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06-18-2006, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Toledo
Somehow I'm staring to see the House of Savoy's arch-rival House of Two-Sicilies (Borbone-Napoles) as the one having the last laugh in all this.
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I don't think any royals would be laughing when the royal "mystique" is severely tarnished in this manner.
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06-18-2006, 09:21 AM
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http://www.repubblica.it/2006/06/sez...portavoce.html
According to article from Repubbblica the prince didnt'sleep to much during his first night in jail at Potenza, he was even a bit ijured because of fall from high bed.
Until now he was visited by his lawyers which are thinking how to take him off the prison.
There are discrepancies about his health state- according to his son The prince Vittorio is a very sick man but his general check-up realised showed something different. Also his spirit is high- during conversation with representatives from party Forza Italia he even tried to joke.
However he was upset by the fact that his belt was taken and had to use plastic bags for his trousers
Until now his son wasn't seen at Potenza, he's supposed to be still at Paris (until tuesday family wont' be allowed to see him).
Another a bit funny and strange information (seeing circumstances), one of prince Vittorio Emmanuele 's sister- princessa Maria Gabriella described him as "credulone" it means credulous...
The same sister or second one said that he trusts "the last person which closes the door" (it means he's easy to be manipulated).
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06-18-2006, 09:59 AM
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On my way out of the Forum I just found a more detailed news link from Bulgaria that has new information: Italian Scandal with Bulgarian Trace
I'll be tonight to read more news.
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06-18-2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Roxsteve
Shameless! Royal or not, if you "kill" someone, you should do time for it. The German student's life was as valuable as any member of any royal house. < ed: Warren >. His son going on a hunger strike???? Do you really think so???
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Going on a hunger strike?Who?EF?Kidding,and his timing for sense of drama only adds to the whole hazzle to all outside this infamous family.The Savoias are redeculed all over.VE was set free of charges in the case above,incredible law system or better the tampering with it.
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06-19-2006, 06:05 AM
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Hey,we all know that he's not a saint...I'm not condemning him,but I don't think that the "bench" would make something like this without evidence...
We'll wait and see...
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In Italy that's more than likely. This wouldn't be the first time. I'm not a fan of the Savoy family, and I'm well aware he's no saint at all. I agree with his sister Gabriella when she says he' s a sucker. I think that he's been used by the "mob" rather than believing he's the boss of a gang. He isn't smart enough... 
Besides, don't forget we're going to vote at an important referendum next week, and this story could be used to distract the public opinion from more important issues regarding our country.
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06-19-2006, 07:21 AM
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A combo picture of frame grabs from a video taken 07 May 2005 by Italian police, as part of the evidence for the 16 June 2006 arrest of Prince Victor Emmanuel, grandson of Italy's last king, on suspicion of links to criminals involved in corruption and prostitution allegedly shows the prince (L) meeting with Italian businessmen Ugo Bonazza and Rocco Migliardi in the gardens of the residence Villa D'Este in Cernobbio northern Italy and receiving from them a bag containing 10,000 euros before placing it in his pocket. Victor Emmanuel will appear before a judge in the southern city of Potenza in the next few days
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06-19-2006, 07:30 AM
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Wow, he was caught in the act!
Has his sister, Princess Gabriela of Savoy, been interviewed on Italian TV about her reaction? Last time I heard of her was around two or three Point de Vue issues ago.
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06-19-2006, 09:07 AM
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drawing of prince Vittorio cell.
In the centre the bad from which the prince fall during the night (he was trying to go down and unfortunately he fall)
http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/C...op_cella.shtml
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06-19-2006, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Toledo
Wow, he was caught in the act!
Has his sister, Princess Gabriela of Savoy, been interviewed on Italian TV about her reaction? Last time I heard of her was around two or three Point de Vue issues ago.
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Hello Toledo
Here's link for interview with one of the prince's sisters- hers opinion about brother isn't too positive I would say...
http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/C...umagalli.shtml
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06-19-2006, 10:35 AM
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For those who can read Italian there are some interesting article about VE's currrent events at www.dagospia.it This site has been proved more reliable than many "serious" newspapers and tabloids, despite its funny format. It apparently has no political affiliation either.
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06-19-2006, 12:30 PM
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06-19-2006, 01:07 PM
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This week's issue of Novella2000. It reads: the Prince of Darkness (via dagospia)
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06-19-2006, 03:42 PM
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Here's link for interview with one of the prince's sisters-
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Thanks, you might be interested in another thread in Royal Forums that mentions the tense relationship between Princess Maria Gabriella and her hot-headed brother. I can't recall which thread but is about the ladies in the life of the Shah of Iran. Princess Maria Gabriela was prevented from getting married to him (thus she and not Farah would have become Empress of Iran) because of her brother's interference. Seems there is no love lost between the two siblings for quite some decades now.
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Like father, like son??? (olycom)
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Please tell me that dame is not Clotilde! 
Looks like the 3 pictures are from a party, so they really don't count much.
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06-19-2006, 04:19 PM
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This is definitely not Clotilde.
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06-19-2006, 05:01 PM
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Then, I can breathe again.
There is another news wire I just read from 6 hours ago on wire taps placed (?) on Victor Emanuel. It's a short article so maybe if we wait some more hours another news agency will elaborate further.
WIRE TAPS: MASTELLA THERE CANNOT BE THIS HUNGER FOR TAPS
(AGI) - Milan, Jun. 19
This other news link is kind of funny and yet, disturbing:
Italy's would-be monarch a crime king
19 June 2006  By DESMOND O'GRADY
Sydney Morning Herald
ROME: If it were not for the postwar referendum that went against the monarchy, Victor Emmanuel would be king of Italy instead of cooling his heels in prison. This scion of the Savoy royal family, which united Italy and ruled it until 1948, has been imprisoned on charges that include rigging casino games and favouring prostitution...
...The House of Savoy is one of Europe's oldest and richest royal families. Custodian of the supposed Shroud of Christ, it has produced some canonised saints but Victor Emmanuel is unlikely to be a candidate.
In 1976, he was tried for killing a 19-year-old German, Dirk Hamer, as he slept on the deck of his family's yacht off Corsica but a French court decided the fatal bullet had come from elsewhere.
In 1997, he said fascism's anti-Semitic laws - approved by the Savoy royal house - "weren't so terrible". He later retracted the statement.
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06-20-2006, 11:41 AM
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VE was questionned for the first time today. If someone has infos, it would be interesting.
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06-20-2006, 01:16 PM
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There are no more info at the moment. All is covered by secrecy concerning the documentation of pre-trial investigation.
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06-20-2006, 02:28 PM
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House of Savoy Info on VE
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There are no more info at the moment. All is covered by secrecy concerning the documentation of pre-trial investigation.
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This what I found in the "Royalty of the World" web site. Makes for an interesting read. 
http://www.royalty.nu/news.html
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06-20-2006, 04:01 PM
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I just read a newspaper article that said Prince Victor's 34-year-old son, Emanuele Filiberto, has also been arrested. Is this true?
This is the link the story.
http://euronews.net/create_html.php?...e=364961&lng=1
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