Prince Pedro, Duke of Calabria, and the House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies: Nov. 2015-

[An Ard Ri]

Is the duchy of Calabria regarded as a higher title than that of Castro?

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

Is the duchy of Calabria regarded as a higher title than that of Castro?

I read that Calabria was traditionally the title for the heir. While I assume duke of Castro was for the head of the house?!

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

When the one-sided adaptation by Carlo is not accepted, it risks the House split in three faction:

1.
The Duke of Calabria (Spanish branch)

2.
The Duke of Castro (Italian branch)

3.
Don Francesco di Borbone delle Due Sicilie (cousin of the Duke of Castro, son of two HRH parents, made a dynastic marriage with Alexandra von Schönborn-Wiesentheid, from a mediatized House). He and his now 17 year old son Don Antonio di Borbone delle Due Sicilie are then strong contenders for the headship. In that case I hope on a Two Sicilies marriage between the two branches.

When the now 17 years old Donna Maria Carolina marries the now 17 years old Don Antonio, it would enormously enhance the Castro claim.

Such a dynastic marriage didn't work out that well in Georgia although it produced a heir.

But I don't see many people accepting Maria Carolina is the new head of the house; so, I would expect the majority to back up the third contender.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

Is the duchy of Calabria regarded as a higher title than that of Castro?

Originally Posted by Somebody

I read that Calabria was traditionally the title for the heir. While I assume duke of Castro was for the head of the house?!

Yes, Duke of Calabria was used to refer to the oldest son of the king of the Two Sicilies, whereas Duke of Castro figured as part of the king's subsidiary titles.

https://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/2sicilie.htm

Originally Posted by Somebody

Such a dynastic marriage didn't work out that well in Georgia although it produced a heir.

But I don't see many people accepting Maria Carolina is the new head of the house; so, I would expect the majority to back up the third contender.

Do you mean the majority of family members or the majority of Sicilian monarchists? I was under the impression that Francesco hasn't publicly staked a claim to the (future) headship and Duc_et_Pair was describing a hypothetical situation.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Yes, Duke of Calabria was used to refer to the oldest son of the king of the Two Sicilies, whereas Duke of Castro figured as part of the king's subsidiary titles.

https://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/2sicilie.htm



Do you mean the majority of family members or the majority of Sicilian monarchists? I was under the impression that Francesco hasn't publicly staked a claim to the (future) headship and Duc_et_Pair was describing a hypothetical situation.

Yes, the hypothetical situation that the Duke of Castro passes away and leaves his daughter Princess Maria Carolina as the new head of the House.

Before his unilateral declaration (to assign his daughters as his heirs) his cousin Don Francesco and then his cousin's son Don Antonio were the heirs for the headship of the House (Italian branch).




Il principe Carlo di Borbone delle Due Sicilie, duca di Castro x Camilla Crociani
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Il principe Ferdinando Maria di Borbone delle Due Sicilie, duca di Castro x Chantal de Chevron-Villette
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Il principe Ranieri di Borbone delle Due Sicilie, duca di Castro x la contessa Maria Carolina Zamoyska
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Il principe Alfonso di Borbone delle Due Sicilie, duca di Castro x la principessa Maria Antonietta di Borbone delle Due Sicilie
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Il principe Gabriele di Borbone delle Due Sicilie x la principessa Malgorzata Isabella Czartoryska
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Il principe Antonio di Borbone delle Due Sicilie x la duchessa Elisabeth von Württemberg
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Il principe Francesco di Borbone delle Due Sicilie x la contessa Alexandra von Schönborn-Wiesentheid

[An Ard Ri]

I'd forgotten that the Duke of Castro has 2 daughters ,I can see another rift in the future.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

I'd forgotten that the Duke of Castro has 2 daughters ,I can see another rift in the future.

Unless Princess Maria Carolina (17) and her distant couin Prince Antonio (17) find each other, uniting the two Castro-supporting branches. But the ultimate jetset lifestyle of Camilla and her two girls make it most unlikely to see an old-fashioned Borbone - Borbone union for the sake of the House. But one never knows... When the Castro claim os weakened, it helps the Calabria claim, that is for sure.

[An Ard Ri]

The Calabria's are far more discreet than than the Castro's who seem more celebrity than royalty.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

The Calabria's are far more discreet than than the Castro's who seem more celebrity than royalty.

That is true but I think the Duke of Castro is a laissez-faire, laissez-passer type of guy: all what his three ladies do seems completely okay with him. I would have been more in Naples (a vibrant and fiery city with enormous social, economic, urban and crime problems) and engage in projects there. Better than jetsetting in milliardaires' paradises like Monaco. But okay, their choice. Not the wisest one, in my humble opinion.

[An Ard Ri]

The Duke of Calabria also holds the lesser title of Count of Caserta another title which is disputed.

[An Ard Ri]

Hola have published photos of separate photos of Prince Jaime de Borbón-Dos Sicilias and Lady Charlotte Lindesay-Bethune.

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...-compromiso/1/

[Somebody]

It looks like that's the only picture available of the future bride as that's the one that is included in all (the few) articles I've seen on the topic.

[HereditaryPrincess]

Princess Maria Carolina in St Tropez:

Maria Carolina de Bourbon-Deux-Siciles à Saint-Tropez – Noblesse & Royautés

[Biri]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

Hola have published photos of separate photos of Prince Jaime de Borbón-Dos Sicilias and Lady Charlotte Lindesay-Bethune.

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...-compromiso/1/

They plan to marry in Palermo in September next year:

https://eurohistoryjournal.blogspot....charlotte.html