Savoy and Savoy-Aosta: Restoration, Succession, Heirs and Conflicts - Page 8

Count · #**141** 10-11-2010, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MAfan

...the Court of Appeal of Firenze...confirming that Amedeo and Aimone can use the plain surname "di Savoia" (although their legal surname still is "di Savoia-Aosta").

This decision is natural: if you have a surnames composed by two ore more names you may use the one you want...

My surname is composed by 3 names, (ex. John Green-Red of Blue), I have them on the passport and I use the first one, some people call me with the 2nd but on the cheques, for example, I must sign with alle 3... Nobody can forbidd me from using my legal name!

Cory · #**142** 10-11-2010, 06:50 AM

All the three Princes of the Royal Family (Prince Amedeo, Prince Aimone, Prince Umberto) have the right now to use their legal surname "di Savoia" and not necessarily add the name of the branch of which they came ("Aosta").Today we can speak only about the Royal House of Savoy to which the three Princes belong.
It is a real shame Vittorio-Emanuele and his son ( who still pretend to belong to the royal Family) prepared this trial against the Princes of the Italian Royal Family.

Next Star · #**143** 10-18-2010, 10:47 PM

Victor-Emanuel and his son still see themselves as senior members of the Savoy Italian royal family but in reality their not so they are going to try to battle Princes Amedo,Aimone,and Umberto being they still see them as members of the junior branch not the senior branch barring them against using Savoy as their family name.

Katrianna · #**144** 10-19-2010, 12:21 AM

What is a shame is that this "battle" is going to keep going on and on, not so much on the Aosta side, but with Vittorio-Emanuele. I have a question, and pardon me for being ignorant, since the fight at Prince Felipe's wedding, has Vittorio-Emanuele and his family been avoided by the rest of the European Royals? In the past, my royal magazines would have a photo of the family at a few Royal events, but since that incident in 2004, they haven't been shown so I assume they're off invitation lists or avoided.

Cory · #**145** 10-20-2010, 05:56 AM

Emanuele-Filiberto seem different from his father...he is an showman but not a "fighter".

**Marengo** · #**146** 10-20-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Katrianna

What is a shame is that this "battle" is going to keep going on and on, not so much on the Aosta side, but with Vittorio-Emanuele. I have a question, and pardon me for being ignorant, since the fight at Prince Felipe's wedding, has Vittorio-Emanuele and his family been avoided by the rest of the European Royals? In the past, my royal magazines would have a photo of the family at a few Royal events, but since that incident in 2004, they haven't been shown so I assume they're off invitation lists or avoided.

I think there just have been few royal events for him to attend. He is related to the Belgian and Lux. RF so it will be interesting to see if he is invited to the wedding of H.GD. Guillaume in the future.

**MAfan** · #**147** 10-20-2010, 02:47 PM

He attended in 2005 the funeral of his cousin Grand Duchess Josephine Charlotte in Luxembourg, while last year he didn't attend the funeral of his other cousin Prince Alexandre of Belgium (his sister Princess Maria Gabriella was present).
I don't know if he or his wife or son attended the celebration of the 25th wedding anniversary of the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Luxembourg in 2006.
I can't recall more events he may have attended in the last years in these two countries.

Conte di · #**148** 12-27-2010, 04:27 PM

How embarrassing was the whole incident which, sorry to say,must have been provoked by Vitt Emanuele. There is definitely a reason Humbert II said nothing about his successor.

Conte di · #**149** 12-27-2010, 04:39 PM

Restoration is only a family dream. If it were to happen, Vitt Emanuele IV would never be king. Filberto has a better chance if at all. As a family member I would support a restoration of course but not with just any Savoia on the throne.

melina premiere · #**150** 12-31-2010, 04:41 AM

After the fight beetween the two itlalian princes in May 2004, I never saw any italian prince at an event of a royal family like the weedding of the princess Victoria, but I saw the prince Philiberto and his wife Clothilde at the mass of the enthronement of Prince Albert of Monaco in november 2005.We will see who will be hosted at the weedding of Prince Albert, Italy is the nearest place of Monaco, we see the costs of Italy from Monaco and it is very important to have a member of the ex royal of Italy at this weedding.I am sure it will be Prince philiberto Emma nuel, Prince of Venice

**MAfan** · #**151** 01-07-2011, 09:58 AM

Emanuele Filiberto is a personal friend of the Prince of Monaco, so it's likely that he and Clotilde will be invited ar Albert and Charlene's wedding.

If I remeber correctly, Albert even was Emanuele Filiberto's witness at his wedding to Clotilde.

MPD1 · #**152** 01-09-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Conte di

Restoration is only a family dream. If it were to happen, Vitt Emanuele IV would never be king. Filberto has a better chance if at all. As a family member I would support a restoration of course but not with just any Savoia on the throne.

I'm not that well informed about the succession issues in Italy but why does everyone think that Filiberto has better chances? He doesn't have a male heir whereas Aimone does have a son now. So my question would be, does all this have to do with North Italy vs South Italy? We all know about the cultural difference between the 2 parts of the country, does this affect even the issues regarding the restoration of the monarchy and the succession?

David V · #**153** 02-18-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MPD1

I'm not that well informed about the succession issues in Italy but why does everyone think that Filiberto has better chances? He doesn't have a male heir whereas Aimone does have a son now. So my question would be, does all this have to do with North Italy vs South Italy? We all know about the cultural difference between the 2 parts of the country, does this affect even the issues regarding the restoration of the monarchy and the succession?

It's not a North v South issue but a purely dynastic one. One line is the direct inheritor of the Savoy kings of Italy, whereas the other (Aosta) descends from Amadeo, who was King of Spain for five years.

Prior to Unification, Italy was comprised of a myriad of kingdoms, duchies and republics. Many of these states disappeared with time (such as the ancient republics of Venice and Genoa), as consolidation took place resulting from the French Revolution and the Congress of Vienna. Only San Marino has preserved independence today, while the Vatican was only formally established by the Concordat in 1929.

The states that existed immediately before unification were:

Kingdom of Sardinia, ruled by the House of Savoy. Piedmont and Sardinia had been in union since the 18th century.
Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia, basically comprising the lands of the former Duchy of Milan and Venetian Republic, ruled by Austria.
Duchy of Parma, ruled by the House of Bourbon
Duchy of Modena, ruled by the Austria-Este line
Grand Duchy of Tuscany, ruled by the House of Habsburg
Papal States, ruled by the Pope
Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, ruled by the House of Bourbon. Naples and Sicily were "merged" in 1816. This is the region collectively known as "the South".

The Savoy dispute is a dynastic dispute rather than a regional one. There are monarchists supporting either of the Savoy lines, but there are also regional monarchists supporting the regional royal lines- of which the Two Sicilies monarchists are the biggest. The Two Sicilies monarchists also tend to be anti-Savoy for historical reasons, because of Unification (they feel the Two Sicilies was a country that was conquered from Turin). It was also why relations between the Catholic Church and the Kingdom of Italy were strained before the 1929 Concordat. Regional monarchism has also cast itself within a wider Italian and European phenomenon of regionalism.

Katrianna · #**154** 02-18-2011, 11:39 PM

I have a question and would like some opinions. I'm sorry to be morbid, but after VE and his Aosta cousin have passed, would chances for reconciliation between the two Houses be greater? Could EF and Aimone come to terms or is the animosity between the families too great and ingrained?
Thanks in advance for your responses.

maria-olivia · #**155** 02-19-2011, 09:19 AM

Alas , they are so different. One on TV highlight One in the shadow!
Why pictures of VE and the two little kenyan boys and pictures of Umberto of Aosta at the same time.
Aimone married a Princess and has a son ; VE married a french actress and has two girls.
The only thing similar is that the two brides were pregnant on their wedding day;

Cory · #**156** 03-07-2011, 07:41 AM

Prince Aimone and Princess Olga are very respected but maybe less known than the actor.

Cory · #**157** 05-04-2011, 04:24 PM

An interesting poll made by Skt TG24 says 30% of italians want the Monarchy.What do you think?

U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - News

kathia_sophia · #**158** 05-04-2011, 04:28 PM

wow thats quite something!!!! thats actually a lot in my point of view!
maybe its a new start for it to actually happen in the future?

Cory · #**159** 05-04-2011, 04:46 PM

Maybe inn few years there could be some chances with Prince Aimone.

Cory · #**160** 05-14-2011, 06:45 PM

The italian royalists are organised all over the country by UMI (www.monarchia.it ) and they try to speak to all the social classes but especially to the youth.

Here a nice photo with the leaders of UMI (Unione Monarchica Italiana) and the leaders of the Youth Monarchical Front:

U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - News