HRH Duke Carlos Javier (1970- ) and the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma: August 2010-

[Kandilka]

Originally Posted by rominet09

I'd love to see a pic of the son to see if he looks like his father

You will find pictures of the young man by clicking the links.

I was also curious about his looks. I think he still has a lot of a young boy's features and I can't see any similarities to his father.

I hope Miss Klynstra is doing well

[zarat]

Originally Posted by rominet09

I'd love to see a pic of the son to see if he looks like his father

This article contains the photo of the boy.
Olanda: nato da relazione del cugino del re con un’amica d’infanzia vince battaglia legale, sarà principe - Corriere.it

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by Katrianna

Sorry, the link doesn't work. Netty wrote that she was contacted by another Nobiliana member that she had seen Gitte many times since 2010 and is another Royal photographer. Another member confirmed she was, indeed alive and the news first reported was incorrect.

Indeed, also newspaper "De Volkskrant" posted a rectification on the matter
https://www.volkskrant.nl/opinie/omb...fout~a4557059/

(tried google translate on this link but get a cookie message everytime, if someone knows of a translation workaround?)

[rominet09]

Originally Posted by Kandilka

You will find pictures of the young man by clicking the links.

I was also curious about his looks. I think he still has a lot of a young boy's features and I can't see any similarities to his father.

I hope Miss Klynstra is doing well

Thank you !

[Marengo]

The Telegraaf has a photo of Hugo Klynstra and his mother. Tomorrow morning the counsel of State will give a final ruling and he will know if he can call himself a prince or not.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/1728...-illusie-armer

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Marengo

The Telegraaf has a photo of Carlos and his mother. Tomorrow morning the counsel of State will give a final ruling and he will know if he can call himself a prince or not.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/1728...-illusie-armer

The Counsel ruled today Roderick can call himself a Prince de Borbon de Parme...It's just a name,he is not an heir in any which way...wel well Roderick Sybren...and what's next?

[Marengo]

The Telegraaf knows what will NOT be next... their headline today says "Prince doesn't get a penny". Oddly enough they explain to their readers that he will not get a state allowance. As neither Pss Irene nor Prince Carlos get one I am not sure who thought that Hugo Klynstra would get one.

There can not be an appeal to the ruling of the Counsel of State, so the title is definite.

https://www.ad.nl/show/buitenechteli...emen~aae9749a/

https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland...arme~a4574471/

The newspapers speculate WHY the new prince want a title and name of a father that he does not know. They all conclude it must be a opportunistic choice: it is lucrative to have a title and that it gives access to certain people.

[Skippy]

It can also be a matter of principle. The guy can't help and is not to blame for what happened between his parents. He is the son of a De Bourbon de Parme, so he has the rights to the name and before this verdict he had the right to fight for the name, as he did. And now the battle is won - he can wear the name and use it.

I find it cynical to automatically assume that he must have less-than-noble motives for it. That can be possible, of course, but I prefer to look at the more positive side.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Skippy

It can also be a matter of principle. The guy can't help and is not to blame for what happened between his parents. He is the son of a De Bourbon de Parme, so he has the rights to the name and before this verdict he had the right to fight for the name, as he did. And now the battle is won - he can wear the name and use it.

I find it cynical to automatically assume that he must have less-than-noble motives for it. That can be possible, of course, but I prefer to look at the more positive side.

A Surname does not necessarily imply a title.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Cory

A Surname does not necessarily imply a title.

According to the Law of Nobility from 1994 the illegitimate children of nobles are entitled to claim the name and titles of their father. Thats what has been confirmed for Hugo today.

[iceflower]

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Here are some photos of the delivery of the judgement in Den Haag today, February 28:


** ppe gallery **

[Cory]

The decision ignores the rules of the House of Bourbon-Parme.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by Cory

A Surname does not necessarily imply a title.

I said the rights to the name De Bourbon de Parme, I did not say the rights to the title of His Royal Highness Prince Hugo.

Originally Posted by JR76

According to the Law of Nobility from 1994 the illegitimate children of nobles are entitled to claim the name and titles of their father. Thats what has been confirmed for Hugo today.

That's what I meant. Thank you.

[rominet09]

Delighted ! Really !

[maria-olivia]

I suppose he will not be Member of the Dutch Royal family?

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Cory

The decision ignores the rules of the House of Bourbon-Parme.

Hugo is confirmed as a member of the into the Dutch Nobility incorporated family of Bourbon-Parma and entitled to carry its title of Prince and Royal Highness but since the Dutch Law has no jurisdiction over the titles, succession to & name of the Duchy of Parma you are right in that he is not considered a member of that former ruling house. All a bit confusing but legal.

[maria-olivia]

Cory, Prince Michel of Bourbon Parme had a natural daughter with Laure le Bourgois.
She is tittled Prince Amelie de Bourbon Parme and married Igor Bagdanoff.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

I suppose he will not be Member of the Dutch Royal family?

He won't be a member of the House of Bourbon Parma either.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Explanation by the Raad van State (est. 1531 - the highest advisor of the Government as well the supreme Court of Adminsitraton - The King is president of this High College of State):

The Nobility Act
In 1996 Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme was incorporated into the Nobility of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The title of Prince and the predicate Royal Highness and the surname De Bourbon de Parme were established to him and his male descendants. As a result, the Nobility Act is applicable to Hugo Klynstra and the title and the predicate proceeds automatically with the change of surname. The way in which the paternity of the child has been established does not matter for the Nobility Act, is confirmed by the Raad van State.

The Royal House De Bourbon de Parme
The change of surname does not mean that Hugo Klynstra is now also a member of the Royal House De Bourbon de Parme. That is a private matter of the House itself. The Nobility Act has no jurisdiction about that.

The Royal House of the Netherlands
Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme is no member of the Royal House of the Netherlands. The change of the surname of his extramarital son therefore has no effect concerning the Royal House of the Netherlands.

Background
Hugo Klynstra was born in 1997. He is an extramarital son of Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme. When he was born, he got the surname of his mother: Klynstra. When Hugo Klynstra came of age, he filed a request to the Minister of Justice for a change of the surname. The Minister agreed to this request in 2015.

Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme objected to this decision at the Court of Justice of The Hague. In November 2016 the Court ruled that the objections of Prince Carlos against the name change could not succeed. In today's ruling, the Raad van State confirms that judgment of the Court.

https://www.raadvanstate.nl/pers/per...&category_id=8

[Katrianna]

Isn't the son born legitimately to Carlos Javier named Carlos also. This is going to be confusing to the public who aren't as informed as Royal and Noble watchers.