Italian Noble and Princely Families 2: July 2007-

[MAfan]

Thank you, Count. I didn't know it, as you would have understood...

[Lakshmi]

Beatrice is real beauty even when dressed in buggy style.
This legitimacy/illegitimacy is really interesting. I understand that interview given by her is reliable source, so if she says that her parents were never married it must be true. But i the other hand many articles in Italian I found online say her mom was the count Carlo's second wife. And now I found this:
Borromeo 4
One of paragraphs in this genealogy says this:

"F3. Count Don Carlo, *Milano 8.12.1935; 1m: Milano 11.10.1974 Marion Sibille Zota (*Lübeck 30.6.1945); 2m: Paola Marzotto (*Portogruaro 25.5.1955)

• G1. [1m.] Donna Isabella, *Milano 3.2.1975
• G2. [1m.] Donna Lavinia–Ida, *Milano 10.3.1977
• G3. [1m.] Donna Matilde, *Milano 8.8.1983
• G4. [2m.] Donna Beatrice, *18.8.1985"

I understand "1m" and "2m" means marriage.
It doesn't mention Beatrice brother at all.

[HMTLove23]

3g) Carlo Ferdinando (b.Milan 8 Dec 1935); m.1st 11 Oct 1974 (div) Marion Sibylle Gabriele Zota (b.Lubecca 30 Jun 1945); m.2d Ctsa Paola Marzotto (b.25 May 1955)


1h) Isabella (b.Milan 3 Feb 1975); m.Isola Bella, Lake Maggiore24 Sep 2005 Ugo dei Conti Brachetti-Peretti

2h) Lavinia (b.Milan 10 Mar 1977); m.4 Sep 2004 John Jacob Elkann (b.1976)

3h) Matilde (b.Milan 8 Aug 1983)

4h) [by 2d m.] Beatrice (b.18 Aug 1985)

5h) Carlo

Borromeo

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by Lakshmi

Beatrice is real beauty even when dressed in buggy style.
This legitimacy/illegitimacy is really interesting. I understand that interview given by her is reliable source, so if she says that her parents were never married it must be true. But i the other hand many articles in Italian I found online say her mom was the count Carlo's second wife.

I agree with you, but I think that a daughter knows if her parents are married or not better then a site or a newspaper...

[Tosca]

Donna Isabella Borromeo at a party in Rome

Donna Isabella with Don Fabio of the Princes Borghese

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Countess Jacobella Caetani d'Aragona with Jack Huston

Countess Marta Marzotto (l) with a guest

[Carminha Stalker]

What an amazing article about Alessandra Borghesi. I´d love to read her book With New Eyes.

[Tosca]

Some pics of aristocrats attending the opening of a new shop in Rome:

Baroness Beatrice Saint-Just di Teulada with Benedetta Lignani Marchesani (marquise?)

Francesca of the Dukes Riario Sforza

Count Vibaldo della Croce di Dojola with a guest

[Al_bina]

Originally Posted by Tosca

Some pics of aristocrats attending the opening of a new shop in Rome: ... Francesca of the Dukes Riario Sforza ... [snipped]

WOW!!! It is great to learn that there are still descendants of the Sforza House. Do descendants reside in Milan?

[Tosca]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

WOW!!! It is great to learn that there are still descendants of the Sforza House. Do descendants reside in Milan?

As far as I know they must be living in Rome.

[Al_bina]

Oh well... Rome is as good as Milan ... I assumed that the Sforzas lived in Milan since they used to rule it. I have read a couple of books about the Sforza family and the Medici family. The both Houses are truly fascinating. Are there any descendants of the Medicis?

[MAfan]

Was Sen. Carlo Sforza (1872-1952) a descendant of Sforza Family? Does someone know if he really was a Count or not (I read that he wasn't it, but more other sources report he was a count)?

[Count]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

Oh well... Rome is as good as Milan ... I assumed that the Sforzas lived in Milan since they used to rule it. I have read a couple of books about the Sforza family and the Medici family. The both Houses are truly fascinating. Are there any descendants of the Medicis?

There are many branches of Medici family, who ruled Tuscany, the senior is Medici di Toscana, Princes of Ottajano, than we have the Medici-Tornaquinci, Marquis of Castellina. There is also a family from Milan, Medici di Marignano, but it seems they do not come from the ruling Medici.

Sforza: the politician Carlo Sforza was not noble, even if sometimes people called him with this title.
The Sforza family does not exist anymore, even if it continues through the Riario-Sforza and Counts Cesarini-Sforza. There is also a family in Bologna (with the title of Noble), who has no links with the one from Milan.

[Al_bina]

Thanks a lot for the information!
I visited "Masters of Florence: Glory and Genius at the Court of the Medici" exhibition in 2004. It was truly amazing to see all the artefacts exhibited, thereby clearly visusalising the atmosphere of those times. I think that namely the Medici largely forwarded the evolution of Florence as the cultural and commercial centre in Europe not only through banking and commerce, but through art. Because of the Medici as well as other families like them, today we are able to enjoy masterpieces by Raphael, Donatello, Botticelli, Michelangelo, and Leonardo da Vinci. It was one great family. However, I would not put them on pedestal because they were Machiavellian rulers, who deployed usual cruel methods to govern their people. It is worth noting that the times were not exactly peaceful, and the Medici, like any other prominent affluent Italian family, had to use all methods available to protect themselves from being poisoned or assassinated.
I was informed that direct descendants of the Medici family do not exist any more and most of the treasures exhibited were bequeathed by Anna Maria Luisa de'Medici, the last Grand Duchess, to the Florentine state. Thus, it is nice to learn that some minor branches of this great family still exist.

[Next Star]

Al bina your story sounds great truly having the chance to visit Italy and learning the history of this country and extinct noble families must have been exciting.Thanks to those who posted pictures and information on Italian nobles.

[Tosca]

Here you can find an article with a picture of today's Lorenzo de' Medici: according to his bio, he's one of the last descendants from the historical family that ruled Florence.

He was born in Catanzaro (Calabria), he has a university degree in Political Science, and is fluent in three languages. He took part in a TV reality show called "Wild West" a couple of years ago. The show was a total fiasco, and Lorenzo disappeared from the screen since.

[MAfan]

I remember him, and "Wild west"...Of which branch of the Family is a descendant?

[Tosca]

Donna Alessandra of the Princes Borghese received the "Silver Rose Prize" as the author of most interesting books concerning the Catholic Faith subjects, in a ceremony held by the Knights of Mercy in Rome.

Donna Alessandra with Prince Urbano Barberini Colonna di Sciarra Riario Sforza, Donna Benedetta Borghese, and Marquise Benedetta Balestra di Mottola

Prince Urbano Barberini with Marquise Benedetta Balestra di Mottola

All pictures are from dagospia/ U. Pizzi da Zagarolo

[Count]

Originally Posted by MAfan

I remember him, and "Wild west"...Of which branch of the Family is a descendant?

Hereudner the two "young" Lorenzos, i.e. born after 1970, of the Medici families:

1. Lorenzo de Medici di Ottaiano, born in Naples 1981, son of Don Giovanni Battista de Medici di Ottaiano, Head of the House, Prince of Ottaiano and Duke of Sarno;

2. Lorenzo de Medici di Marignano (Melegnano close to Milan), born in Milan 1994, of the family of the Marquis of Marignano.

As you can see nobody was born and lives in Lamezia, he could be a branch not recognised of the family or a homonymous, who plays the game of descendent in the media circus of the television...

[Tosca]

Originally Posted by Count

As you can see nobody was born and lives in Lamezia, he could be a branch not recognised of the family or a homonymous, who plays the game of descendent in the media circus of the television...

Thanks for making things clear: there's plenty of people that claims to have a noble title, only because they bear a particular surname. Actually Medici is a very common family name all over Emilia Romagna and Tuscany.
I know quite a few of them...

[Next Star]

Nice pictures of Princess Alexandra Borghese recieving her award. And everyone along with her is very happy which is great too.Almost everytime I come on this thread there is someone claiming to be noble and their not even related to the family.
They need to get take some self motivation classes to make themselves feel better without making these false claims.