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British Royal coronets

The Royal coronets were defined by a Royal Warrant of 19 November 1917.
- The heir-apparant shall have a coronet composed of four crosses patèe and four fleurs de lys, surmounted by a single arch with orb and Cross.
- The sons and daughters of the heir-apparant shall have a coronet composed of two strawberry leaves, two crosses patèe and four fleurs de lys.
- The sons and daughters of the Sovereign, which includes brothers and sisters of the Sovereign shall have a coronet composed of four crosses patèe and four fleurs de lys.
- The sons and daughters of sons and brothers of the Sovereign shall have a coronet composed of four strawberry leaves and four crosses patèe.
- The sons and daughters of daughters of the Sovereign with the style of Highness shall have a coronet composed of four strawberry leaves and four fleurs de lys.

From "Royal Heraldry of England", J.H. & R.V. Pinches.

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This is a very silly question, but how is a coronet different from a coat of arms?
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This is a very silly question, but how is a coronet different from a coat of arms?
A coat of Arms is a heraldic device specific to an individual eg to Queen Elizabeth II.

A coronet is a "crown" worn by a non Sovereign at a Coronation (only in UK others just have them but never wear them) they are different according to the holders degree:

Coronet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Queen Mother Memorial Statue on The Mall has a lovely rendering of Her Late Majesty's Coat of Arms.

The Royal Arms of The United Kingdom also feature on the Statue of King George VI.


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Here are a few pics of coronets

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HRH The Duchess of Gloucester

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Coat of Arms of HRH The Duchess of Gloucester (neé Birgitte van Deurs)
Assigned by Royal Warrant 18 Jul 1973
Image reconstructed from information in Boutell's Heraldry (a 1970's edn.):-
Basic Arms
Marital Arms, with Van Deurs arms 'in pretence' in centre of Duke's arms
The main reason the shield of the Coat of Arms of HRH The Duchess of Gloucester appear at the centre [or honour point] of her husband's Arms is that it was Granted directly to Her Royal Highness and was not inherited from her father. Firstly, HRH is Danish and her father was a foreign national, not of British descent, and therefore not entitled to a Grant from the College of Arms in London. Secondly, HRH's parents had long been divorced before she married the Duke. I believe HRH's maiden name of Van Deurs is in fact her mother's maiden name and that her father had little to do with her.
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The Phillips Family

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Zara en Peter Philips

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Peter, i am not sure, but it could be one of these two
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Daughters use their father's arms on a lozenge, the eldest son of an eldest son uses a label of five points, so I think it's the first one
These Coats of Arms are slightly out of date as the father of Capt Mark Phillips has since passed away.

The shield with the five-pointed label was Peter Phillips' Coat of Arms when his grandfather was still alive. However, he has taken over the three-pointed label and Capt Mark Phillips uses the Coat of Arms with no label.

As for Zara Phillips, I was assured by the College of Arms that, as originally the only female descendant of the original Grantee, namely her grandfather, then she was entitled to bear the Coat of Arms on a suitable shield for a woman [namely a Lozenge as here or an Oval] without the label. In fact, now that Peter and Autumn Phillips have a daughter, Serena, the above arms are actually hers.
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Actually, Mr and Mrs Peter Phillips' daughter's name is 'Savannah,' not 'Serena.' Miss Phillips was christened earlier in the year, and, as far as i know, no middle name/s have ever been reported to the public.
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Actually, Mr and Mrs Peter Phillips' daughter's name is 'Savannah,' not 'Serena.' Miss Phillips was christened earlier in the year, and, as far as i know, no middle name/s have ever been reported to the public.
She was christened Savannah Anne Kathleen Phillips and now has a younger sister, Isla Elizabeth, who was born sometime last year.
FYI- Ironically, Mrs. Peter Phillips and HSH Princess Grace of Monaco were born Autumn Patricia Kelly, and Grace Patricia Kelly, respectively.
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Hi, does anyone know the reason why Diana after her divorce had a royal coronet on her coat of arms?
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Is there anything on the House of Hesse family?
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Does anybody have more info about the arms of the infantes of Spain. I found 2 others also: Infanta Margarita, Duchess of Soria and Infanta Pilar, Duchess of Badajoz.
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The present Infantas of Spain do not possess any coats of arms. The coats of arms on Wikipedia and other forums were created by royalty watchers and have never been acknowledged or used by the Royal House. The King's arms are used to represent them when required.

In the State Bulletin of Spain there are grants of arms to King Juan Carlos, Prince Felipe (later King), and Princess Leonor. The State Bulletin does not show any grants of arms to other members of the Royal Family.

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But they still use the armes because they renounced the titles but they are still family.
The grand-ducal family of Luxembourg never renounced their Bourbon-Parma titles.


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A coat of Arms is a heraldic device specific to an individual eg to Queen Elizabeth II
A coat of arms is not necessarily specific to an individual. One may be granted to a family, a city, an organization, and so forth.
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In the Netherlands a personal escutcheon is assignated to all siblings:

To the four daughters of HM Queen Juliana and of HRH Prince Bernhard


To the three sons of HM Queen Beatrix and of HRH Prince Claus


To the three daughters of HM King Willem-Alexander and of HM Queen Máxima (not used at the moment)


In 1983 the succession was made gender-neutral. In 2001 the Cabinet thought the personal arms of the eldest child of Willem-Alexander should have a male shield instead of a female shield, to express that gender is not relevant here (like the Constitution speaks about The King as a generic gender-less name for the Head of State).

Therefore the Princess of Orange has this male-shaped shield (her predecessors Beatrix, Juliana and Wilhelmina were never a Princess of Orange). For so far Princess Alexia and Princess Ariane use the same escutcheon as their eldest sister, instead of the traditional oval arms above.

Maybe this will change when the Princess of Orange will give birth to a future Prince(ss) of Orange herself. Then the position of Alexia and Ariane changes: from direct heirs themselves, they become indirect heirs. Possibly they will then use the oval shaped excutcheon, like Beatrix, Irene, Margriet, Christina, Juliana and Wilhelmina.

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Hi, does anyone know the reason why Diana after her divorce had a royal coronet on her coat of arms?
At the time there was a lot of feeling about Diana and her standing within the Royal family as the mother of a future king. Because of her divorce and that of the Yorks, a regulation was made that a divorced woman, not originally a royal, would drop the HRH. (There was talk that William would restore it as and when he came to the Throne.) That apart, she still held the title Princess as officially she was Diana, Princess of Wales until she remarried and when she would have taken on her second husband's title(s).

The problem for me was, not the fact that she retained a coronet on her coat of arms, but that it was the coronet for the younger child of a sovereign and not the coronet of her ex-husband The Prince of Wales which has one arch. I was informed by the College of Arms that that should have been thought of, but simply wasn't.

The present dilemma is what coronet Camilla will have once her husband ascends the Throne and she, as we have been assured, becomes Princess Consort. Will she take the equivalent rank of her husband, although she won'tr take on the equivalent title, and have an heraldic crown anyway? Or will she be 'demoted' heraldically from the coronet of an heir to the coronet of a younger child/child-in-law, so to speak?
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it is different then it is normal done in Great Britain



This THe Duchess of Gloucester's arms on an official document
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Normally the wife of a British prince is there two arms next to each other or a combined arms with on the left the husband and on the left the wife, like this

Countess Sophie of Wessex
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Not only wives of British princes, but wives of British men generally speaking, provided that both the woman and her husband bring arms into the marriage.

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The main reason the shield of the Coat of Arms of HRH The Duchess of Gloucester appear at the centre [or honour point] of her husband's Arms is that it was Granted directly to Her Royal Highness and was not inherited from her father. Firstly, HRH is Danish and her father was a foreign national, not of British descent, and therefore not entitled to a Grant from the College of Arms in London. Secondly, HRH's parents had long been divorced before she married the Duke. I believe HRH's maiden name of Van Deurs is in fact her mother's maiden name and that her father had little to do with her.
The terminology for a smaller shield at the center is an inescutcheon or escutcheon of pretence. The honour point is found in the upper half of the shield.

Oddly enough, although the Duchess of Sussex's personal arms were likewise granted directly to her and not to her father, she impaled her arms rather than placing them on an escutcheon of pretence.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...bird-sunshine/
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