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02-18-2006, 01:32 PM
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Okay, this might be slightly off topic, but how, if at all, are the Savoys and the Calabrias related?
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02-18-2006, 03:31 PM
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Our history books say the Savoia Family ended with Carlo Felice, who produced no heirs, so the throne went to his nephew Carlo Alberto Principe di Carignano.
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But as the current Savoia is a direct descendant by the men of the ducal family of Savoia, in a genealogical way, the family has not died, as the current branch does still belong to the same family. I see your point perfectly, but one can't say the family has died, it would say there is no more descendants by the men of the original ducal family. Do you see my point?
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02-18-2006, 03:38 PM
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Savoys & Two Sicilians
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Okay, this might be slightly off topic, but how, if at all, are the Savoys and the Calabrias related?
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Not very closely. For starters the Bourbon Two-Sicilies were an outposted branch of the Spanish Royal House, and they and the Savoys were rivals over dominance in what we now call Italy; the Savoys triumphed at the expense of the Kings of the Two Sicilies, the Dukes of Parma, the Grand Dukes of Tuscany etc, who all lost their thrones at the time of unification in 1861.
There had been a couple of Savoy-Two Sicilies marriages, but not of great significance. The only standout would be Princess Maria Cristina, daughter of King Vittorio Emanuele I, who married Ferdinando II, King of the Two Sicilies, in 1832 (she died four years later).
However, 1938 was a big year, and marked the reconciliation between the two Royal Houses. Prince Eugenio of Savoy, Duke of Ancona, 5th Duke of Genoa, married Princess Lucia, the daughter of Ferdinando (III), Duke of Calabria, Count of Caserta, Head of the Royal House of the Two Sicilies (and the last undisputed Head!).
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02-18-2006, 03:45 PM
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But as the current Savoia is a direct descendant by the men of the ducal family of Savoia, in a genealogical way, the family has not died, as the current branch does still belong to the same family. I see your point perfectly, but one can't say the family has died, it would say there is no more descendants by the men of the original ducal family. Do you see my point?
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Yes. One branch of the dynasty died out and the surviving branch assumed the Crown. Still the same House and the same dynasty, still Savoy.
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02-18-2006, 05:06 PM
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Yes. One branch of the dynasty died out and the surviving branch assumed the Crown. Still the same House and the same dynasty, still Savoy.
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Yes, exactly this point. So technically the Savoia family has not died.
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02-21-2006, 10:25 AM
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Princess Marina and Prince Carlo Giovannelli at a party in Gstaadt (dagospia)
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03-05-2006, 08:17 AM
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Somebody mentioned Princess Maria Gabriella di Savoia, Queen Elena's great ganddaughter. Here are a couple of pics of her taken not long ago. However I see no resemblance with Queen Elena today, still she's a very beautiful lady (from:olycom)
Princess MG hosted by Italian state-run channel RAI1 
Princess MG and her daughter Elisabeth de Balkany in their ancestors' bedroom in Racconigi Palace near Turin. (Turin was the first capital of the Kingdom of Italy)
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03-20-2006, 01:54 PM
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I have a question about Princess Marina. Does anyone know anything about her ancestors? Is she an aristocrat by birth? How did she meet Victor Emanuelle in the first place?
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03-21-2006, 11:56 AM
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I have a question about Princess Marina. Does anyone know anything about her ancestors? Is she an aristocrat by birth? How did she meet Victor Emanuelle in the first place?
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Prince Vittorio Emanuele and Marina Ricolfi Doria first met at a party in 1945 when they both were still kids.
Then they met again in 1954 when she was 19 and he was 17 and fell in love. She won the world's water skiing championship four times. She was born in Switzerland, the daughter of a wealthy bakery owner, for this reason she was often referred as the "bakeress" by the press. She is the descendant of Genua's doge Andrea Doria. She's ana ristocrat, but not a royal.
The Prince parents didn't approve their relationship, so they first got married in a civil ceremony in Las Vegas in 1970, then they a married in a religious ceremony in Teheran in 1971, since VE was a good friend of Reza Pahlavi.
Marina Ricolfi Doria when she was young (liberonews.)
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04-28-2006, 10:59 AM
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Prince Vittorio Emanuele with his two sisters, Maria Gabriella (nicknamed Ella) on the left, and Maria Beatrice (Titti) at a gala (OLYCOM)
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04-28-2006, 11:01 AM
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Pricess Maria Beatrice di Savoia (Titti), her late husband Luis Reyna and their late son Raffaello at his christening in 1972 (Olycom)
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Titti and her Mom, Queen Maria José in 1943 (olycom)
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04-28-2006, 11:04 AM
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Prince Vittorio Emanuele and his sisters : Maria Beatrice, Maria Pia and Maria Gabriella when they were young.
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A vintage photo of Princess Maria Pia di Savoia and her kids. two pairs of twins (olycom)
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04-28-2006, 11:28 AM
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A vintage photo of Princess Maria Pia di Savoia and her kids. two pairs of twins.
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Princess Maria Pia married Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia in 1955. Their four children:
• Prince Dimitri 1958
• Prince Michael 1958
• Prince Serge 1963
• Princess Helen 1963
The father of Serge and Helen is "probably" Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma, who was married to Princess Yolande de Broglie-Revel at the time.
Maria Pia and Alexander divorced in 1967.
He married Princess Barbara of Liechtenstein in 1973;
She married Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma in 2003.
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so she and prince michel had to be togetehr after all.....
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Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy and wife Marina Doria at the Villa Pallavicino during their visit in Genova , Italy.
Prince Victor Emanuel stands at the balcony where his grand grand father was acclaimed by the people during a visit on 1892.
Genova Palazzo Pallavicino , Italy on May 4 , 2006.
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great photos thanks. how did Raffaello die?
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I think he accidentally fell from a window of his college in Boston in April 1994.
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05-09-2006, 09:50 AM
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Yes this what they officially said, but Raffaello was reported to have suffered from depression, like his Mom also had. She often attempted to kill herself when she was young.
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