Frankish & Holy Roman Empires, Germanic States & Families, Central Europe

[Jason R Maier esq]

Originally Posted by Adelheid

Hi Jason R Maier esq, if you find something, can you please tell us about it?

Ask and you shall receive . . . .

Thurn u.Taxis

After carefully looking through the page, I noticed that next in line (at least until Albert II has male heirs) is his father's first cousin, Max Emanuel (b. 1935)

[Adelheid]

That's right Jason R Maier esq, and Max, Prinz von Thurn und Taxis *07.Sep.1935 has with his 2nd wife Christa Heinle *14.12.1941
two children:

• Hubertus Raphael, Prinz von Thurn und Taxis *22.06.1973
• Philipp Gabriel, Prinz von Thurn und Taxis *19.04.1975

[fearghas]

Are these two princes in line. I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the TuT family still want their heirs born of a Gotha mother.

[A J PACK]

Hello Everone,
I'm new to this so forgive me if I'm being irrelevant. I am trying to build a Tree of Royal & noble families of Europe & wonder whether anybody else is on the same trip. It all started when reading a book about Charles V (the Holy Roman Emporer) There was no family tree so I started to build one. So far I have close on a thousand people, mostly around the 15th & 16th Centuries. The tree ranges from William the Conqueror to our present Queen Elizabeth II and all are connected through marriages. There are Popes & Cardinals, Dukes & Duchesses all over Europe & where I can I've included portraits. No doubt there are errors & at times. things can get a bit messy when there is Illegiticy in the main line. Which was quite permitted in Elizabethan times & particulary in Italy. Popes having children etc etc - you name it !! However if this stikes anyone as interesting I would be glad to know. I am quite new to this site & not quite sure how it works so bare with me
Regards
A J P

[PrinceOfCanada]

The family trees of the various royal families are all over the web. Wikipedia would be a good place to start.

[A J PACK]

Thanks I've already used that and am still looking. However thanks for the prompt
A J P

[magnik]

Welcome

Try here:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f96/

My favourites:
An Online Gotha

GeneAll.net

Genealogy - roglo

Worldroots.com

Monarchies of Europe

[Warren]

The Anhalt website includes a very detailed genealogical chart of the House of Ascania which is worth a look (as is the rest of the site).

[bourdain]

This family is said to have reigned in 10 countries, from the lineage of Queen Victoria and King Albert. Can anyone provide details?

[Warren]

Wikipedia has a pretty good rundown of the Saxe-Coburg dynasty.

The Ducal House provided monarchs and consorts to:

Duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
(formerly the Duchy of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld until it was renamed in 1826) Reigning Dukes until 1918.
In 1893 Queen Victoria's 2nd son Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh, became the Reigning Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
On the death of Duke Alfred in 1900 the Dukedom passed to Prince Charles Edward, son of Queen Victoria's haemophiliac son Leopold, Duke of Albany. As Karl Eduard he was the last Reigning Duke of Sace-Coburg and Gotha.
Sweden: Princess Sibylla, daughter of Karl Eduard, married Crown Prince Gustav Adolf in 1932. Their son reigns today as the King of Sweden.

S-C & G connections:

Romania: Princess Marie of Edinburgh (and from 1893 of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) became Queen of Romania in 1914 as consort to King Ferdinand I. He was the son of the Prince of Hohenzollern (-Sigmaringen) and the Portuguese Saxe-Coburg Infanta Antonia.
Hesse and by Rhine: In 1894 Marie's sister Princess Victoria Melita married Ernst Ludwig, the last Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine (aka Hesse-Darmstadt). They were divorced in 1901.
Russia: The now-divorced Princess Victoria Melita married Grand Duke Kirill of Russia in 1905; he proclaimed himself Head of the Imperial House of Romanov and Curator of the Throne in 1922 and Emperor and Autocrat of all the Russias in 1924; their son Grand Duke Vladimir became Head of the Imperial House of Russia in 1938.
Prussia: In 1938 Victoria Melita and Kirill's daughter Grand Duchess Kira married Prince Louis Ferdinand; he became Prince of Prussia and Head of the Royal House of Prussia in 1951.
Schleswig-Holstein: In 1898 Princess Dorothea of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha was married (or sacrificed) to Ernst Gunther, Reigning Duke of Schleswig-Holstein. Queen Victoria referred to him as "odious Gunther" and unsurprisingly there were no children of the marriage.

United Kingdom
Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld married Prince Edward, Duke of Kent in 1818; their only child became Queen Victoria;
Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha married Queen Victoria in 1840; from 1901 to 1910 King Edward VII was the first British Saxe-Coburg monarch; George V was a Saxe-Coburg until 1917 when the House and family name was changed to Windsor (it was quickly applied retrospectively to 1910).

British connections:

Germany: Victoria and Albert's eldest daughter Victoria married Prince Friedrich of Prussia and in 1888 became German Empress and Queen of Prussia. Mother of the Kaiser.
Hesse and by Rhine: V & A's 2nd daughter Alice married Hereditary Grand Duke Ludwig and in 1877 became Grand Duchess of Hesse and by Rhine.
Sweden: Princess Margaret, daughter of Victoria and Albert's third son Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn, married in 1905 as his first wife Gustaf Adolf, Crown Prince of Sweden (later King Gustaf VI Adolf). She was the mother of Prince Gustaf Adolf (the current King of Sweden's father) and of Queen Ingrid (the current Queen of Denmark's mother).
Norway: In 1896 Princess Maud, the youngest daughter of Edward VII, Britain's first and last Saxe-Coburg King, married Prince Carl of Denmark. In 1905 he was elected King of Norway and she became a Queen.

Belgium
Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, formerly married to the tragic Princess Charlotte of Wales, only child of the Prince Regent, later King George IV of Great Britain, became the first King of the Belgians in 1831 and established a new branch of the dynasty. The House name remained Saxe-Coburg and Gotha until it was dropped during the First World War.

Belgian connections:

Austria-Mexico: Leopold I's daughter Princess Charlotte married in 1857 Archduke Maximilian of Austria. He became the short-lived and soon-executed Emperor of Mexico while she became the long-lived and quite mad Empress Carlota.
Austria: Leopold II's daughter Princess Stephanie married the ill-fated Rudolf, Crown Prince of Austria in 1881. He committed suicide with his mistress eight years later.
Bonaparte: Stephanie's younger sister Princess Clementine married Prince Victor Napoleon, Head of the Imperial House of Bonaparte in 1910.
Italy: Albert I's daughter Marie-Jose married Crown Prince Umberto in 1930 and became Italy's last Queen.
Luxembourg: Leopold III's daughter Josephine Charlotte married Hereditary Grand Duke Jean in 1953 and as his consort later became the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg.

Portugal
(the Catholic Kohary branch of the Saxe-Coburg & Gothas)
Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha married Maria II da Gloria, Queen of Portugal and the Algarves in 1836 and was created King Consort of Portugal as Fernando II in 1837; their son Pedro V became King in 1853; the dynasty reigned until 1910.

Portuguese connections:

Maria and Fernando had two daughters, the Infantas Maria Ana and Antonia:
Saxony: Maria Ana married Georg I, King of Saxony in 1859. Their daughter Maria Josepha married Archduke Otto of Austria and was the mother of Karl, the last Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary.
Hohenzollern (-Sigmaringen): Antonia married Leopold, Reigning Prince of Hohenzollern (-Sigmaringen) in 1861. Their son Ferdinand became King of Romania.

Bulgaria
Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha ("Foxy Ferdinand") was elected Prince of Bulgaria in 1887 and became Tsar (King) of the Bulgarians in 1908; the dynasty reigned until 1946. The last King, Simeon II, was elected Prime Minister of Bulgaria in 2001.

[LordMountbatten]

Queen Victoria’s marriage to Prince Albert, and the subsequent marriages of their many, highly eligible, offsprings -- is well known. But during the earlier, less well-documented period before their marriage, the most astute of the Saxe-Coburg-Saalfield (later Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) family – Leopold, Prince Albert’s uncle and subsequently King of the Belgians, and Prince Albert's mother, the Dowager Duchess Augusta – worked behind the scenes.

The Duchy of Coburg was ruled by the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family in the late nineteenth century. It was a small, impoverished German fiefdom with no political influence, and little prospect of improving its lot. But, less than fifty years later, the family's finances became healthy and they held, or were closely related to, many of the crowns of Europe. By the beginning of the twentieth century, the genes of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family ran in no fewer than thirteen royal families.

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by LordMountbatten

Queen Victoria’s marriage to Prince Albert, and the subsequent marriages of their many, highly eligible, offsprings -- is well known. But during the earlier, less well-documented period before their marriage, the most astute of the Saxe-Coburg-Saalfield (later Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) family – Leopold, Prince Albert’s uncle and subsequently King of the Belgians, and Prince Albert's mother, the Dowager Duchess Augusta – worked behind the scenes.

Prince Leopold was also Victoria's uncle.

Albert's father and Victoria's mother were brother and sister and Leopold was another brother within that same family.

[LordMountbatten]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Prince Leopold was also Victoria's uncle.

Albert's father and Victoria's mother were brother and sister and Leopold was another brother within that same family.

But the question is, was Albert really Ernst I's son? Albert's mother Louise had affaires as much as his father had. The marriage broke down immediately after Albert was born. So, even if Ernst I recognized Albert as his own son, there is a possibility that Albert wasn't his son.

[rossam]

Originally Posted by LordMountbatten

But the question is, was Albert really Ernst I's son? Albert's mother Louise had affaires as much as his father had. The marriage broke down immediately after Albert was born. So, even if Ernst I recognized Albert as his own son, there is a possibility that Albert wasn't his son.

So the royals were inbreeding since Queen Victoria's time. I really thought they started that only in the early 1900s. But, the angle on Albert's paternity is quite intriguing. For now, I'm inclined to believe that Albert isn't Ernst I's son because it makes for a good story. lol

I'll search for more stories about them. :)

[LordMountbatten]

The story on Prince Albert's paternity is really intriguing. It is rumored that he was the son of his mother's servant, a certain Friedrich Blum, others say his uncle, Leopold I of Belgium. You can read more about this in Richard Sotnick's book "The Coburg Conspiracy".

[almasy]

Does anyone have a link to (or an attachment of) a family tree for Count Lazslo Almasy (AKA "The English Patient")? My great-great-grandfather was a George Almasy who was said to have been born around/near Torokszentmiklos. His wife was Sofia. I do not believe this is the same George that was the father of Lazslo Almasy, but perhaps a cousin? Any info would be helpful!!!

Thank you!
Christina

[Dalps09]

There you go:
Almásy 1
(The line continues on a second page if you click ''here'')

[hoda]

Count Almasy has a speical place in our hearts ,the Egyptions ,the guy was so fond of the Egyption western desert.His contributions to the western desert is undeniable .As for the English patient movie ,The movie is my addiction,the music ,the novel it self is a dream to any one .

Here is some links about Almashy:

László Almásy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fliegel Jezerniczky Expeditions

[Hereditary Thane]

The ancient Celtic dynasties had a very good system of succession and inheritence. The royal and kingly succession was through the female line. Female royal dynasts though had to marry a "foreign" prince if their son was to be cosidered king. It is a wise child that knows its father. But didn't George V or George VI publicly deny Friedrich Blum was his ancestor when Zionists were proclaiming Blum to be Jewish? DNA testing is so sophisticated these days that in the near future historians may have a few surprises for us.

[David V]

The area of present-day Mecklenburg was home to West Slavic peoples who once inhabited large parts of eastern Germany, the surviving remnants of which are the Sorbs.

The Obotrites were a confederation of West Slavs around the Mecklenburg region. A prince of the Obotrites, Niklot was known for resisting conversion to Christianity. His son Pribislav would become the first prince of Mecklenburg, becoming Christianised and the family, like much of the population, gradually became Germanised. The House of Mecklenburg thus ruled the area until 1918, Niklot is not only the progenitor of the Mecklenburg line that lives on today (Mecklenburg-Strelitz) but also an ancestor of Queen Juliana of the Netherlands.

In view of its Slavic origins, the House of Mecklenburg was one of the few royal houses of direct Slavic origin existing at the start of the 20th century- the royal families of Serbia and Montenegro being others.