 AM

Todays headline in Monaco matin is about the two poor little girls in Belgium, not the slightest mention of an engagement.

leahteresa 06-29-2006 03:53 AM

Yeah, I think it would probably make the front page...call me crazy....

paca 06-29-2006 07:29 AM

Here is another article about PAs wedding plans: https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/...-dpa_12067372/

teense 06-29-2006 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paca
Here is another article about PAs wedding plans: https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/...-dpa_12067372/

This is a translation of part of the article that deals with marriage:

To the question Paris magazines of "Paris match", whether he wanted to marry, Albert answered: "... even if there is not the ideal woman!" It constitutes the charm of the love that it is not "accurate science". "however I will not marry myself under the pressure of the media."

Warren 06-29-2006 09:04 AM

We could probably posts links and quote stories about Albert's alleged nuptials from virtually every European tabloid, magazine and gossip website.
Until we have news from more credible sources than these, how about we give this endless speculation a rest.

thanks,
Warren
Royal Forums moderator

Irish ladybug 07-04-2006 03:49 PM

Here, here . Until we see a ring with a bling on the left hand all options are open.:)

Poisonivy 07-11-2006 12:07 PM

From the latest issue of You.

https://www.youmagsa.com/articledispl...Category_id=40

Charlene Wittstock at Vodacom Durban July

...Royal-in-waiting Charlene Wittstock took time out of her hectic schedule to attend the event. The leggy blonde swimmer, who’s dating Monaco’s Prince Albert, was spotted having a whale of a time. Pity Albert didn’t tag along – maybe next time. "

The Durban July is South Africa's equivalent of Britain's Royal Ascot with superb horse racing, high fashion, elegance, fine cuisine and champagne. It is the one meeting of the year where knowledge of horse racing is not a requirement to have a fantastic day out.
It is an honour to attend the Vodacom Durban July, which traditionally falls on the first Saturday of each July, and chances are, you'll get high on the undiluted thrill of indulging all your hedonistic desires for just one day. The Vodacom Durban July is the one event where the script is tossed out. You walk away giddy, having joined a bizarre subculture that manifests itself only once a year. There is nothing on the continent to rival, what is known simply as the Vodacom Durban July.

BurberryBrit 07-11-2006 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Poisonivy
...Royal-in-waiting Charlene Wittstock took time out of her hectic schedule to attend the event. The leggy blonde swimmer, who’s dating Monaco’s Prince Albert, was spotted having a whale of a time. Pity Albert didn’t tag along – maybe next time. "

I wonder if they are being sarcastic when they say her hectic schedule. What does she have going on except being the girlfriend of PA? Or, are they trying to allude to her preparation for marriage (converting to Catholicism, etc).

paca 07-12-2006 08:33 AM

Todays paper has a small article about Charlene. It says that the appearance at the Grand prix has been wrongly interpreted by the media as an indication for an upcoming announcement of a marriage. Albert is quoted (with a little smile):"il faudra desormais que je tienne encore plus compte de vos interpretations..." (I will have to consider in the future even more your interpretations)

I don't think he could be more clear about his intentions then this.

BurberryBrit 07-12-2006 08:37 AM

I simply think the spectacle that is Charlene was simply a way to deflect some attention off the revelation of his daughter. Has Charlene even been seen since then?

paca 07-12-2006 08:56 AM

not around here and not around him. Only in South Africa apparently.

And I agree with you and mentioned it at the time in this thread. That does not mean though that we won't see her again, but I think all this marriage speculation can be put to rest for the moment. He said in several interviews, after we already knew about Charlene, that he hasn't found the right woman to marry yet. So maybe we should give him and it some rest ad wait until he presents us with his choice.

BurberryBrit 07-12-2006 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by paca
not around here and not around him. Only in South Africa apparently.

And I agree with you and mentioned it at the time in this thread. That does not mean though that we won't see her again, but I think all this marriage speculation can be put to rest for the moment. He said in several interviews, after we already knew about Charlene, that he hasn't found the right woman to marry yet. So maybe we should give him and it some rest ad wait until he presents us with his choice.

Wow, is that true? I wonder how she feels about him making statements like that? That's gotta hurt.

Tosca 07-12-2006 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit
Wow, is that true? I wonder how she feels about him making statements like that? That's gotta hurt.

Men! :( :mad:

Lillia 07-12-2006 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by maryellen1539
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlene_Wittstock

..."On June 28, 2006 it was announced that she will marry Prince Albert later this year."...

Here's the quote from wikipedia and the link. Have not been able to locate it anyplace else yet.

Personally, I would approach wikipedia with a BIG grain of salt.

Quite literally, anyone [I mean anyone] who has access to the internet can put comments in there and it does not matter if what they put is accurate or not. :cool:

Just a thought.;)

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit
I wonder if they are being sarcastic when they say her hectic schedule. What does she have going on except being the girlfriend of PA? Or, are they trying to allude to her preparation for marriage (converting to Catholicism, etc).

They are probably just chatting on. Or maybe her schedule has turned 'hectic' because of the fancy party invitations she has. I imagine some people would want to hang out with her because she's been on the balcony w/Caro and such. You know, 'power of association'.

I always had a little hunch that CW is willingly a part of the general PR game that Albert's people are playing, given those recent pictures that are out now. That's not to say he doesn't like her. But who knows? They both benefit, right?

He cleans his image, she gets to pal around w/royalty and boosts her image too.

I guess having no education and limited career potential is not a problem for her. CW is making the most of her interaction with PA afterall.;) :p

lynda 07-12-2006 11:49 PM

I think Charlene is a companion like it's officially stated. A companion is a person who escorts/accompany someone. She accompanied PA on several events and he invited her to spend time with him in Maldives on his birthday vacation. The title came from the palace because enquiring minds wanted to know the identity of this woman and why she was all cozy and snuggled with PA at the Olympics in Italy. The tabloids ran rampart with all types of rumors after seeing them together. So this is probably why the palace created the “Official Companion” title for CW.

PA introduced CW to PC and her family because she was his guest. I would think any good host would introduce a guest to the family if they are attending the same event. He was only acting proper by introducing CW to his official staff at the Yacht gala event because his staff were also attending the same affair.

PA and CW are both consenting adults and what was revealed to the public by nosy photographers was nothing more than two adults frolicking around. The media ran amok with the photos and posted “Monaco Princess and a Royal Wedding” stories. In addition, people started to speculate and spread rumors of CW being groomed for the next Princess of Monaco which had no merit. PA never stated CW was being prepared to be his wife. People speculated these rumors and Charlene gave interviews of how PA swept her off her feet and made her knees go weak when she was in his presence. I can understand her feeling this way. If you consider his lifestyle and compare it to hers, it is easy to imagine why she made these comments. Nevertheless, she will continue to be his “official companion” without the marriage attached. I truly believe he enjoys her company and she feels the same. So CW will probably escort PA to more events in the future.

IMO, PA has his work cut out for him being the new head of state in Monaco and at the present time, marriage is not on the top of his list. He stated, in due time he will settle down, get married and have more children with his princess bride…whomever she may be.

This is strictly my opinion. :)

AquaMarine 07-13-2006 01:04 AM

Exactly my thoughts, Lillia! I think you are very close to the truth :) There is no need to complicate the simple escort situation and look for the black cat in the dark room, esp. if it is not there :p

leahteresa 07-13-2006 02:16 AM

Yeah, Alberts' comments have to hurt. I agree they are consenting adults but if they are not getting married that pretty much means they're doing what? It's just sort of cheap. Low class of both of them. You ever heard that phrase, get a room. Well, I think they should have kept it in the bedroom. Just unnecessary, especially when you consider some of the photos' and appearances were staged.

AquaMarine 07-13-2006 08:59 AM

As to me, I cannot imagine that someone might be hurted :confused: by Charlene appearance next to PA :) I agree - low class, but it is his business and only he can be hurted by that specific public image that he created himself in the Internet and MassMedia.

teense 07-13-2006 09:36 AM

Unfortunately,Charlene encouraged speculation from the Media .Her comments in Torino about it being the perfect place for lovers..... No marriage plans---yet..... And her recent declaration that they are "soulmates"...
Her quick hiring of a publicist and granting of magazine interviews gave rise to the impression that this was a very serious relationship. A typical girlfriend/companion wouldn't have posed for Paris Match photos and done interviews......
If she acted like a normal escort/companion perhaps marriage media speculation would not have been so high....:rolleyes:

Also--I think her father's interviews (When he compares his Family to the Grimaldi's ---and also said that Charlene is accepting of Prince Albert's children) didn't help.....

paca 07-13-2006 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by teense
Unfortunately,Charlene encouraged speculation from the Media .Her comments in Torino about it being the perfect place for lovers..... No marriage plans---yet..... And her recent declaration that they are "soulmates"...
Her quick hiring of a publicist and granting of magazine interviews gave rise to the impression that this was a very serious relationship. A typical girlfriend/companion wouldn't have posed for Paris Match photos and done interviews......
If she acted like a normal escort/companion perhaps marriage media speculation would not have been so high....:rolleyes:

Also--I think her father's interviews (When he compares his Family to the Grimaldi's ---and also said that Charlene is accepting of Prince Albert's children) didn't help.....

Well, I guess she had her agenda and he had his own. Maybe she tried to force his hand, maybe there was a deal from the beginning. Who knows? But I think Alberts words and actions in recent months have been clear. He stated in several interviews that he had every intention to marry, but had not found the right person to do so. The tabloids jumped to conclusions mainly due to Charlenes actions, not due to Alberts (ok, he shouldn't have taken her to the Grand Prix, if he didn't want the speculation to continue, but as we know now a few days later he recognized Jazmin and Charlene was a good deflector). Btw in yesterdays TMC documentary for his first year of reign, his children were both mentioned, Charlene was not. The documentary was in cooperation with the press office. We are bound to see it again over the years, so apparently Charlene was not meant to be in the picture for longterm, otherwise I a sure she would have been somehow included, if she was seen as someone to promote his image.

assia 07-13-2006 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by paca
Well, I guess she had her agenda and he had his own. Maybe she tried to force his hand, maybe there was a deal from the beginning. Who knows? But I think Alberts words and actions in recent months have been clear. He stated in several interviews that he had every intention to marry, but had not found the right person to do so. The tabloids jumped to conclusions mainly due to Charlenes actions, not due to Alberts (ok, he shouldn't have taken her to the Grand Prix, if he didn't want the speculation to continue, but as we know now a few days later he recognized Jazmin and Charlene was a good deflector). Btw in yesterdays TMC documentary for his first year of reign, his children were both mentioned, Charlene was not. The documentary was in cooperation with the press office. We are bound to see it again over the years, so apparently Charlene was not meant to be in the picture for longterm, otherwise I a sure she would have been somehow included, if she was seen as someone to promote his image.

Let's wait and see the Ball de la Croix Rouge next August

pinklady1991 07-13-2006 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by paca
Well, Iguess she had her agenda and he had his own. Maybe she tried to force his hand, maybe there was a deal from the beginning. Who knows? But I think Alberts words and actions in recent months have been clear. He stated in several interviews that he had every intention to marry, but had not found the right person to do so. The tabloids jumped to conclusions mainly due to Charlenes actions, not due to Alberts (ok, he shouldn't have taken her to the Grand Prix, if he didn't want the speculation to continue, but as we know now a few days later he recognized Jazmin and Charlene was a good deflector). Btw in yesterdays TMC documentary for his first year of reign, his children were both mentioned, Charlene was not. The documentary was in cooperation with the press office. We are bound to see it again over the years, so apparently Charlene was not meant to be in the picture for longterm, otherwise I a sure she would have been somehow included, if she was seen as someone to promote his image.

The highlighted portions of paca's post illustrate that perhaps la famille Wittstock was speaking a little too quickly and freely about the relationship. I wouldn't doubt that Charlene shows up at some future event or two as an escort (get your minds out of the gutter! ;) ) and pal but that's it. She read more into the relationship than he did and I'm sure her family's positioning themselves as the South Afrcian version of the Kellys didn't help. Albert probably felt pressured by the Wittstocks' feeding the media and pulled back and resorted to his playboy ways.

leahteresa 07-13-2006 04:41 PM

Yes, I agree with all the sentiments expressed. I do however doubt Albert felt too much pressure. I think he, like so many others, recognized the danger in having "chatty" in laws. A marriage situation that is not ideal for a head of state or a celebrity. Not to mention what I will call the Diana Factor. No Prince wants a Diana. Yes, she was beautiful, did a great job with her children, was wonderful for AIDS awareness etc. (I could really go on and on) But she did NOTHING to improve Charles's standing in the world. Grace and Rainer may have had their problems but she did a much better job of handing them. Of course Rainer probably wasn't openly dating someone like Charles was Camilla, but still. Albert has to been keenly aware of the impact a woman can have especially after NC and TR. He should be super careful about turning over a good chunk of Power to just any woman. And he needs a smart, educated one, hands down.

sesa 07-13-2006 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by leahteresa
consenting adults but if they are not getting married that pretty much means they're doing what? It's just sort of cheap. Low class of both of them. You ever heard that phrase, get a room. Well, I think they should have kept it in the bedroom.

Wow! Kind of harsh. I don't know about any of you, but when I was dating, I dated men (seperatly of course) on what I call a long term basis and never married them. some I dated for a year or so, 2 others I dated for over 5 years. It just did not work out. We were good together, but not good enough to spend the rest of our lives together. We had thought of marriage, but realized it was not for us.
Maybe this is what Pr. Albert is doing?!!! I don't see why he can not date and/or have a serious relationship with someone on a long term basis w/o being judged for it. There is nothing "cheap" or "low class" about any of this.
Now if they had been all over each other, making out in public to have it captured by the press, than, yes, I would say that they were being cheap and low class.
But I think he has handled himself well. And if she has not been seen with him in a while, than he played his cards right. He probably saw her in a different light so to speak with the interviews and what not. And her family speaking to the press. He probably felt the pressure from her and her family, whether it was intentional or not, and he backed off. No harm, no foul.
But that's not to say that he won't and shouldn't ask her to accompany him to another event in the future. Unless of course, he comes across another "lady" that he might be interested in dating.

libra65 07-14-2006 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sesa
Wow! Kind of harsh. I don't know about any of you, but when I was dating, I dated men (seperatly of course) on what I call a long term basis and never married them. some I dated for a year or so, 2 others I dated for over 5 years. It just did not work out. We were good together, but not good enough to spend the rest of our lives together. We had thought of marriage, but realized it was not for us.
Maybe this is what Pr. Albert is doing?!!! I don't see why he can not date and/or have a serious relationship with someone on a long term basis w/o being judged for it. There is nothing "cheap" or "low class" about any of this.
Now if they had been all over each other, making out in public to have it captured by the press, than, yes, I would say that they were being cheap and low class.
But I think he has handled himself well. And if she has not been seen with him in a while, than he played his cards right. He probably saw her in a different light so to speak with the interviews and what not. And her family speaking to the press. He probably felt the pressure from her and her family, whether it was intentional or not, and he backed off. No harm, no foul.
But that's not to say that he won't and shouldn't ask her to accompany him to another event in the future. Unless of course, he comes across another "lady" that he might be interested in dating.

I agree totally Sesa. They are both adults & there is nothing cheap or low class about an adult relationship. Prince Rainier had his long tern affair with Gisele Pascal before Princess Grace. They were together for a long time & it didn't work. That happens. Also, I don't imagine he was at all happy with Charlene & family talking to the press. We are all keenly aware of how he likes to guard his private life. This kind of jabbering from them can not be sitting to well with him at all.

Lillia 07-14-2006 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lynda
I think Charlene is a companion like it's officially stated. A companion is a person who escorts/accompany someone. She accompanied PA on several events and he invited her to spend time with him in Maldives on his birthday vacation. The title came from the palace because enquiring minds wanted to know the identity of this woman and why she was all cozy and snuggled with PA at the Olympics in Italy. The tabloids ran rampart with all types of rumors after seeing them together. So this is probably why the palace created the “Official Companion” title for CW.

PA introduced CW to PC and her family because she was his guest. I would think any good host would introduce a guest to the family if they are attending the same event. He was only acting proper by introducing CW to his official staff at the Yacht gala event because his staff were also attending the same affair.

PA and CW are both consenting adults and what was revealed to the public by nosy photographers was nothing more than two adults frolicking around. The media ran amok with the photos and posted “Monaco Princess and a Royal Wedding” stories. In addition, people started to speculate and spread rumors of CW being groomed for the next Princess of Monaco which had no merit. PA never stated CW was being prepared to be his wife. People speculated these rumors and Charlene gave interviews of how PA swept her off her feet and made her knees go weak when she was in his presence. I can understand her feeling this way. If you consider his lifestyle and compare it to hers, it is easy to imagine why she made these comments. Nevertheless, she will continue to be his “official companion” without the marriage attached. I truly believe he enjoys her company and she feels the same. So CW will probably escort PA to more events in the future.

IMO, PA has his work cut out for him being the new head of state in Monaco and at the present time, marriage is not on the top of his list. He stated, in due time he will settle down, get married and have more children with his princess bride…whomever she may be.

This is strictly my opinion. :)

Agreed.

But was it the press that came up with that label for CW, or was it really the palace that gave her that 'tag'?

Lillia 07-14-2006 09:46 PM

Well, I guess CW is learning how to behave in public. And all those ideas about publicists for her and joint lawsuits with Albert against some magazine.

Sounds like somebody is trying to control and re-cast PA's image, and CW is knowingly/willing part of it as his escort/'lady-friend'

OK, good for her.

Embarrasing, sure probably, but if she goes along with the game and benefits at the same time, good for her. I mean, what else would she likely be doing? So she chooses to be intimate with Albert -- apparently it's opening up a few opportunities for her to meet people in the right places (at the minimum).

She could be doing alot worse for herself in terms of choosing someone to have a casual relation, even if this is just for the short-term, if you ask me.:)

leahteresa 07-14-2006 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lillia
Agreed.

But was it the press that came up with that label for CW, or was it really the palace that gave her that 'tag'?

I have not been able to find a confirmed answer to that question myself. I thougt Paca had said that she thougt someone in the palace had maybe offhandedly refered to her as an official companion. Not necessarily the. There is a difference.

I for one think she and Albert did more than part ways. (total speculation on my part) but, I suspect they may have actually had some sort of falling out. Face it, they do not look comfortable at that formal event at the Grand Prix at all. Now, they may have fallen out over events, or, it could be something personal. We will likely never know. But, the reason I think this is because he is usually pretty quite, he normally does not deny women. (Though he has denied involvement with women he is not really involved with, like....the future Queen of Spain's sister. Probably a good political move on his part. Also some other women whom he is just photograped with) But he has stated in several interviews, in reference to CW, that he is not going to marry her. Probably not a smart way to refer to your current companion publically, if your still seeing them. I think he is intentionally distancing himself.

Neat2912 07-14-2006 11:36 PM

Leahteresa...Has stated in several interviews re CW that he was not going to marry her. May I please ask where you saw the specific words or were they something vague like...I haven't found anyone type thing??

Re the pics of the two out in the public, someone suggested that since the sue case is on that everyone, including present forum would rather not get into the frey of being sued. I remember they were quickly removed from the thread here after there was overwhelming criticism.

Lillia 07-15-2006 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by leahteresa
I have not been able to find a confirmed answer to that question myself. I thougt Paca had said that she thougt someone in the palace had maybe offhandedly refered to her as an official companion. Not necessarily the. There is a difference.

Makes sense to me. So that just would again just mean she is for the moment and PA will probably have other escorts to other events. Not only her.:) :) Yes, there is a big difference too.:p

Maybe her papa jumped too soon on his comments about CW wanting to be the only one that PA would be is seeing. He should keep quiet and be happy his daughter may be one of several, but she is meeting the right people and is getting invitations to run in a social circle that she may never have gotten into without PA and those pictures, right? :rolleyes:

tbhrc 07-15-2006 06:05 AM

Please remember that this is a current-events thread. If there isn't any current news about Charlene, I suggest that people wait until some actual news turns up. There is no need to repeat the same again and again.

tbhrc
Monaco Moderator

LadyS 07-20-2006 11:17 AM

There is a small (well, tiny) article in our local newspaper (The Benoni City Times, 21 July 2006) about Charlene. It says, in brief, that her coach Graham Hill says she is taking a month's break from swimming and hasn't given up her aspirations to swim in the Olympics.

The rest of the article is the usual speculation about when she will marry Prince Albert ?? And that she is still the same nice person despite her growing fame.

Nothing too exciting.

hsh1969 07-20-2006 06:31 PM

At the Hola.com website there is a headline saying that it looks like the engagement between PA and Charlene will be announce soon, and that they have 5 reasons to prove it:confused: , (sorry I don't subscribe to the magazine if somebody is please post the entire article I'll be happy to translate):)

paca 07-20-2006 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hsh1969
At the Hola.com website there is a headline saying that it looks like the engagement between PA and Charlene will be announce soon, and that they have 5 reasons to prove it:confused: , (sorry I don't subscribe to the magazine if somebody is please post the entire article I'll be happy to translate):)

Oh dear, this lack of events during summer holidays must be getting to them. In all his recent interviews Albert has said that he hasn't found the right person yet and even went to actually deny this rumour in the local press. What else does the poor guy have to do so that people stop writing up this rubbish and rehashing false information. Wear a billboard round his neck: no I am not about to get married to Charlene, because I am having too much of a good time with other women?

hsh1969 07-20-2006 08:57 PM

That will be a fashion "statement":D

Hola it's been slow in royal news lately.

LadyMacAlpine 07-21-2006 03:03 AM

New link to Gala https://www.gala.fr/contenu_editorial...que.php?rub=10
Translation :: ALBERT & CHARLENE Monaco the Marie already! An obvious happiness, favorable stars and especially a series of indices which do not mislead… The principality, in effervescence, hopes to see the sovereign prince convoler in right weddings this autumn. By Coraline Lussac

pinklady1991 07-21-2006 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by paca
Oh dear, this lack of events during summer holidays must be getting to them. In all his recent interviews Albert has said that he hasn't found the right person yet and even went to actually deny this rumour in the local press. What else does the poor guy have to do so that people stop writing up this rubbish and rehashing false information. Wear a billboard round his neck: no I am not about to get married to Charlene, because I am having too much of a good time with other women?

I have to agree with Paca...it's slow during the summer and the editors/publishers must be looking at what issues sold particularly well and then rehashing those articles. I can't access the article either but I wonder if it's a re-run of the article that ran in Bunte and Hola last spring??? Weren't there five clues there as well including Charlene's taking French lessons and starting the process of converting to Catholicism? Sorry if this is just speculation since I can't see the article, but JMO.

lynda 07-21-2006 11:16 AM

Ladies, I agree with your comments 100%. I guess the marketing division of this tabloid is trying to push sales and there is no better way to boost sales than to start the speculation of PA and CW again. :)

Ghislaine 07-23-2006 08:27 AM

German Bild Zeitung has had a little interview with CWs father. Oh, excuse me "Albert's possible father-in-law" : https://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/leute/aktuell/2006/07/23/albert-schwiegervater/albert-schwiegervater.html

Headline: My daughter doesn't need a sovereign for her happiness.

Bild claims that CW will make an appearance at the red cross ball in August.
IMO Mr. Wittstock is kind of playing the whole thing down. He hasn't met Albert, he doesn't care who CW will marry as long as she happy, she can certainly live without the glitter and glamour and when there's need for it, Albert will surely come over to meet him. Oh, and Mr. Wittstock liked Princess Grace and has followed her life from before she married until she died.

Quote:

Weiß er denn schon, ob und wann geheiratet wird? Wittstock lächelt: „Wenn es etwas Wichtiges gibt, wird sie es mir schon rechtzeitig sagen.“
Does he know if and when the marriage will be? Wittstock smiles: "If there's something important to say, she [CW, G.] will surely tell me on time."

Sigh...what a waste of rainforest.

G.

Lunagirl 07-23-2006 07:11 PM

How amusing. Doesn't sound like a prospective father-in-law to PA.

princess olga 07-23-2006 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghislaine
German Bild Zeitung has had a little interview with CWs father. Oh, excuse me "Albert's possible father-in-law" : https://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/leute/aktuell/2006/07/23/albert-schwiegervater/albert-schwiegervater.html

Headline: My daughter doesn't need a sovereign for her happiness.

Bild claims that CW will make an appearance at the red cross ball in August.
IMO Mr. Wittstock is kind of playing the whole thing down. He hasn't met Albert, he doesn't care who CW will marry as long as she happy, she can certainly live without the glitter and glamour and when there's need for it, Albert will surely come over to meet him. Oh, and Mr. Wittstock liked Princess Grace and has followed her life from before she married until she died.



Does he know if and when the marriage will be? Wittstock smiles: "If there's something important to say, she [CW, G.] will surely tell me on time."

Sigh...what a waste of rainforest.

G.

i read it, too. Seems he's downplaying the whole thing, saying things like, "I dont' care whether Charlene marries a commoner or a prince, as long as she's happy", as if to cover his you-know-what and that of his family as well as Charlene's because they are starting to wake up and smell the coffee that a royal wedding for her is just not in the cards

Neat2912 07-24-2006 12:42 AM

I'm sorry but what is happening? This makes woman-man relations seems like such a joke or a for- the- moment thing? That was a lot of show off/show out doings on the part of the two of them. If this end thing is a fact, Question: Was she not functional, shall we say? Was His Honor in the eyes of the world distancing himself from unowho? If so he went to a lot of trouble and possibly a lot of hurt feelings (feelings of insignificance) to a few individuals. Please does everybody (desired woman) function for the edification of unowho?

Well as they say, we live and learn and life goes on, hopefully.

Suonymona 07-24-2006 01:25 AM

Why do I have the feeling that Charlene was told to cool it and that she is letting her family do the "she can do great with or without him" interviews-then when Albert finally does dump her (after the photo lawsuit is settled), she can appear to the media as the one who ended things because he wasn't right for her?

I can definitely see why we don't hear about PA's real girlriends. Anyone who would be a great support for Albert and good for Monaco would not want this much attention until it was necessary.

Ann

DuchessofCambridge 07-24-2006 02:41 PM

I can't find any interviews or comments by CW- I have heard mention of them several times on this thread and the previous one. Does anyone know the link? I am getting mixed up going through all the pages.

I don't know much about Charlene but I have to wonder about her. I like Albert in general but he's not proven himself the sort of guy you rush to get married to- it just seems like too many skeletons in his closet to come out and embarass his future wife. She must either really love him or his title. I don't know which.

They're sporty together though so that's good that they can have fun together.

Neat2912 07-24-2006 03:41 PM

Quote:"I can definitely see why we don't hear about PA's real girlfriends.

I don't understand how else a "real" anyone of importance would be seen or heard any more. Millions of people ,world -wide olympic viewers saw many, many photo shots; verbal attention from the podium speaker. Dressed up couple meeting, being introduced to English royalty,peers and dignitaries.

Big Maldives romantic pictures, big spectacular birthday celebration. Monaco celebrations. This seemed like, with one improper exception, a very proper,respectful,important relationship. The monarch was in absolute and total charge, control and orchestration, as he mostly always is. Whatever was, was how HSH wanted it, otherwise he h ad only to speak or wave his hand one way or the other. To me,that's total logic.

So here we are, he's still in charge. Whatever the speculation,etc is that's the bottom line, and really that's where the buck stops.

Ghislaine 07-24-2006 05:40 PM

Neat, you have more or less put your finger on the thing that bothers me most about Albert: his (IMO) unlogical and inconsistent behaviour. This whole CW thing is a good example of it. Her family talks. A lot. Something that's a no-no when your hanging out with a celeb/royal/prince. Still he keeps seeing her. He says he don't want to subject his girlfriend to the media. What does he do: he takes his girlfriend (mistress?/....?/something) to several public functions. Including an IOC meeting she certainly doesn't belong. He claims he's a private person but I saw a lot of public (friends, waiters) on the Maldives pics. And those pics were somewhat private-ish. (I'm trying to be nice here:) ) A lot, and I mean an awful lot, has been written about CW and Albert, where are all the lawsuits? He keeps awfully quiet on the court cases front. Suspiciously quiet. So quiet that we still haven't heard the outcome of three pending (or silently settled?) cases. And this list goes on and on.

Basically everything about CW & Albert is inconsistent. I don't have an explanation (except the decoy theory) and would love to hear those of others. Oh, and it is driving me slightly crazy. (Sorry, more crazy than I already am that is;) )

BTW, I find it suspicious that this calming interview from papa Wittstock comes soon after Albert spoke to the local newspaper about the same thing. He too, played the whole thing down. Papa Wittstock may not have met Albert but that doesn't mean they haven't talked on the phone? Or via CW or Mr. Lacoste? Both parties are basically saying the same thing a short time apart. Coordinated, coincidence? Calming things before the announcement? Albert certainly won't say that he's going to announce his engagement next month, so if he is or if he isn't, the answers are going to be the same anyway.

Hey, I'm an X-files fan: Deceive, inveigle and obfuscate....

G.

Lillia 07-24-2006 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Suonymona
Why do I have the feeling that Charlene was told to cool it and that she is letting her family do the "she can do great with or without him" interviews-then when Albert finally does dump her (after the photo lawsuit is settled), she can appear to the media as the one who ended things because he wasn't right for her?

I can definitely see why we don't hear about PA's real girlriends. Anyone who would be a great support for Albert and good for Monaco would not want this much attention until it was necessary.

Ann

My thoughts exactly. Her father was so totally into saying how lucky she was to be with PA and how she didn't care about his past affairs and she wasn't clinging to PA, but she wants to be the only one that PA would be dating.

Now his stance seems like 'oh well, she can take it or leave it, whatever she wants to do as long as she's happy.' :confused:

Good thing CW family is with her for this roller coaster ride, they can help her to manage it all. imo, CW and PA have some kind of agreement that he helps her by introducing her around in the right circles and at the same time she helps him scrub his image by escorting him around a few places and appearing in some pics with him. I also think they are in some kind of relation of sort.

For better or worse, CW made her own grown up decision when she decided to carry on with PA, nobody forced her to do anything. And nobody knows what's going on with PA and CW except PA and CW. Only time will tell on this...

but did pere Wittstock say too much too soon? I just hope CW makes the absolute most of the connections so she can make a nice place for herself no matter what PA decides to do (or not do). :)

We'll have to just wait and see...

paca 07-24-2006 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghislaine
Papa Wittstock may not have met Albert but that doesn't mean they haven't talked on the phone? Or via CW or Mr. Lacoste?

I don't think he has talked to Albert. in the interview he says he is willing to meet Albert wherever and whenever he choses. That doesn't sound to me like they ever had contact. To me it sounds like he is asking him for a duell on the field of honour. And that is what he is trying to do IMO with this whole interview. He is trying to protect his daughters (and family's) honour. He is pretty clumsy about is, but then again he doesn't have years of training to deal with the press. with the exception maybe with sports journalists, but they usually don't interest themselves in the private lives of people as tabloid journalists. He was a bit naive with them from the beginning and definitely out of his league.

Lillia 07-24-2006 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by paca
I don't think he has talked to Albert. in the interview he says he is willing to meet Albert wherever and whenever he choses. That doesn't sound to me like they ever had contact. To me it sounds like he is asking him for a duell on the field of honour. And that is what he is trying to do IMO with this whole interview. He is trying to protect his daughters (and family's) honour. He is pretty clumsy about is, but then again he doesn't have years of training to deal with the press. with the exception maybe with sports journalists, but they usually don't interest themselves in the private lives of people as tabloid journalists. He was a bit naive with them from the beginning and definitely out of his league.

Yes. imo, it was Charlene's very public behavior in Turino and pic of her in other places with Albert and then her interviews and comments that put CW and anyone who knows her that is willing to talk (her family, mainly) right square in the papprazi bullseye. I can imagine her father would not want to see Charlene hurt by the situation, although I doubt that anything like that would happen.

But I would guess just the public pressure would be enough to cow anyone.

He seems to be trying to handle the massive crush of attention the only way he knows how (I'm sure he's gotten tired of it by now too -- or maybe not). Albert would not be like anyone else she's ever been palling around with, that's for sure...

AquaMarine 07-25-2006 01:24 AM

How long we are going to beat the air?
Having a nice girl as an escort it's the matter of prestige in midst of rich people.

Suonymona 07-25-2006 04:35 AM

Not many people think Charlene is a nice girl in ANY sense of the word.

Ann

AquaMarine 07-25-2006 08:42 AM

Who said that tastes of PA and all other people must be equal? :p The main thing - Charlene suited PA' taste and it was enough for some time :)


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