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Old 08-14-2016, 04:28 PM
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Im not talking about public reaction.. Im talking about whether the RF/Queen woudl allow it? And I dont see that Will would be "crucified". I would say the public would take the common sense view that it was better to break an engagement than make a bad marriage.
HM, The Queen may be the sovereign of the UK and the Commonwealth and the matriarch of the British Royal Family, but I don't think she'd ever think to "forbid" the breaking of an engagement. The last thing I'd ever attribute to the makeup of the Queen's character is that of a puppet master or playing chess with the family on a chessboard.

Personally, I'm tending to believe that the criticism and condemnation of a royal broken engagement would be far worse with the media and the public.
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Old 08-14-2016, 04:32 PM
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I think the Queen would allow it if she knew the couple had tried hard to get it together and couldn't. Princess Madeleine of Sweden broke of her engagement in part because it was revelaed her fiancé had cheated on her if I recall correctly. I'm sure in those cicunstances the Queen would not object the wedding being called off. It would also depend how far along to the wedding it was, again using Princess Madeleine as an example, i think a vague time e.g this summer, but no actual date, had been given, if the same were true in the BRF it wiuld b me big news but probably no big deal in reality.

I guess we have to remember the Queen is Head of State but also mother, grandmother and great grandmother and would rather deal with a last minute wedding cancellation than a broken marriage. Also remember Diana said she wanted to call her wedding off last minute but felt she couldn't....
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Old 08-14-2016, 04:37 PM
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Whatever the Queen's view of the matter, we would never know. However, I don't think the Queen or anyone else would have much of a choice in the matter if the engaged couple decided not to proceed with the marriage.

Apart from anything else, I'm quite sure many protocols would be broken with either the bride or groom (or indeed both of them) were dragged kicking and screaming up the aisle again their will.
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Old 08-14-2016, 04:41 PM
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Following the disaster of forces Diana and Charles to go through with the marriage both had doubts about in the weeks prior to the wedding I have no doubts that if a similar situation arose they would allow it to be cancelled or delayed. That is better than having another PR nightmare.
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Old 08-15-2016, 01:02 AM
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That's my point. I beleive that if Charles or Diana had approached the RF in 1981 and said that they wanted to break off teh engagement, there woudl have been a LOT of talk and pressure put on them, reminding them that they were engaged, that the engagement was short because they had made the commitment and that once it was announced the wedding plans had started to be activated, and they simply could not pull out. I would say that charles certainly would have given way in the face of such pressure.. Now, knowing that senior royals CAN divorce (back then it was thought that it would simply not happen), I'd say the queen would not be happy but would agree to ending the engagment
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Old 08-15-2016, 01:05 AM
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HM, The Queen may be the sovereign of the UK and the Commonwealth and the matriarch of the British Royal Family, but I don't think she'd ever think to "forbid" the breaking of an engagement. The last thing I'd ever attribute to the makeup of the Queen's character is that of a puppet master or playing chess with the family on a chessboard.

Personally, I'm tending to believe that the criticism and condemnation of a royal broken engagement would be far worse with the media and the public.
I dont think so, I think the press would enjoy the sotry, and woudl point out any problems that they had seen in the couple, but in general public reaction post C and Diana would be that it was better to break off an engagement than have a nasty divorce.
perhaps the queen isn't "enough" of a "chess player" in that I dont think she's taken much notice of her family's marital affairs, until she absolutely HAD to.. But I do beleieve, if back in the time of C and Di's engagement, she had been confronted with them saying they did' not now want to get married, she would have felt she had to say "No, you can't break this off."
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Old 10-18-2016, 10:40 PM
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On New Year's Day, 1867, King Ludwig II of Bavaria's engagement to Princess Sophie Charlotte was announced. She was a sister of Empress Elisabeth of Austria.
The royal wedding was arranged to take place on Ludwig's 22nd birthday, August 25. An official announcement early in the summer postponed the wedding until October 12. However, Ludwig II broke off the engagement a week before the wedding.
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Old 10-19-2016, 01:35 AM
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From private letters, we know Ludwig was a closet homosexual who struggled with what he was and bring Catholic. It had also become punishable with the unification of Germany, though it hadn't been in Bavaria in decades. Ludwig and Sophia had bonded over a shared love of music. He would never marry, and unfortunately questionable at best claims he was insane were later made.

Sophie had another reported gay suitor. She eventually married the duke of alencon and it us said they had a happy marriage. Though she didn't get along with her father in law, she did with her sister in law.
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Old 10-19-2016, 04:11 AM
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Princess Charlotte von Hannover, The Princess of Wales (1796-1817), the only child of King George IV was engaged to the Prince of Orange (later King Willem II of the Netherlands, Grand-Duke of Luxembourg).

From December 1813 until May 1814 Princess Charlotte and Prince Willem were engaged but this engagement was -completely out of the blue- broken by the Princess. On May 2nd 1816 Princess Charlotte married Prince Leopold von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha (later King Leopold I of the Belgians).

The Prince of Orange found another partner befitting his status: Anna Paulovna Romanova, Grand-Duchess of Russia, daughter of Tsar Paul I of Russia and sister of Tsar Alexander I (the great Nemesis of Napoleon) and of Tsar Nicolas I. Willem and Anna married on February 21nd 1816.
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Old 10-19-2016, 11:13 AM
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Also the Prince Gustav of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg with Elvire Paste de Rochefort. I don't know the reason.
i read that 2 families didn't agree on money settlement...Paste de Rochefort family was not happy with what Elvire would get in case of divorce and asked for "big money" in case of divorce.

Needless to say that the family is already rich enough.

Elvire Paste de Rochefort is second cousin of Princess Sibilla of Luxembourg and I think godmother of her son, Prince Leopold.
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Old 10-19-2016, 11:16 AM
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I read somewhere that Q.Margrethe's father Frederik was engaged to Princess Olga of Greece, but this engagement was broken off...anyone know if that is true?
Yes, he broke off the engagement because she "left him cold" and she was much relieved because he was "very much prone to alcohol".
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Old 10-19-2016, 11:27 AM
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There's another from a long time ago - the first Grand Duchess named Alexandra, Alexandra Pavlovna (granddaughter of Catherine the Great). She was about to marry a Prince of Sweden, but the prince didn't arrive at the church (IIRC). The grand duchess was so shamed, needless to say, and few months after, she died not because of a broken heart but with a broken heart from that event.
Oughhh, the scheduled wedding with Prince of Sweden was in 1796 and Alexandra died 5 years later(not few months after) in 1801 as Archduchess of Austria-Hungary.

It was Empress Catherine the Great who died few months after this intended wedding.
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Old 10-22-2016, 09:00 PM
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I love these stories! Why is that? It's the reverse of being a romantic, it seems to me (though I am definitely a romantic - wouldn't be on this site otherwise ) Must be we have all had our hearts broken, if only it was in Kindergarten.
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Old 10-23-2016, 11:59 AM
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This news will break your heart again . The cancelled Engagement of King Ludwig II of Bayern wirg Princess Sophie of Baviera, Empress Sissi's Sister !
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Old 10-23-2016, 12:27 PM
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Cyril already mentioned Ludwig a few posts up the page, post 70. Worked out at least for her, as her future marriage was said to have been quite happy.
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When the Court Circular, on January 28. 1895, announced the engagement of Prince Alfred, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to Duchess Elsa of Wurttemberg, it stated: The Duchess Elsa attains her 19th year on March 1 next.
On paper, the match between Alfred and Elsa seemed lovely. However the wedding was cancelled.
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Old 11-07-2018, 07:00 PM
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Princess Irene of the Netherlands is supposed to have been at the Spanish Court to talk about her daughter Maria Carolina as a perspective bride for Prince Felipe.
That's new to me. Interesting move if true as both fathers were competing for the same throne; so it would be a bit like the Georgian wedding/marriage - that didn't work out that well but did produce a heir.

I do, however, think that Carolina would have made an excellent queen!
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Old 11-07-2018, 07:03 PM
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Yes, I am aware of these dates. There was never a wedding date announced- is anyone aware of any other arrangements completed during the eight months of engagement?
If I remember correctly, the initial idea was for a fall wedding (so a few months after Victoria and Daniel). So, I assume the court was working on it somewhat - most effort would have gone into Victoria and Daniel's wedding. After their wedding was over, the plan surely was to focus completely on Madeleine and Jonas' wedding... but at that point it was no longer necessary.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:29 AM
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If I remember correctly, the initial idea was for a fall wedding (so a few months after Victoria and Daniel). So, I assume the court was working on it somewhat - most effort would have gone into Victoria and Daniel's wedding. After their wedding was over, the plan surely was to focus completely on Madeleine and Jonas' wedding... but at that point it was no longer necessary.
The Head of the Royal Press Office, Nina Eldh, said at the time of the engagement that no date was set, but that the wedding would take place after both Crown Princess Victoria's wedding and the national election in September so a late fall or winter wedding seems to have been planned.
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