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Old 06-02-2021, 07:08 AM
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I believe the Spanish monarchs still claim to be Kings/Queens of Jerusalem. If and when Spain makes its succession law gender equal, which I expect will happen assuming the Spanish monarchy survives, that "Royal House of Jerusalem" will be equal for males and females.

I am not very familiar with the topic, but isn't the strongest claim that of the House of Savoy?
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I thought the Kingdom of Jerusalem passed to the kings of Cyprus then to Naples and then claimed by the Spanish kings?
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I thought the Kingdom of Jerusalem passed to the kings of Cyprus then to Naples and then claimed by the Spanish kings?
Yes I think it was in that order.
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The Emperors of Austria also claimed the title.
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The Emperors of Austria also claimed the title.
Possibly from the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V who claimed the title?
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Old 06-03-2021, 08:48 AM
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The Savoys have a claim to Jerusalem, Cyprus and Cilician Armenia through their ancestor Anna de Lusignan, Princess of Cyprus.
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The Savoys have a claim to Jerusalem, Cyprus and Cilician Armenia through their ancestor Anna de Lusignan, Princess of Cyprus.
Anne's son Philip de Savoie married Marguerite de Bourbon their daughter Louise de Savoie was the mother of King Francois Ier of France.
Another daughter ,Charlotte de Savoie married Louis XI of France.
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Yes... If you know, in his life, Dr. Mikel Nostradamus had interacted with The Royals in his day and in his famed Quatrain's, he mentions The Royals in some cryptic ways. He mentioned about The Holy Roman Emperor (Charles V) in one of his Quatrain's, that traces the breakup of Flanders, into what is now Belgium and The Netherlands. As far as what I researched... Most of The Belgian Royal House, also are Descendants of "The Royal House of Jerusalem". How much if they can claim the right... would take some research to verify?
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https://www.abc.es/internacional/abc...7_noticia.html

Why is the King of Spain King of Jerusalem?

King Felipe VI, who has been invited to the events (commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau), plays a special role at this time to remember, linked to his status as King of Jerusalem, an honorary title that he holds as holder of the Crown of Spain. That dignity dates back to the Middle Ages, a period to which the exploration of its origin leads through genealogy, wars and a sale.

The origin of the title of King of Jerusalem dates back to the First Crusade (1095-1099). The military expedition was formed after the call of Pope Urban II, carried out, according to the historian Alain Demurger in «Crusades. History of medieval warfare "(Paidós, 2009), with two objectives: on the one hand," to help the Christians of the East, "and, on the other," to recover the tomb of Jesus Christ (the Holy Sepulcher) in Jerusalem. " In reality, greed and plunder had their place in the adventure, where Jerusalem was razed to the ground and the Frankish knights, particularly the Lorraine Geoffrey de Bouillon and his brother, Baudouin, particularly stood out, passing down to posterity. Godfrey was later appointed protector of the Holy Places, and, on his death, his brother became Baudouin I, King of Jerusalem.


«The Kingdom of Jerusalem was founded on the first crusade. Its existence is mentioned in the Bible. In the Middle Ages, a series of movements appeared that wanted to recover spaces that had something to do with Christianity. Among them was Jerusalem. Thus, the first crusades were formed, which had a huge impact throughout Europe, ”explains Esther Bendahan, Director of Culture at the Centro Sefarad-Israel. “Pope Urban II launched the first crusade, which established the Kingdom of Jerusalem, in force for some 200 years. Later, the title passed to several kings, until finally it was acquired by Naples, "she adds. Specifically, by Carlos de Anjou, who bought it from María de Antioquia in 1277.

"It is a title without a kingdom, which the Spanish Crown acquired when Ferdinand the Catholic was named King of Naples," recalls Bendahan, referring to the conquest of the Kingdom of Naples, carried out by the Great Captain in 1504. Since then, " the title has always been held by the King of Spain, and it has enormous symbolic value. We must remember that Spain has a great relationship with the Jewish world, because of the Sephardim, "she concludes.
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According to my research... there were/are issues as to who is "The King of Jerusalem" in the present day. For a time... it was claimed that Otto von Haspsburg, claimed the Descendant Title of "The King of Jerusalem" and The Royal House of Spain-Portugal, had quietly challenged it. When Otto von Haspburg died in 2011... The Symbolic Acquisition of Claim, was made by Carlos VI. of Spain and is now in the critera of Phillipe VI.
In spite the fact that Otto von Hapsburg, has A Son... the silent argument of Descendant Claim, is mixed.
According to the decree of Fulk V., King of Jerusalem... All Direct Descendants can make claim to be 'Descendant Princes of Jerusalem', but as far as the symbolic title as King... most descendants have conceded to Phillipe VI., but it could be Symbolically challenged by Peerage and DNA verification?
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According to my research... there were/are issues as to who is "The King of Jerusalem" in the present day. For a time... it was claimed that Otto von Haspsburg, claimed the Descendant Title of "The King of Jerusalem" and The Royal House of Spain-Portugal, had quietly challenged it. When Otto von Haspburg died in 2011... The Symbolic Acquisition of Claim, was made by Carlos VI. of Spain and is now in the critera of Phillipe VI.
In spite the fact that Otto von Hapsburg, has A Son... the silent argument of Descendant Claim, is mixed.
According to the decree of Fulk V., King of Jerusalem... All Direct Descendants can make claim to be 'Descendant Princes of Jerusalem', but as far as the symbolic title as King... most descendants have conceded to Phillipe VI., but it could be Symbolically challenged by Peerage and DNA verification?
There is no Spanish king Carlos VI

The courts always accepted Isabel II and her descendants as legitimate queen, and that branch is extinct. The "Carlism", returned to the main branch with Alfonso XIII, so the rest are the desire to be able to keep titles that only belong to the crown of Spain and that no one in their right mind, except for some family interests, would recognize.
King Felipe VI is the recipient as the Spanish monarch of the title of King of Jerusalem. Can others claim it? Well, there are many who claim all hahaha ... For power, they can, but Felipe VI is reconocodio as such even Israel itself, albeit an honorary degree as many others.

In the historical line of powers, there is no DNA line to claim anything, much less when most of the titles were obtained by "right of conquest"
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I would agree to a certain point... King Fulk's decree seems to validate All Claims, but realistically... the nod seems to be in Fillipes favor... :o
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