Italian Noble and Princely Families 2: July 2007-

[amedea]

Giovanni is Luca's second cousin.
Giovanni and the Cardinal are second cousins once removed.

[Donna Mia]

Thanks Amedea for the details.

I was also under the impression that Luca was involved with a with a wine venture as well. There has been a few changes within the clan lately. Lapo's brother took the top spot at FIAT, of which Luca was the former chairman, and I heard that Luca may be making a bigger bid on politics too.

[amedea]

Originally Posted by Donna Mia

Thanks Amedea for the details.

I was also under the impression that Luca was involved with a with a wine venture as well. There has been a few changes within the clan lately. Lapo's brother took the top spot at FIAT, of which Luca was the former chairman, and I heard that Luca may be making a bigger bid on politics too.

From 1984 to 1986 he was CEO of the Cinzano international, a spirits and sparkling wine company owned by Agnelli family as almost all the companies he worked in. His appointement there, however, was a kind of punishment for asking cash to people who wanted to be introduced to his boss, Gianni Agnelli.

[Warren]

It's obvious that once again, agendas are being played out in this thread in support of debunked claims of nobility.
While the Administrators investigate further, posts pushing such claims will be removed.

Warren
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[Donna Mia]

Originally Posted by amedea

From 1984 to 1986 he was CEO of the Cinzano international, a spirits and sparkling wine company owned by Agnelli family as almost all the companies he worked in. His appointement there, however, was a kind of punishment for asking cash to people who wanted to be introduced to his boss, Gianni Agnelli.

I don't understand your statement. Wouldn't an appointment in a company be a good thing, how can that be punishment?

[amedea]

Originally Posted by Donna Mia

I don't understand your statement. Wouldn't an appointment in a company be a good thing, how can that be punishment?

He probably had a more powerfull position before.

[Donna Mia]

Do you mean a more powerful position in the auto industry, and moving to the wine industry was seen as a demotion?

[amedea]

Originally Posted by Donna Mia

Do you mean a more powerful position in the auto industry, and moving to the wine industry was seen as a demotion?

Exactly. This and other mistakes he made in the past may be the reason why he's thinking twice before entering politics.

[Donna Mia]

It seems like a run for politics would just be another "feather in his cap". It would probably be more profitable to continue as an industrialist, and with Agnelli long gone, he appears to be the top person now. But what about John Elkann? Is he holding all the others in the clan, hostage- so to say. I think all of the money went to him, and Lapo was trying to push the brand "Italia Independente", but it never really took off...especially with sunglasses costing 1200 euros or so.

[amedea]

It looks like Montezemolo is going to be an industrialist mainly with its own money now (his railway company will start working soon) while John Elkann will be the leader in the Agnelli's group. The thinks experts are interested in nowadays is if the group's core business will continue to be the automotive industry and the role that John's cousin Andrea Agnelli will play. Andrea was excluded at a certain point but now he is back in Juventus and he can also take Montezemolo's role in Ferrari.
Lapo had an important role in marketing for a while, then his problems with drugs and prostitues made the family exclude him from the business.

[Donna Mia]

Yes, interesting. I think Ferrari may end up becoming like Lamborghini, just a brand name but not really solely Italian if fully bought out by other foreign companies.

It looks like Montezemolo is pretty much interested in his own thing and will leave the Agnelli group to the Elkann's, but what do you think, when Montezemolo goes will it all fall apart? I don't really know if John or Lapo really has that much business ability to really do much, they both seem to have everything that they have just handed to them on a platter- they really didn't earn anything on talent and pure ability alone- it was mostly inherited.

[DAWillis]

A follow up to my post regarding the Poeti-Marentini claim to be descended from Ernst von Wallberg/Skublics.

I have been contacted by email by a gentleman who says his name (Mario Poeti-Marentini) had been used without his knowledge to pormote the claim we have discussed before. Apparently it was this discussion and others like it that brought the matter to his attention. He has told me he has turned the matter over to the appropriate authorities in Italy.

He has asked that I convey his assertion that he had no involvement with the phony foundation and the false claims being made about his ancestry. Apparently the Italian authorites have shut down the "Gräfin Alice" website and are pursuing charges against the culprit(s).

I would like to point out that this family has a noble ancestry of its own and does not have a need to manufacture one.

So where it stands now, Heinrich von Wallberg remains a childless batchelor at death.

Thanks
Dan Willis

[amedea]

Originally Posted by Donna Mia

Yes, interesting. I think Ferrari may end up becoming like Lamborghini, just a brand name but not really solely Italian if fully bought out by other foreign companies.

It looks like Montezemolo is pretty much interested in his own thing and will leave the Agnelli group to the Elkann's, but what do you think, when Montezemolo goes will it all fall apart? I don't really know if John or Lapo really has that much business ability to really do much, they both seem to have everything that they have just handed to them on a platter- they really didn't earn anything on talent and pure ability alone- it was mostly inherited.

They just need to choose good advisors and they will never have economical problems. The only thing they really have to choose it's if the want just to make their money grow (mainly with finance) or if they want to continue the industrial traditions of the family.

[Tosca]

To those of you who asked for news and pics of Prince and Princess Ruspoli: here they were pictured at a party in a spa village near Rome. (source U. Pizzi/dagospia)

Princess Maria Pia

Prince Lilio Sforza Ruspoli

The Prince and his wife

[amedea]

Leonardo Visconti di Modrone, a member of the highest Italian nobility is the new ambassador to Spain. He was received by the king few days ago. http://www.casareal.es/noticias/imag...les_italia.jpg

[georgiea]

Originally Posted by Tosca

To those of you who asked for news and pics of Prince and Princess Ruspoli: here they were pictured at a party in a spa village near Rome. (source U. Pizzi/dagospia)

Like your avatar Tosca. How many years difference in the couples ages?

[MAfan]

Prince Sforza is 23 years older than his wife; now he's 83 and she 60.

[Vittoria Rossi]

Does anyone know if there was a Duke or Count, conflicting info on the status, of Parma by the name of Pier Maria Rossi (1413 -1482)? Back during the Renaissance he built a castle, two actually, one named Rocca Dei Rossi (1466) at San Secondo the other Castello Di Torrechiara (1448-1460) if this helps. And if you do, do you know if he died there or moved south to say the Cheiti Provence or any family move there? I really appreciate any info and help.

[Tosca]

Originally Posted by Vittoria Rossi

Does anyone know if there was a Duke or Count, conflicting info on the status, of Parma by the name of Pier Maria Rossi (1413 -1482)? Back during the Renaissance he built a castle, two actually, one named Rocca Dei Rossi (1466) at San Secondo the other Castello Di Torrechiara (1448-1460) if this helps. And if you do, do you know if he died there or moved south to say the Cheiti Provence or any family move there? I really appreciate any info and help.

Pier Maria Rossi died inside the castle of Torrechiara on the Appennine.
The other castle situated in Roccabianca, still in the province of Parma, now belongs to a friend of mine, whose family bought it some decades ago. But they aren't aristocrats, nor related to that Rossi family.
Anyway the family name 'Rossi' is Italy's most common surname, and is hardly ever related to nobility.

PS: Thanx for moving this. You know, I'm no longer a mod... ;-)

[Borghese]

Any other Borghese's here ? I'm looking for some long lost relatives in the Dipignano (Southern Italy) area in the 1800's ..... Orazio Borghese 1875-1921
Also how did the Borghese's end up in Siena in 1300's - Where did they come from before that ??? Wool merchants from India ? Varghese ?