HRH Duke Carlos Hugo (1930-2010) and the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma

[Maura724]

Originally Posted by MAfan

I wonder what could have been her purpose in announcing a pregnancy that was not...

I've never heard anything about Irene announcing a pregnancy and not actually being pregnant, so I can't make much of an argument about what her motives may or may not have been. However, my assumption would be that she wasn't making it up and did truly believe she was pregnant - it's not really the sort of thing that it would be very intelligent to lie about, since you'll obviously be found out when you don't produce a baby in nine months. There's a medical condition known as false pregnancy, or pseudocyesis, in which a woman presents all the symptoms of being pregnant, to the point where doctors often diagnose a pregnancy and she can sometimes even feel a "baby" moving inside, but isn't actually pregnant. It usually happens for psychological reasons with women who desperately want to be pregnant, which could have been the case with Irene - since they had their first child six years in, it's possible they had trouble conceiving. These women always sincerely believe they're pregnant; they're not lying or pretending and there are actual physical changes in their bodies. Here's a wikipedia article about the condition:

False pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not saying this was definitely the case for Irene, it would just be my guess at what might have happened if there was a pregnancy announced but there was no miscarriage and no baby.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Well, I think in their days the French king had a personal lifestyle that was equally or more shocking than that of Jeff Koons. With various mistresses, extra marital children and whatnot.

Hmm,yes,but the french Kings made a lot of illigitimate children,quite usual at the time and nothing that was thought of as being strange,contrary,it was an honour to have the king topple you over.

But this sort of screaming and downright ugly art really is almost sacrilidge to the Palais de Versailles.I think.
It is just about Koons,a bubble of air,not about art or respect

[Alberto2244]

Prince Sixte-Henri was or still is in Brazil. He came for the party of night of autographs of book writen by a minor socialite on etiquete.
The party took place in the small town of Florianópolis

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Alberto2244

Prince Sixte-Henri was or still is in Brazil. He came for the party of night of autographs of book writen by a minor socialite on etiquete.
The party took place in the small town of Florianópolis

I was aware of that.A minor socialite,how fitting.....

[MAfan]

I wonder if anyone has informations about Princess Margarete of Bourbon-Parma, whe widow of Prince Gaetano (the youngest son of the late Duke Roberto).
I guess she is still alive, in november she turns 100 years, and I guess she is the oldest living member of the European Royal Families.
She was born in 1909, the daughter of Prince Alessandro Carlo della Torre e Tasso, Duke of Castel Duino, of the italian branch of Thurn und Taxis Family, and his wife Marie, née Princesse de Ligne. She married in Paris in 1931 Prince Gaetano, with whom she had a daughter, Diane. They divorced in 1955.
Any other information?
Thanks

[Marsel]

Margarete, Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis was born on 8 November 1909 at Château de Beloeil in Belgium. Her full name is Marguerite Marie Therese Eilsabeth Frederike Alexandrine Luise, Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis. Princess Margarete is the sister of Prince Raimundo della Torre e Tasse, 2nd Duca di Castel Duino.

She is still alive and is 99 years old (her 100th birthday is in November). I’m not sure whether she can be considered Prince Gaetano’s widow as they had divorced in 1950 in France, 8 years before his death. Actually, they had first divorced in 1940 in Hungary, however after doubts were raised about the legality of divorce, they decided to give another chance to their marriage, before finally divorcing in 1950 (in France).
Their only daughter, Diana, was born in 1932.

Princess Margarete is the oldest-surviving Royal (at 99), ahead of Infanta Maria Adelaide of Portugal (who is 97) and Archduke Otto of Austria (who is 96, turning 97 in November).
She is also the 3rd oldest Royal in History, after the Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester (who was 102 at the time of her death) and Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother (who was 101 at the time of her death).

She currently resides in France, although occasional visits (or used to visit) Belgium and Italy.

[lucien]

New pictures were released of HRH Princess Margarita de Bourbon Parma with Tjalling and dear Julia,a lovely family:

ANP Beeldbank

courtesy Martine Berendsen.

So glad that all are so happy now.

[Marengo]

princess Birgitte of Bourbon-Parma, née Countess of Holsein Ledreborg, died on August 21st. She will be burried in the Ledreborg family chapel on August 28th. She married prince Jacques of Bourbon-Parma in 1947, and is a sister-in-law of Queen Anne of Roumania. Her brother Knud married princess Marie-Gabriella of Luxembourg.

[maria-olivia]

Marengo ,
Could you gave more informations about her mother Margareta born Princess of Danemark who married Prince René of Bourbon Parme.
How many children did they have ?
Michel husband of Maria Pia of Savoie, Anne Queen of Roumanie , the husband of the late Princess Brigitte and ??

[Warren]

Here is the Online-Gotha for Parma

[Marsel]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Marengo ,
Could you gave more informations about her mother Margareta born Princess of Danemark who married Prince René of Bourbon Parme.
How many children did they have ?
Michel husband of Maria Pia of Savoie, Anne Queen of Roumanie , the husband of the late Princess Brigitte and ??

Princess Margaret of Denmark and Prince René of Bourbon-Parma had 4 children:

1) Prince Jacques of Bourbon-Parma - was married to Countess Birgitte von Holstein-Ledreborg. As per Online Gotha for Parma (posted by Warren), they had 3 children:
* Philipp Georg Karl Valdemar René Joseph Marie - married Annette Smith. Their children are: Jacques Carl Christian Marie and Joseph Axel Alain Eric Marie
* Lorraine Charlotte Tatjana Ebba Johanna Maria Antonia Josephine Renée. No issue
* Alain Johann Knud Bernhard Felix Maria René Joseph - married Inge Birgitte Vedel Andersen. No issue.
An enthusiast in motorsports, he was killed in a car accident in 1964. During the World War II, the Prince volunteered for and was accepted by the Royal Norwegian Air Force. He was trained as pilot in camp “Little Norway” in Canada, however he did not see active service during the war as it ended too soon for him to be able to join the Norwegian Forces in Europe. After the war, he was a pilot in Det danske Luftfartselskab (Danish Airlines) for some time.

2) Princess Anne of Bourbon-Parma - married King Michael of Romania. Their children are:
* Princess Margarita of Romania - married Radu Duda (who was later created Prince Radu of Hohenzollern-Veringen). No issue. Princess Margarita is first in the line of the Romanian Throne. Margarita's Heiress Presumptive is her younger sister, Princess Elena.
* Princess Elena of Romania - married first Dr. Leslie Robin Medforth-Mills and then Alexander Philips Nixon McAteer. She has issue from first marriage - Nicholas Michael de Roumanie Medforth-Mills and Elizabeth Karina de Roumanie Medforth-Mills. In 2007, King Michael signed the "Fundamental Rules Of The Royal Family Of Romania", where, among other things, he announced that Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills (who will one day be the Heir to the Romanian Throne and is only second in line after his own mother) will assume the title, style and rank of Prince of Romania and Royal Highness upon his 25th birthday (on April 1, 2010) or upon the death of King Michael of Romania, whichever happens first.
* Princess Irina of Romania - married John Kreuger. Their children are Michael de Roumanie Kreuger and Angelica de Roumanie Kreuger.
* Princess Sophie of Romania - married Alain Michel Léonce Biarneix. Their daughter is Elisabeta-Maria Biarneix.
* Princess Maria of Romania - married Kazimierz Wieslaw Mystkowski. No issue

3) Prince Michel - was firstly married to Yolande de Broglie-Revel and then to Maria Pia of Savoy. Their children are:
* Princess Ines of Bourbon-Parma - died from a drug overdose in 1981 (aged 29)
* Prince Eric of Bourbon-Parma - married Countess Lydia von Holstein-Ledreborg. They had 5 children: Antonia Monique of Bourbon-Parma (born 1981), Marie Gabrielle of Bourbon-Parma (born 1982), Alexia Thérèse of Bourbon-Parma (born 1985), Michel Knud of Bourbon-Parma (born 1989) and Henri Luitpold of Bourbon-Parma (born in 1991).
* Princess Sybil Marie of Bourbon-Parma - married Craig Richards. No issue.
* Princess Victoire Maria of Bourbon-Parma - was married first to Baron Ernst von Gecmen Waldek and then to Carlos Ernesto Rodriguez. Their children are: Tatiana von Gecmen Waldek (married to Miichael Berger-Sandhofer, has issue: Alexander Berger-Sandhofer and Balthazar Berger-Sandhofer) and Vincent-Nicholas Frhr von Gecmen-Waldek.
* Prince Charles Emmanuel of Bourbon-Parma - married Constance de Ravinel. They have 4 children: Amaury Yves, Charlotte Alexe, Elisabeth Flore and Zita Angélique.

4) Prince André Marie of Bourbon-Parma - married Marina Gacry. Their children are:
* Axel - married Raphaële de Montagnon. They have two children: Côme and Alix
* Sophie - married Gilbert Silly dit Gilbert Bécaud. They have two children: Marguerite Bécaud, Héléna Bécaud and Dagmar Bécuad
* Astrid - not married and no issue.


Princess Margaret had the distinction of being the oldest member of the Danish Royal House before her death in 1992, aged 97 (the Princess died a day after her 97th birthday and on the day of her daughter, Queen Anne's birthday). She still remains the longest lived member of the DRH.

[maria-olivia]

Great work Marsel,
Prince Jacques and Princess Brigitte had no children like Prince André and Princess Marina ?.

[Marsel]

To my best knowledge, they didn't. However I have just read the Online-Gotha for Parma (which can be found in Warren's post), and according to it, they did have 3 children.

1) Philipp Georg Karl Valdemar René Joseph Marie - married Annette Smith. Their children are:
* Jacques Carl Christian Marie
* Joseph Axel Alain Eric Marie

2) Lorraine Charlotte Tatjana Ebba Johanna Maria Antonia Josephine Renée. No issue
3) Alain Johann Knud Bernhard Felix Maria René Joseph - married Inge Birgitte Vedel Andersen. No issue.


I will update my post to include this information. Thanks to Warren for providing the accurate link.

[Zonk]

Wow...What a fascinating thread and family history.

I must admit that my limited knowledge the House of Bourbon Parma came from Queen Anne of Romania and Duke Carlos Hugo.

I had never heard about Prince Sixte-Henri !

[MAfan]

My condolences to the Ducal Family for the death of Princess Birgitte.

[MAfan]

Her Royal Highness Princess Maria Cristina of Bourbon-Parma died in Wien yesterday, 1st September 2009.
She was born in Wien on 7 June 1925, the youngest daughter and child of HRH Prince Elias, later Duke of Parma between 1950 and 1959, and his wife, née Archduchess Maria Anna of Austria; she was unmarried like all her siblings, except Princess Alice.
My condolences to the Ducal Family.

[Marsel]

My condolences to Princess Maria Cristina's family.
May she rest in peace.

[jonnydep]

[QUOTE=MAfan; she was unmarried like all her siblings, except Princess Alice.[/QUOTE]

alice had married prince alfonso, duke of calabria (died 1964) and thier son carlos is now considered to be the head of the royal house of the two sicillies, since he is the nearest male heir to the last king !!

[Pelayo]

Copy an article in Monarquia Confidencial


Fallece a los 84 años la princesa María Cristina de Borbón-Parma

viernes, 04 de septiembre de 2009


La princesa María Cristina era la hermana menor y la última que le quedaba viva a la infanta doña Alicia, madre del infante Don Carlos, duque de Calabria. Fue bautizada así en recuerdo de la reina María Cristina de España, segunda esposa de Alfonso XII, debido a que su madre María Ana era sobrina carnal de la Reina Regente.



Después de sufrir durante los últimos cuatro años de precaria salud, el pasado 1 de septiembre de 2009 falleció en Viena la princesa Maria Cristina Albertina Enrichetta Luisa Pia Carlotta de Borbón-Parma, nacida en Viena el 7 de junio de 1925, última de los ocho hijos de Elías de Borbón, duque de Parma y Piacenza, y de su esposa la archiduquesa María Ana de Austria-Teschen. Era nieta paterna del último duque reinante de Parma, Roberto I, y de su primera esposa la princesa María Pía de Borbón-Dos Sicilias. Y era nieta materna del archiduque Federico de Austria, duque de Teschen, comandante supremo del Ejército Austríaco durante la Primera Guerra Mundial, y de la princesa Isabel de Croÿ.
Sus parentescos con la realeza europea eran muy estrechos. Pongamos como ejemplos que por el lado paterno su tía María Luisa de Parma era la esposa del Fernando de Sajonia-Coburgo-Gotha, primero príncipe y luego rey de los Búlgaros; su tía Zita de Parma era la mujer del último emperador de Austria, Carlos I, o que su tío Félix de Parma fue el esposo de Carlota, gran duquesa de Luxemburgo, abuelos del actual gran duque reinante de ese pequeño país europeo.
Pertenecía por tanto, por varonía, a la Casa Ducal soberana de Parma, rama de los Borbones de España, que reinaron en ese territorio hasta la unificación italiana. Por su línea materna, era del linaje de los Austria-Teschen. El ducado de Teschen, en la Alta Silesia, perteneció a la Casa de Austria desde 1653 y era un territorio autónomo de la Corona de Bohemia, que recaía sobre los Habsburgo. A principios del siglo XVIII lo recibió Leopoldo, duque de Lorena, como compensación por los derechos de su abuela materna al ducado de Montferrato, que el emperador había cedido a los duques de Saboya. El emperador Francisco I lo cedió a su hija María Cristina, casada con el príncipe Alberto de Sajonia, desde entonces llamado duque de Sajonia-Teschen. Aunque la mayor parte de Silesia pasó a Prusia en 1742, Teschen permaneció bajo control de los Austria, fue parte del Imperio Austríaco desde 1804 y de Austria-Hungría desde 1867, siendo dividido entre Polonia y Checoslovaquia tras la Primera Guerra Mundial.
Alberto y María Cristina no tuvieron descendencia por lo que el ducado pasó a su hijo adoptivo el archiduque Carlos de Austria, comandante y reformador del ejército austríaco, hijo del emperador Leopoldo II y de María Luisa de España, que se convirtió en Duque de Teschen iniciando la rama Teschen de los Habsburgo-Lorena. El título pasó a su hijo Alberto Federico y en 1895 a su sobrino el archiduque Federico María, abuelo de la princesa María Cristina de Borbón-Parma.
La fallecida –que será incinerada- era solteria y muy conocida en la sociedad austríaca y alemana. En familia era llamada “tía Putz”. Y así la conocían los hijos y nietos de su hermana la infanta Alicia, madre del infante Don Carlos, duque de Calabria. Precisamente, a los actos fúnebres que se celebrarán el próximo día 10 de septiembre en la cripta de los Borbón-Parma, en la Mönichkirchen de la localidad austríaca de Pinggau, asistirá éste acompañado de su hijo el príncipe Pedro de Borbón-Dos Sicilias, Duque de Noto, y de su hija la princesa Cristina de Borbón-Dos Sicilias.

[maria-olivia]

They are lot of unmarried princes and princesses of Bourbon Parme.
Only two of the six children of Prince Xavier marrried : Princess Françoise and Prince Carlos Hugo.
Only one child of Carlos Hugo married and twice!
Princess Françoise has 4 children , 3 boys and 1 daugher . two of her sons died and her daughter is a nun.
Could somebody tell me if the only son of Francoise Lobkovich(!)has children ?