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Old 04-08-2021, 04:53 AM
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Queen Noor?
Hamzah in his first record to BBC said he sent recordings and proves to his family and friends aboard,so i guess we will have more leaks
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Old 04-08-2021, 06:28 AM
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After the royal court published the statement signed by Prince Hamzah and people were reassured that the problem was on its way to being resolved within the family, an audio recording of the prince's discussion with the Army chief of staff was leaked. أPrince Hamzah`s very sharp words to the chief of staff increased the publicís sympathy for him, and people began to ask publicly on social media, "Where is Prince Hamzah?"
Even yesterday after the king`s letter was released another recording was leaked (Probably recorded on Saturday) in which Prince Hamzah said:


I wonder who is leaking these recordings & why? I think that the government is somewhat correct in its claim that there are outside parties involved in what is happening now.
And that's the problem. Too many interests in Jordan from the outside, US, Israel and US like always. Let's hope Abdallah manages to calm it down for the stability of the region not only for his own sake.
I doubt Hamza understands the whole thing, if he did was has been reported (playing a big role in it), it was a very risky thing.
Seems as if Abdallah was a very good choice.
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Old 04-08-2021, 06:43 AM
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And that's the problem. Too many interests in Jordan from the outside, US, Israel and US like always. Let's hope Abdallah manages to calm it down for the stability of the region not only for his own sake.
I doubt Hamza understands the whole thing, if he did was has been reported (playing a big role in it), it was a very risky thing.
Seems as if Abdallah was a very good choice.
Neither the US nor Israel has the faintest interest in destabilizing Jordan and both publicly backed the king several days ago.

Seems as if Abdullah is keeping his brother prisoner on false, ill-specified charges and refusing to let people discuss the matter.
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Old 04-08-2021, 06:53 AM
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Hamzah in his first record to BBC said he sent recordings and proves to his family and friends aboard, so i guess we will have more leaks
Maybe someone else. In his press conference, the Minister of Foreign Affairs stated that Prince Hamzah was in full contact and coordination with Basem Awadallah regarding his movements. I am surprised by this link TBH. Awadallah is a hated figure in Jordan, he has always been blamed by the public for privatization policies adopted by the government in the years prior to the Arab Spring. He was very close to King Abdullah II and served for some time as his office manager and later as the Head of the Royal Court. The last position he held was the king's special envoy to Saudi Arabia. However, he later managed to be very close to the Saudi CP Mohammed Bin Salman too and became an advisor to him. In addition to his connection to the Saudi Crown Prince, Awadallah obtained Saudi citizenship and worked for several institutions in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and the UAE, where he holds the position of CEO to a company named "Tamouh".

My point is: If Prince Hamza is really seeking reform as he claimed, why he linked himself to Mr. Awadallah?
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:12 AM
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Eh...Hamzah tried to push his weight around and here is the result. He won't be executed or anything. But I'm not surprised he's under "house arrest." Jordan is not the Western world and he won't be treated as if it it were. He failed at whatever it was he was trying to attempt ,and now he is facing the consequences. I'm sorry for his family, but not that much for him. He knew what Abdullah might do, unless he was raised under a rock. If he didn't like what was going on in Jordan he should have gone to live with his mother in the UK. Not start a poor attempt at some kind of coup from the same Royal Compound that almost the whole family, Including Abdullah, lives in.
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:31 AM
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Perhaps he hoped to imrpove matters for the people of Jordan. HIs going away to live abroad would not do much for them...
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:36 AM
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Perhaps he hoped to imrpove matters for the people of Jordan. HIs going away to live abroad would not do much for them...
I completely understand that. And as a Westerner, great!

As for Hamzah? No. An idea executed in particularly stupid fashion. And now he 's paying the price. And that's if I accept that he started this for the good of the Jordanian people and not for a bruised ego that never recovered from being demoted from the position of Crown Prince. Which, quite frankly could be just as valid a reason for all this mess.
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I think it's been somewhat established at this point that there likely wasn’t any attempted coup and this is an excuse about or to cover up something else. The fact that Hamzah is not being allowed to openly and publicly repent is speaking volumes.
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Old 04-08-2021, 11:03 AM
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I think it's been somewhat established at this point that there likely wasn’t any attempted coup and this is an excuse about or to cover up something else. The fact that Hamzah is not being allowed to openly and publicly repent is speaking volumes.

I don't agree that there is proof that there was no coup. But it doesn't matter. Hamzah fraternized with people that are against the non-democratic government of which his brother is the King , for either the good of the Jordanian people or his own ego, or both. He did this from within the Royal Compound where he and his brother live, and has now been metaphorically spanked and put in time-out. He can leave when he's freed, stay and keep his mouth shut, or keep it up and get punished, perhaps more harshly if there's a next time.
Does it suck to our Western sensibilities? Yes. But again, this isn't the West and Jordan is NOT a democratic country.
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Right, well you can keep claiming Hamzah's an idiot for trying [something] against an authoritarian government, when we don't even know what the [something] is, or that there's any proof that he's to blame or to what extent, versus the government just saying that he is. I'm not inclined to take their non-transparent word for it.
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Old 04-08-2021, 12:41 PM
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Right, well you can keep claiming Hamzah's an idiot for trying [something] against an authoritarian government, when we don't even know what the [something] is, or that there's any proof that he's to blame or to what extent, versus the government just saying that he is. I'm not inclined to take their non-transparent word for it.

And that's your right. I disagree that there's no proof. So that's that, I guess.
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Old 04-15-2021, 09:23 AM
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OMG did you see what Queen Noor has retweeted...i guess things aren't back to normal.
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Old 04-15-2021, 09:47 AM
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OMG did you see what Queen Noor has retweeted...i guess things aren't back to normal.


No what has she retweeted then ?
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Old 04-15-2021, 09:53 AM
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I assume this is what is meant

https://twitter.com/QueenNoor/status...45828255416323

"There’s much more evidence of the monarch’s poor governance than a foreign conspiracy against him"

it may look bad but it is just a quote from the article Noor is sharing rather than her own words

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/13...biggest-enemy/
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She's tweeted a few things over the past couple of days that are less than mild and undoubtedly relevant. I'm sure she's well aware of what she's doing.
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