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Old 04-08-2021, 10:12 AM
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Eh...Hamzah tried to push his weight around and here is the result. He won't be executed or anything. But I'm not surprised he's under "house arrest." Jordan is not the Western world and he won't be treated as if it it were. He failed at whatever it was he was trying to attempt ,and now he is facing the consequences. I'm sorry for his family, but not that much for him. He knew what Abdullah might do, unless he was raised under a rock. If he didn't like what was going on in Jordan he should have gone to live with his mother in the UK. Not start a poor attempt at some kind of coup from the same Royal Compound that almost the whole family, Including Abdullah, lives in.
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:31 AM
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Perhaps he hoped to imrpove matters for the people of Jordan. HIs going away to live abroad would not do much for them...
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:36 AM
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Perhaps he hoped to imrpove matters for the people of Jordan. HIs going away to live abroad would not do much for them...
I completely understand that. And as a Westerner, great!

As for Hamzah? No. An idea executed in particularly stupid fashion. And now he 's paying the price. And that's if I accept that he started this for the good of the Jordanian people and not for a bruised ego that never recovered from being demoted from the position of Crown Prince. Which, quite frankly could be just as valid a reason for all this mess.
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:45 AM
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I think it's been somewhat established at this point that there likely wasn’t any attempted coup and this is an excuse about or to cover up something else. The fact that Hamzah is not being allowed to openly and publicly repent is speaking volumes.
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Old 04-08-2021, 11:03 AM
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I think it's been somewhat established at this point that there likely wasn’t any attempted coup and this is an excuse about or to cover up something else. The fact that Hamzah is not being allowed to openly and publicly repent is speaking volumes.

I don't agree that there is proof that there was no coup. But it doesn't matter. Hamzah fraternized with people that are against the non-democratic government of which his brother is the King , for either the good of the Jordanian people or his own ego, or both. He did this from within the Royal Compound where he and his brother live, and has now been metaphorically spanked and put in time-out. He can leave when he's freed, stay and keep his mouth shut, or keep it up and get punished, perhaps more harshly if there's a next time.
Does it suck to our Western sensibilities? Yes. But again, this isn't the West and Jordan is NOT a democratic country.
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Old 04-08-2021, 11:22 AM
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Right, well you can keep claiming Hamzah's an idiot for trying [something] against an authoritarian government, when we don't even know what the [something] is, or that there's any proof that he's to blame or to what extent, versus the government just saying that he is. I'm not inclined to take their non-transparent word for it.
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Old 04-08-2021, 12:41 PM
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Right, well you can keep claiming Hamzah's an idiot for trying [something] against an authoritarian government, when we don't even know what the [something] is, or that there's any proof that he's to blame or to what extent, versus the government just saying that he is. I'm not inclined to take their non-transparent word for it.

And that's your right. I disagree that there's no proof. So that's that, I guess.
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