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04-03-2021, 08:28 AM
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The two princesses are young and as young people today they have their ideas and aspirations as it should be.
I don't think they don't behave well, quite the contrary. Indeed they are very respectful of their role so much so that it is not that they are always at the center of gossip considering that so far very little has been said about them, they care about their confidentiality and privacy but it is also right that they make themselves heard when they have to present their opinion.
The Savoy dynasty in Italy but also in France and Switzerland are celebrities, and are committed to remembering the illustrious past of their family, but it makes no sense that they fight for the monarchical cause, when the monarchy will never return to Italy and the Savoy House know this well.
However the Savoy dynasty are also very involved in social and humanitarian causes.
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04-14-2021, 06:22 AM
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04-17-2021, 02:44 AM
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The background details in the love story about Clotilde and Emanuele Filiberto are touching.
I especially like the wedding picture with the pretty light pink roses in the bouquet.
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04-24-2021, 02:02 PM
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EF is looking rather tired (and old) on the pictures without mask.
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04-26-2021, 04:58 AM
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Prince Emanuele Filiberto receive the coronavirus vaccine today in Monaco
https://scontent.fath3-3.fna.fbcdn.n...eb&oe=60AB8478
Message from Princess Vittoria to the French President Emmanuel Macron for an equal baccalaureate for all.
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05-01-2021, 06:08 AM
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Wonderful video! Princess Vittoria is beautiful, courageous, resolute and energetic.
Article about Princess Vittoria of Savoy and her message of to the French President Emmanuel Macron for an equal baccalaureate for all:
https://www.repubblica.it/moda-e-bea...sse-298489498/
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05-03-2021, 07:04 AM
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On April 27 Prince Emanuele Filiberto attended the last episode of the Maurizio Costanzo show 2021:
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An article in today's New York Times about Princess Vittoria of Italy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/09/w...y-royalty.html
Some intersting quotes. They also interviewed the Aosta-branch, who does not approve of the elevation of Vittoria as heiress of the family. Or in the words of the Prince of Venice:
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He scorns cousins who, he said, were never important enough to even exile, and who, having failed in their efforts to supplant his father and him, were now targeting his daughter.
“They were thinking that me, not having any sons, they would finally have what they were waiting for, for 150 years,” but his father foiled their plans.
“They got screwed,” he said. “And they got pissed.”
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A local historian thinks that the elevation has to do with money, as the head of the family can bestow titles/orders on those who are willing to pay - something I suspected was the reason for the Castro-debacle a few years ago. Note that this was denied by the prince of Venice in the article.
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05-11-2021, 01:10 PM
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A local historian thinks that the elevation has to do with money...
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How bourgeoise! 
But I wonder, how much money one can make by selling dubious titles.
Anyway: Thank you for linking this article, Marengo! Very informative!
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05-12-2021, 12:40 PM
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Very interesting this part:
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The Savoias, like newly enlightened non-despots, insist that money has nothing to do with it and that they have only high-minded motivations for changing the order of succession, like embracing European Union values and boosting women’s rights. Emanuele Filiberto is currently creating a Crown-like series about his grandmother, Queen Marie-José.
“Totally antifascist,” he said.
“A great antifascist,” echoed Vittoria, who called her a role model.
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05-12-2021, 12:42 PM
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05-12-2021, 12:55 PM
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A local historian thinks that the elevation has to do with money, as the head of the family can bestow titles/orders on those who are willing to pay - something I suspected was the reason for the Castro-debacle a few years ago. Note that this was denied by the prince of Venice in the article.
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IMO all these "pretender fights" happen because of money, benefits, advantages. And of course they wouldn't admit it  .
And it's always like that, when there are no male available or there are only daughter, people suddenly remember gender equality  .
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05-13-2021, 06:33 AM
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05-13-2021, 08:58 AM
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How bourgeoise!
But I wonder, how much money one can make by selling dubious titles.
Anyway: Thank you for linking this article, Marengo! Very informative! |
I don't have any proof that they "sell titles" as you claim, but the Savoy orders are very active and frequently awarded. Even in North America, there are many recipients. Some of the Savoy orders, of course, like the Order of the Most Holy Annunciation or the Order of the Saints Maurice and Lazarus, are part of the cultural heritage of Europe (dating back to the Middle Ages) and it is a shame that they are not recognized by the Italian Republic.
On the question of "dubious titles", honors such as orders of chivalry or titles of nobility currently can normally be conferred exclusively by a head of state as a legitimate “Fount of Honors” (in Latin, Fons Honorum), or by authority of the same. Generally speaking, private organizations or individuals can no longer award nobility or knighthood independently of a sovereign state, although international law normally recognizes the right specifically of heads of non-reigning (deposed) royal houses to continue to award orders of chivalry that were bestowed by their dynastic ancestors as sovereign monarchs since such honors proceed from a legitimate Fons Honorum that was not extinguished with the disappearance of the respective monarchy. That holds even in situations where the republics that succeeded the defunct monarchy do not recognize the former royal honors in their domestic law, but it does not extend, in my humble opinion, to the creation by heads of non-reigning royal houses of new honors after the end of the monarchy since, as private individuals, they no longer possess the prerogative of Fons Honorum.
If you apply the standard in my previous paragraph, the Savoy pretender has a legitimate right to award orders that existed prior to the creation of the Italian Republic such as the Annunziata, the order of the Saints Maurice and Lazarus, or the Civil Order of Savoy. I don't think he has the legitimacy, however, to create new orders such as the Order of Merit of the House of Savoy (which apparently replaced the Order of the Crown of Italy), or to bestow titles of nobility. Again, that is just my opinion; I know legitimists disagree and believe that heads of non-reigning royal houses are still Founts of Honors in their own right.
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05-13-2021, 10:55 AM
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I don't have any proof that they "sell titles" as you claim...
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Oh, I was just repeating, what the article of the NY Times (see post #891) and in that one a certain historian were claiming. Is this trustworthy, this claim? Well, that is, why I was wondering, how much monies can be made with the selling of such "honors".
(If I look back to The Godfather - Part Three.... with this title from the Vatican for Michael Corleone, then a lot... )
I hope, this clarifies my post at least. And thank you for yours - I learned something from it.
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