When I come across a variation of a name I try to put it in brackets ( ) because it may help me when searching for records. The reason I mentioned all of this is that many of the frenchmen avoided the census and any record for thier name. I have also noticed the same thing on my mothers side for the Thompson line during the period of the revelution in the colonies which is now the USA. These are the type of things that cause me to take more ibuprofen! With out some determination I think I might give up but for some reason it seems that I love the brain pain. I am not sure how I will break through this brick wall but the answer is in my other break throughs. The greatest break through I have had yet is with my own name Chabot. In the first few months of the road block that I hit with Jean Chabot, the father of Mathurin. There were off the wall hints like a person attached as his father with a birthday of 100 years before Jeam was born. Over time though I found some logical hints.