Royal House of Savoy current events 1: 2002- March 2007


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fanletizia said:
Rome's aristocracy shuns disgraced prince


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060626/en_afp/italyroyaljustice_060626135723
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I just read this article and realized that the prince should have been more conscious of the fact that he was allowed to return to Italy after many years of exile and should have behaved in a way that would not make anyone regret re-admitting him to the country. Now whomever allowed him to return must feel just awful. The heir to this dynasty will have to work incredibly hard to restore this family to respectibility.
 
Yes, Heidi, I totally agree. It should be very sad if now, they must be forced to leave. :( After so many years of fight to return to Italy!

Vanesa.
 
Vanesa said:
Yes, Heidi, I totally agree. It should be very sad if now, they must be forced to leave. :( After so many years of fight to return to Italy!.
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The article was about the possibility (based on two quotes) of the Prince being expelled from the Hunting Circle private club, not being forced to leave Italy.
 
Warren said:
The article was about the possibility (based on two quotes) of the Prince being expelled from the Hunting Circle private club, not being forced to leave Italy.
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I wouldn't believe everything Prince Giovannelli says...:rolleyes: He's a person who's always putting in an appearence everywhere, mostly television...
 
Warren said:
The article was about the possibility (based on two quotes) of the Prince being expelled from the Hunting Circle private club, not being forced to leave Italy.
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I understood the article perfectly. I was speaking about his fragile situation right now, not about the article. If something of this accusation is proved to be true, his situation could turn very bad. Hope not. :(

Vanesa.
 
The situation is beyond control and will escalate as the trial starts. I'm sure it will be a big media circus and Victor Emanuel will not recover from it even if the charges are not proven.

When I read that the aristrocracy is now abandoning him all I thought is that passage about those who are free of sin cast the first stone. In my state we have so many scandals involving politicians and it's the same reaction. Last week we had a mayor of a town cry on TV when someone exposed him in the newspapers from conducting drug deals from his Town office. Then there is a week long uproar and the news die out. People of certain political or social status jump into the opportunity to start the mob when they, themselves, probably had worse skeletons in their closet to hide from the public.
 
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Wow, I've been out of the loop and I'm just now hearing about all this. This is such a disgrace for the House of Savoy. I am a fan of Italian royalty and wish that they still had a king, but thank heavens VE isnt king. I think him, his wife and his son should not even be considered royalty because they sure dont act like it. I can only imagine what Umberto and Marie Jose would think about all this.
 
I can only imagine what Umberto and Marie Jose would think about all this
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Umberto cared a lot for his native country, when he died in exile in Portugal he was reported that his last word was "Italia". He also lived in a house he named Villa Italia.
Though I only read about him on books and mags, for obvious reasons, I think he was a dignified man, unlike his father, and now his son. He payed for his family crimes. He hated Mussolini and Fascism, and for this reason he was spied on. He was the only one in the Savoia family to speak Italian properly.
Maria José was rumored to have been in touch with the Resistance and to have taken part in a plot to kill Mussolini. She had the gut to confront Hitler during an official dinner in Rome.
Perhaps VE has taken from his grandfather. His parents must be spinning in their graves.
 
the person I feel really sorry for is Emmanuele Filliberto, his dad is accused and could be convicted of a heinous crime; his family has just shafted him; the rest of the aristocracy is baying for his dad and his head nd his wife is about to drop another child very soon. The stress he must be going through must be immence and he hasn't done anything to deserve this. I just hope he , his wife and kids can survive this with their dignity intact. Good thing I'm not him because if I was I'd have started plotting on how to get every one back for what they'd done and that includes VE.
 
I was hoping that Gabriela would take charge of the family, but now I see that even today the Council of a non exixtent monarchy keeps a very much existent chauvinism alive, even in 2006.
 
Benjamin said:
I think you will agree that Vittorio Emanuele is as much a cause of this mess as is Amedeo & Gabriella.
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Gabriella? I think you mean Prince Victor Emanuel's wife Marina Doria? :confused:

Maria Gabriella is his sister and there is no love lost between them, and even less between Princess Maria Gabriella and her sister-in-law Marina Doria. From what I read in one of the links Gabriella blames Marina's ambition for all of her brother's problems. Not that he is a saint with halo and wings.

quote from this article :

"...His three sisters have publicly distanced themselves from him in protest at his alleged use of the Savoy family’s chivalric Order of St Maurice and Saint Lazarus for money-making purposes rather than for charity. “We did well to distance ourselves from him,” his sister Maria Gabriella was quoted as saying yesterday. “From today, he’s just Mr Savoy to me...”
 
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The prince Emanuele Filiberto didn’t use his site www.disavoia.org ( the latest information here dates to the beginning of prince’s Vittorio Emanuele stay in jail) to express his concerns about prince’s Savoia- Aosta decision; he just only wrote letter to www.monarchici.org. So prince Emanuele in short thanked Coordinamento Monarchico Italiano for their support and for having stand up for Casa Savoia. The prince Emanuele has characterized action taken by prince Aosta as “illegal act” and hopes that in short future the situation will be cleared up.
 
Tosca,
I enjoyed reading your last comment on the Umberto and Marie Jose. Definetly a thought to contemplate.
MM
 
Benjamin said:
I think you will agree that Vittorio Emanuele is as much a cause of this mess as is Amedeo & Gabriella.
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Absolutely I do. However, the intelligent (not to mention ethical) thing for all interested parties to do would be first of all to wait and see the outcome of the latest charges brought against Vittorio Emmanuele.

What has been done instead is a rush to judgement and a hasty and illegal action that has the effect of kicking a man while he is down and, thus, making him into more of a victim than a perpetrator.
 
Toledo said:
Gabriella? I think you mean Prince Victor Emanuel's wife Marina Doria? :confused:

Maria Gabriella is his sister and there is no love lost between them, and even less between Princess Maria Gabriella and her sister-in-law Marina Doria. From what I read in one of the links Gabriella blames Marina's ambition for all of her brother's problems. Not that he is a saint with halo and wings.

quote from this article :

"...His three sisters have publicly distanced themselves from him in protest at his alleged use of the Savoy family’s chivalric Order of St Maurice and Saint Lazarus for money-making purposes rather than for charity. “We did well to distance ourselves from him,” his sister Maria Gabriella was quoted as saying yesterday. “From today, he’s just Mr Savoy to me...”
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You are right I should've included Marina in that too. However I say Gabriella because she has publically bashed (an example would be her calling him an alcoholic) her brother and that obviously will make some people think less of VE because the comments are made from his sister. If Gabriella was perhaps more diplomatic when dealing with her relatives (both brother & cousin) then perhaps she could have helped to reconciliate and/or stop this whole split from happening.
 
iago said:
Absolutely I do. However, the intelligent (not to mention ethical) thing for all interested parties to do would be first of all to wait and see the outcome of the latest charges brought against Vittorio Emmanuele.

What has been done instead is a rush to judgement and a hasty and illegal action that has the effect of kicking a man while he is down and, thus, making him into more of a victim than a perpetrator.
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You are right in that it really isn't fair to condemn someone before they are found guilty of something. Unfortunately in VE's case he has those tapes (contents of which have been made public) going against him.
 
Queen Amina said:
"the person I feel really sorry for is Emmanuele Filliberto, his dad is accused and could be convicted of a heinous crime...I just hope he , his wife and kids can survive this with their dignity intact."
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Queen Amina said:
Queen Amina,

I totally agree with you. This is a very public and humiliating experience for

Casa Savoia. Emmanuel Filiberto will probably spend many, many years

receovering from the fallout and damage of this scandal. I know that would

put alot of pressure on him, his wife and family, but it may turn out right in

the end.
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Tosca said:
Umberto cared a lot for his native country, when he died in exile in Portugal he was reported that his last word was "Italia". He also lived in a house he named Villa Italia.
Though I only read about him on books and mags, for obvious reasons, I think he was a dignified man, unlike his father, and now his son. He payed for his family crimes. He hated Mussolini and Fascism, and for this reason he was spied on. He was the only one in the Savoia family to speak Italian properly.
Maria José was rumored to have been in touch with the Resistance and to have taken part in a plot to kill Mussolini. She had the gut to confront Hitler during an official dinner in Rome.
Perhaps VE has taken from his grandfather. His parents must be spinning in their graves.
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Marie José's mother was queen Elisabeth of Belgians, whose nickname was, if I remember well, the Red Queen. There is nothing surprising that her daughter was opposed to Mussolini.
 
Danielane said:
Marie José's mother was queen Elisabeth of Belgians, whose nickname was, if I remember well, the Red Queen. There is nothing surprising that her daughter was opposed to Mussolini.
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I read in a book by Montanelli, that Maria José was also nicknamed The Red Queen, and she was rumored to have been supporting the Italian Socialist Party.
 
Benjamin said:
You are right I should've included Marina in that too. However I say Gabriella because she has publically bashed (an example would be her calling him an alcoholic) her brother and that obviously will make some people think less of VE because the comments are made from his sister. If Gabriella was perhaps more diplomatic when dealing with her relatives (both brother & cousin) then perhaps she could have helped to reconciliate and/or stop this whole split from happening.
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In that case, you are right on that one. I think 'diplomatic' is a word not listed in princess Gabriella's dictionary :rolleyes:
When she was in my country, Spain, she made Franco furious for her outspokeness (as in she can't keep her mouth shut) and her fling with Juan Carlos and then with one of Franco's nephews. Then there was the whole thing on the Shah of Iran wanting to make her his Empress and even the Vatican interfered to prevent it. So, she is quite a spitfire all on her own. Still, in this recent problem she did well to side with her sisters and the Aosta group.
 
Toledo said:
In that case, you are right on that one. I think 'diplomatic' is a word not listed in princess Gabriella's dictionary :rolleyes:
When she was in my country, Spain, she made Franco furious for her outspokeness (as in she can't keep her mouth shut) and her fling with Juan Carlos and then with one of Franco's nephews. Then there was the whole thing on the Shah of Iran wanting to make her his Empress and even the Vatican interfered to prevent it. So, she is quite a spitfire all on her own. Still, in this recent problem she did well to side with her sisters and the Aosta group.
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Thanks for all that information about Gabriella, Toledo :). She sounds like she is quite the character. And I agree with you that she is on the right side in this dispute.
 
Princess Marina praying (although IMO it appears she's posing, instead...) in the church of Sperlonga ( a city halfway between Rome and Naples)(olycom)


 
Just read on dagospia that, according to GENTE, an Italian weekly magazine appearing tomorrow, Vittorio Emanuele will abdicate the (virtual) throne in favour of his son Emanuele Filiberto. The news of VE's abdication was to remain a secret for some weeks, and still according to the mag, has taken the members of the Savoia family by surprise and embarassment.
 
Vittorio Emanuele Renounces His Rights to the Throne

VITTORIO EMANUELE DI SAVOIA RINUNCIA AL TRONO

Roma - Vittorio Emanuele rinuncia al trono in favore del figlio Emanuele Filiberto. La notizia, pubblicata sul settimanale 'Gente', doveva restare segreta ancora per alcune settimane: il tempo necessario ad ultimare le pratiche previste dal protocollo reale per il passaggio di consegne da padre a figlio....

For full article see: Antenna3
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Vittorio Emanuele annuncia: 'Il trono per Emanuele Filiberto'

Roma, 25 luglio 2006 - Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia rinuncia al diritto al trono reale in favore del figlio Emanuele Filiberto. È questa l'esclusiva notizia del settimanale "Gente" e che sarebbe dovuta rimanere segreta fino all'ultimazione delle pratiche previste dal protocollo reale, per il passaggio di consegne da padre a figlio....

For full article see: Il Giorno
 
What throne is he renouncing again?
Anyway, is good to see the father making a social sacrifice for the good of his son but I don't know how this is going to help now that their Aosta cousins have been openly declared the carriers of the Savoy family legacy.

:p I can even create a brand new Seinfeld styled word to describe it's titular ambiguity, the Aostas have now the Official Pretendership over Emanuel Filiberto. Please don't smack me to death with english dictionaries :rolleyes:
 
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