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the Japanese royal family can be traced to at least 300 AD with some certainty. Also, Confucius' family is even older (they were ennobled at some point in their history)
Much of Kangra's early history is mythical with regards to its ruling family
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09-04-2008, 02:44 AM
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I heard Japan's dynasty started in 660 b.c more than many thousands years ago.
They are the oldest reigning royal or noble family when it comes to bloodlines.
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06-23-2009, 11:23 PM
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I've read Queen Elizabeth II can trace her ancestry back to the first King of Wessex, Cerdic. I've also heard it can be traced back farther, anybody know if thats true?
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06-24-2009, 01:52 AM
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Cerdic is legendary at best. before him, one quickly enters mythology
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06-24-2009, 02:12 AM
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yes the father of the shah of Persia/Iran was a military man without formal education who made himself shah
Reza Shah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Correct Lucien, but I think we are after longest/oldest unbroken lines of descent. Persia/Iran, like China, had a series of dynasties rather than a continuous related line.
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06-24-2009, 09:29 AM
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"Lady" is not a name that one can give a person - Lady is a honorary style that comes for female members of a family of a peerage. She is styled Lady Louise as the is the daughter of an Earl, that's just how it is. And they have also chosen not to give her any additional titles, as they want to raise her as normally as possible.
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If I remember it correctly Prince Edward was disappointed that her daughter Lady Louise was not styled as Princess since she is a daughter of a prince and a grandaughter of the Queen. She was only given the title Lady since the Queen needs to limit the number of the royal family. They have a long list of princes/ss compared to other royal families. The article even stated that only the future children of the heir will be styled as HRH Prince/ss. For example Prince Charles' sons and then William's children since he will be the future King of England. Prince Edward was disappointed since his brother's daughters are styled HRH Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie.
Actually I would also be disappointed if I'm a son/daughter of the monarch and my children will be limited to nobility titles only. In the case of Zara and Peter Philips, this I know that the Princess Royal does not want her children to carry titles as these can be a burden.
If I'm royalty I would want a Princess plus a title of nobility like Princess Madeleine, Duchess of Halsinglad and Gastrikland.... 
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06-24-2009, 09:45 AM
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silly question probably but how do we know that he was dissappointed, did he tell the press or was he quoted
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06-24-2009, 09:52 AM
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...did he tell the press or was he quoted 
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He didn't and he wasn't. Chances are that the decision reflects the parents' wishes.
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The question of the Wessex titles is discussed at length in the Titles of the Wessex Children thread in the British Forums.
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06-24-2009, 02:27 PM
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The English Royal family died out in 1603.
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I always thought that the English Royal family died out in c 1125 when Edgar grandson of King Edmund II of England died. The Royal families that followed were not Anglo-Saxon.
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I always thought, the first "real" royal dynasty in europe were the Merovings in France? Anybody knows something about it?
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07-10-2009, 06:58 AM
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The Merovingians - the first Frankish dynasty,
ruled c420 to 751, when the Carolingians gained power.
See the Wiki entry for detail.
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07-10-2009, 02:14 PM
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Through my connection to King Canute The Great, King Canute's Great-grandfather Is King Gorm The Old. And Gorm the old's Son Is King Harald Bluetooth. And Harald Bluetooth's son is King Sweyn Forkbeard. I didn't Know that Canute Lineage was the Oldest royal family in Europe. That's neat.
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07-10-2009, 02:45 PM
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And the Grimaldis? they've been in Monaco for more than 700 years...
And i think Denmark is the oldest monarchy in the world.
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The Merovingians - the first Frankish dynasty,
ruled c420 to 751, when the Carolingians gained power.
See the Wiki entry for detail.
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Thank you, Warren.
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07-11-2009, 08:18 AM
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Through my connection to King Canute The Great, King Canute's Great-grandfather Is King Gorm The Old. And Gorm the old's Son Is King Harald Bluetooth. And Harald Bluetooth's son is King Sweyn Forkbeard. I didn't Know that Canute Lineage was the Oldest royal family in Europe. That's neat. 
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You must be related to Canute through his sister ? as he has no descendants.
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07-24-2009, 11:43 PM
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And the Grimaldis? they've been in Monaco for more than 700 years...
And i think Denmark is the oldest monarchy in the world.
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Monaco is one of the oldest reigning noble families not royal like some
people think their dynasty was found in 1297.and Denmark is the oldest
European royal family but not the world's that belongs to the Japense
Imperial family that was found in b.c. era while other reigning dynasties
were found in a.d. era.
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I have read that we (  ) have one of the eldest monarchys in the whole world ... (:
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09-06-2009, 06:26 PM
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isnt the moroccan royal family quite old as well?
The Hashemites of Jordan are ofcourse one of the newest monarchs but the family goes way back to Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
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The moroccan alouite royal family is the sencond oldest royal family in the world after the japenese one.
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09-06-2009, 08:20 PM
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The Moroccan monarchy can be traced back to the 700s through a series of dynasties. The current dynasty, the Alaouite, were local rulers until 1664 when the first Sultan of Morocco was proclaimed. The Alaouites claim descent from the Prophet Mohammed (as do the Hashemites) so whereas the family line may be ancient, they were not a Ruling Family and did not begin to amass power until the early 1600s.
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