Savoy and Savoy-Aosta: Restoration, Succession, Heirs and Conflicts

[Cory]

The italian royalists will be in Alessandria on the 27th of May continuing the celebration of 150 years of italian unity :

U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - Calendario

[roimat]

I'd like to inform me someone, why prince Amadeo had the right to stay in Italia, and Vittorio Emmanuale didn't...i'm a little bit confused:-)

[MAfan]

The transitory and final provision XIII of the Italian Constitution provided for the exile of the ex-kings of the House of Savoy, their consorts and their male descendants.
The ex-Kings were Vittorio Emanuele III and Umberto II, their consorts were Queen Elena and Queen Maria José, their male descendants were in 1948 (when the Constitution came in force) just Vittorio Emanuele and since 1972 also Emanuele Filiberto.
All the other members of the Royal Family were excluded from this provisin and therefore were allowed to stay in Italy. In particular, in 1948 Amedeo was just a 5 years old and harmless baby, considering his young age he couldn't cause any harm to the recently born and somehow frail Republic; and his mother, his aunt Princess Anne and his grandmother Princess Hélène were all highly respected in Italy. Therefore there wasn't any reason for forcing them to the exile.

Also the Duke of Genova and his brother the Duke of Bergamo could remain in Italy.

[roimat]

Thanks a lot! Yes, i knew about the exile of the ex-kings of the House of Savoy, their consorts and their male descendants. But also the now Vittorio Emanuele was a harmless boy in 1949...i still don't understand why he wasn't excluded from the law...just because he was the heir?

[MAfan]

Yes, exactly, because he was the son and heir to the King.

[Cory]

Vittorio-Emanuele di Savoia was Heir to the Throne of Italy between 1946-1969/1971.

[roimat]

Originally Posted by MAfan

Yes, exactly, because he was the son and heir to the King.

Yes but after all,he was just a kid, just like Amedeo...and now, Amedeo seems to be the Head of the Royal House of Italy...

[Cory]

Nobody says the XIII disposition of the Italian Constitution of 1948 was right.Now Vittorio-Emanuele and Emanuele-Filiberto di Savoia can live in Italy without problems.
Prince Amedeo became Head of the Royal House of Savoy only because Vittorio-Emanuele married without the agreement of King Umberto II.

[roimat]

Yes, i know, allthought i don't know how valid is that change. After all, Vittorio Emanuele is the son of the last king, and is without point to argue about something that doesn't exists anymore...

[Cory]

The laws of succession are automatic.If Vittorio-Emanuele married without King's agreement he lost immediately his right for him and for his male descendance.
Today we don't have a Throne of Italy that's why Prince Amedeo is only Head of the Royal House of Savoy and not King.

[roimat]

[QUOTE=Cory;1259589]The laws of succession are automatic.If Vittorio-Emanuele married without King's agreement he lost immediately his right for him and for his male descendance.
Today we don't have a Throne of Italy that's why Prince Amedeo is only Head of the Royal House of Savoy and not King.[/QUOT

In my oppinion, there are laws of succession, if there is a Kingdon. VE married when there was no Kingdom...And calling someone King without him crowned, it's a little bit ridiculous...That's not serious...ok, once heir's father died as a King, but this doesn't make him King...

[Cory]

Even if we speak about a non reigning Royal House the Laws of Succession remained the same.King Umberto II never changed them.

[Cory]

Royalists' meeting at Bisceglie:
U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - BISCEGLIE (BT): COMPLEANNO DELL'ITALIA - VERSO LE CONCLUSIONI CELEBRATIVE

[Cory]

I suppose there is no Royal Decree granting any title to Mr.Emanuele-Filiberto di Savoia .So why does he call himself prince of Venice?

There is no Decree granting any title to the son of Vittorio-Emanuele di Savoia (Prince of Naples from 1937-1970 and Crown Prince of Italy between 1946-1970). So Emanuele-Filiberto has no title at all.

[MAfan]

It seems there isn't any decree granting the title.
Vittorio Emanuele and Emanuele Filiberto claim that King Umberto II conferred orally the title of Prince of Venice to Emanuele Filiberto on occasion of his christening.
This is quite odd, because the King usually issued a decree when conferring titles; so why didn't he do that time too? And if, on the contrary, he did and somewhere there is a decree granting the title to Emanuele Filiberto, why it has never been showed up? If such a decree existed, it would be one of the best evidences of the rightfulness of Vittorio Emanuele and Emanuele Filiberto's claims.

[Cory]

Italian Royalist 2012 calendar:
U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - CALENDARIO REALE 2012

National Council in Rome of the italian royalists of UMI:
U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - ENTRO FINE ANNO SI TERRA' IL CONGRESSO NAZIONALE DELL'U.M.I.

[latinist]

How are things standing nowadays related to the possibility of an italian restoration? Are the italian royalists strong?
What is the people's oppinion?

[Cory]

The royalists represent only a minority and the members of the Royal Family are not known enough.

[Cory]

The italian royalists from UMI will be on the 17th of March in the Rome Square in Ancona in order to campaign for Monarchy:

U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - Calendario

[Cory]

The hystoric leader of the italian royalists, Sergio Boschiero, at a defence of a doctorate in Oriental Canon Law in Rome:

U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - News