Savoy and Savoy-Aosta: Restoration, Succession, Heirs and Conflicts 1: Ending 2022


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Cory said:
The Italian royalists should be more united if they want to have a real influence in the country.

Guess they don't want to have an influence then.
 
The most powerful royalist organisation, UMI, is quite active but not all the royalists support it.
 
The royalists? There are very few of them left...
 
They do not represent the majority of the population but we can't say they are very few.
 
Do you think the Italian Monarchy will ever be restored

Will Italy ever restore its Royal Family
 
Not as long as Vittorio Emmanuel or whatever his name is who claims to be the Head of the House of Savoy is still around.
 
Neither claimants have particularly distingushed themselves.
 
You're referring to VE and his cousin, correct? I don't know anything about the cousin, but Emmanuel Filiberto's dad seems to be always fighting with others about his right to be the next to rule Italy.
 
Why would they do that? A waste of money and anachronistic.
 
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Well presidencies don't exactly come cheap. In fact more than a few European presidents, even the ceremonial ones, cost more than most royal families.
Then you have to consider their pensions and life long security costs for them, their successors and their predecessors.
 
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Cost/benefit analysis required. In recent years with S.Berlusconi as PM, the President has been "invisible" in the UK press. It seems a reasonable job, a 7 year term and then a member of the Senate for life, so I assume payment of some kind for life and possibly other benefits. Plus support costs for staff?? Security??
 
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Wel presidencies don't exactly come cheap. Im fact more than a few European presidents, even the ceremonial ones, cost more than most royal families.
Quite so. In fact, the maintenance of the President of France costs more than the combined costs of maintaining the Royal Families of, say, Britain, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and the Netherlands.
 
Quite so. In fact, the maintenance of the President of France costs more than the combined costs of maintaining the Royal Families of, say, Britain, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and the Netherlands.

And there is a Prime Minister as well.

Back to the question of restoration of the Italian Monarchy. Is there any data on how popular a move that would be?
 
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Right now? With Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia as the main claimant to the Headship of the House? Not a chance.
 
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You're referring to VE and his cousin, correct? I don't know anything about the cousin, but Emmanuel Filiberto's dad seems to be always fighting with others about his right to be the next to rule Italy.

The cousins literally came to blows with VE punching Amedeo twice at the Spanish royal wedding pre-wedding dinner in 2004. :sad: That is why you see his son going to royal weddings now, VE is kinda banned. VE also has faced accusations of murder, criminal association, corruption, and exploitation of prostitution. :ohmy: Emanuele Filiberto doing reality tv gig after gig does not help either. :lol:

Aimone as a regional director of Pirelli, and married to a Greek princess, is the best hope and eventual heir one way or the other since EF has no sons. If EF and VE did own their renunciations and not back out of them and backed Aimone as did Amedeo do to his age then you might have a chance with Aimone.
 
Didn't the current PM resign recently? I did hear about one of VE's sister's husbands being murdered. That must be one of the accusations against Vittorio. I think Italy has enough problems politically to even think of an exiled prince becoming King again.
 
I did hear about one of VE's sister's husbands being murdered. That must be one of the accusations against Vittorio.
The husband of Princess Maria Beatrice, Luis Reyna Corvalan y Dillon, was indeed murdered in his home in Cuernavaca, Mexico, in 1999; but Vittorio Emanuele has nothing to do with his murder. Vittorio Emanuele has many faults, included one murder, but he isn't at all responsible of his brother-in-law's death.


Back on topic, the Monarchy in most likely won't be restored.
First of all, Italy has now (and I'm afraid will continue to have in the next future) lots of more urgent and pressing political and institutional problems to face and solve. Italian politicians and institutions do have other things to think about and to do.
Secondly, the largest majority of the population doesn't even think about the possibility of a restoration of the monarchy. There is still much anger against the ex Italian Monarchy and the Savoy Kings of Italy because of their behaviour during and after the fascist regime in Italy.
Thirdly, the Savoy claimants to the throne are either far from be suitable Kings or virtually unknown to Italian people. And all them doesn't seem to be very interested in restoring the Monarchy.
Last but not least, even if people, politicians and republican institusions all agreed to restore the Monarchy, there would be a not easy practical problem to solve: how to realize the restoration. The problem is that the Italian (Republican) Constitution clearly states that "The form of Republic shall not be a matter for constitutional amendment", excluding any chance of a "legal" and constitutional change of the form of government and thus of a restoration of the Monarchy.
 
He was never accused of his bother-in-law's murder.

In 1978 on Cavallo, after finding his yacht's dingy attached to another yacht, he tried to board that yacht and shot at a person on that yacht but hit a 19 yr old named Dirk Hamer sleeping on another yacht. He died and VE admitted civil liability. He was investigated for murder, etc. After 13 yrs in the criminal courts he was acquitted of fatal wounding and unintentional homicide, and ended up only with a 6 month suspended sentence for a weapons violation.
 
Oh sure, the only thing we miss now is a coup d'etat to restore the monarchy...

Really, the people has far more pressing, urgent, important problems to solve; no major party supports the restoration; I wonder how does the President of the UMI think that a restoration could happen...
 
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A new look of the official site of the Italian Monarchist Union (UMI):

U.M.I. - Home
 
House of Savoy

HRH prince Victor Emanuel of Naples can no longer be the hereditary successor to the Italian throne for two reasons, the first is he married a commoner without hi fathers permission and there is unequivocal evidence that he was told by the King in writing if he went a head with the wedding he would loose claim to the title of hereditary King to the Italian throne and as head of the House of Savoy and that his cousin HRH Duke Amedeo di Aosta would take is place.
Secondly in 2002 Victor Emanuel renounced his title as King not only for himself but for is son Emanuel and recognized the republic as the rightful government of Italy so he could return to Italy.
If Italy was to be returned to the monarchy by this actions under the constitution of the royal family the congress will not allow him or his son to be crowned king.
 
Victor-Emanuel di Savoia had a quite tragic life anyway.
 
Is there any possibility of Emanuel Filiberto become King of Italy?

Official website of Emanuel Filiberto: http: Ultime notizie
 
None! He is not even member of the Royal Family leaded by Prince Amedeo.
 
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More correctly, Prince Emanuele Filiberto is not a member of that branch of the Royal House of Savoy headed by Duke Amedeo.
He is, however, a direct line member of the Royal House of Savoy which is headed by his father.

Guys, please don't bring partisan arguments into factual discussions. thanks.

For the purposes of The Royal Forums, Prince Emanuel Filiberto of Savoy is the heir of his father Prince Vittorio Emanuele who is the heir of his father, the late Umberto II, King of Italy.

Prince Amedeo, the 5th Duke of Aosta, is the head of the Savoy-Aosta branch of the Royal House. Due to the lack of male heirs in the direct line the Aostas will likely inherit the undisputed Headship of the House of Savoy in the person of the Duke's son Prince Aimone, or grandson Prince Umberto, at some time in the future.

We are all familiar with the arguments raised by the Duke of Aosta as to what he and his supporters believe to be his rightful position so they don't need to be repeated ad infinitum in these threads.

thanks,

Warren
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Oh sure, the only thing we miss now is a coup d'etat to restore the monarchy...

Really, the people has far more pressing, urgent, important problems to solve; no major party supports the restoration; I wonder how does the President of the UMI think that a restoration could happen...

You are waiting for the republic to give you back your monarchy???

Yeah, ok :lol:

No, you don't need the republic, you don't even need a majority all you need is a third and that is enough to get your country back.
 
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