Savoy and Savoy-Aosta: Restoration, Succession, Heirs and Conflicts - Page 10

Cory · #**181** 05-20-2012, 05:31 PM

The leaders of the Italian young royalists met at Castel di Sangro:

U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - LA DIRIGENZA DEL FRONTE MONARCHICO GIOVANILE RIUNITA A CASTEL DI SANGRO PER LA SECONDA EDIZIONE DEL CONVEGNO FORMATIVO

The Italian royalists should be more united if they want to have a real influence in the country.

Lumutqueen · #**182** 05-27-2012, 05:13 AM

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The Italian royalists should be more united if they want to have a real influence in the country.

Guess they don't want to have an influence then.

Cory · #**183** 05-27-2012, 09:47 AM

The most powerful royalist organisation, UMI, is quite active but not all the royalists support it.

Tosca · #**184** 05-27-2012, 11:00 AM

The royalists? There are very few of them left...

Cory · #**185** 05-28-2012, 07:24 AM

They do not represent the majority of the population but we can't say they are very few.

Cory · #**186** 11-17-2012, 08:09 AM

The royalists of the Italian Monarchist Union will have their Congress on the 23rd-25th of November in Rome and the event will be presided by HRH Prince Amedeo of Savoy, Head of the Italian Royal House:

U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - News

U.M.I. - Unione Monarchica Italiana - XII Congresso Nazionale - Roma Novembre 2012

Cory · #**187** 11-26-2012, 10:06 AM

HRH Prince Amedeo and HRH Princess Silvia of Savoy at the XIITh Congress of UMI (Italian Monarchical Union) in Rome:

ROMA: XII CONGRESSO NAZIONALE U.M.I.

britishboy · #**188** 01-04-2013, 04:03 PM

Will Italy ever restore its Royal Family

Alexey 1904 · #**189** 01-04-2013, 04:19 PM

Not as long as Vittorio Emmanuel or whatever his name is who claims to be the Head of the House of Savoy is still around.

NGalitzine · #**190** 01-04-2013, 04:44 PM

Neither claimants have particularly distingushed themselves.

Alexey 1904 · #**191** 01-04-2013, 07:32 PM

You're referring to VE and his cousin, correct? I don't know anything about the cousin, but Emmanuel Filiberto's dad seems to be always fighting with others about his right to be the next to rule Italy.

COUNTESS · #**192** 01-04-2013, 08:01 PM

Why would they do that? A waste of money and anachronistic.

NGalitzine · #**193** 01-04-2013, 08:28 PM

^^^^^
Well presidencies don't exactly come cheap. In fact more than a few European presidents, even the ceremonial ones, cost more than most royal families.
Then you have to consider their pensions and life long security costs for them, their successors and their predecessors.

cepe · #**194** 01-04-2013, 08:45 PM

Cost/benefit analysis required. In recent years with S.Berlusconi as PM, the President has been "invisible" in the UK press. It seems a reasonable job, a 7 year term and then a member of the Senate for life, so I assume payment of some kind for life and possibly other benefits. Plus support costs for staff?? Security??

Artemisia · #**195** 01-04-2013, 08:45 PM

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^^^^^
Wel presidencies don't exactly come cheap. Im fact more than a few European presidents, even the ceremonial ones, cost more than most royal families.

Quite so. In fact, the maintenance of the President of France costs more than the combined costs of maintaining the Royal Families of, say, Britain, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and the Netherlands.

cepe · #**196** 01-04-2013, 08:48 PM

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Quite so. In fact, the maintenance of the President of France costs more than the combined costs of maintaining the Royal Families of, say, Britain, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and the Netherlands.

And there is a Prime Minister as well.

Back to the question of restoration of the Italian Monarchy. Is there any data on how popular a move that would be?

Artemisia · #**197** 01-04-2013, 08:50 PM

Right now? With Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia as the main claimant to the Headship of the House? Not a chance.

Ceallach · #**198** 01-04-2013, 10:11 PM

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You're referring to VE and his cousin, correct? I don't know anything about the cousin, but Emmanuel Filiberto's dad seems to be always fighting with others about his right to be the next to rule Italy.

The cousins literally came to blows with VE punching Amedeo twice at the Spanish royal wedding pre-wedding dinner in 2004.

That is why you see his son going to royal weddings now, VE is kinda banned. VE also has faced accusations of murder, criminal association, corruption, and exploitation of prostitution.

Emanuele Filiberto doing reality tv gig after gig does not help either.

Aimone as a regional director of Pirelli, and married to a Greek princess, is the best hope and eventual heir one way or the other since EF has no sons. If EF and VE did own their renunciations and not back out of them and backed Aimone as did Amedeo do to his age then you might have a chance with Aimone.

Alexey 1904 · #**199** 01-05-2013, 01:50 PM

Didn't the current PM resign recently? I did hear about one of VE's sister's husbands being murdered. That must be one of the accusations against Vittorio. I think Italy has enough problems politically to even think of an exiled prince becoming King again.

**MAfan** · #**200** 01-05-2013, 06:49 PM

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I did hear about one of VE's sister's husbands being murdered. That must be one of the accusations against Vittorio.

The husband of Princess Maria Beatrice, Luis Reyna Corvalan y Dillon, was indeed murdered in his home in Cuernavaca, Mexico, in 1999; but Vittorio Emanuele has nothing to do with his murder. Vittorio Emanuele has many faults, included one murder, but he isn't at all responsible of his brother-in-law's death.

Back on topic, the Monarchy in most likely won't be restored.
First of all, Italy has now (and I'm afraid will continue to have in the next future) lots of more urgent and pressing political and institutional problems to face and solve. Italian politicians and institutions do have other things to think about and to do.
Secondly, the largest majority of the population doesn't even think about the possibility of a restoration of the monarchy. There is still much anger against the ex Italian Monarchy and the Savoy Kings of Italy because of their behaviour during and after the fascist regime in Italy.
Thirdly, the Savoy claimants to the throne are either far from be suitable Kings or virtually unknown to Italian people. And all them doesn't seem to be very interested in restoring the Monarchy.
Last but not least, even if people, politicians and republican institusions all agreed to restore the Monarchy, there would be a not easy practical problem to solve: how to realize the restoration. The problem is that the Italian (Republican) Constitution clearly states that "The form of Republic shall not be a matter for constitutional amendment", excluding any chance of a "legal" and constitutional change of the form of government and thus of a restoration of the Monarchy.