Death of HRH The Duke of Parma 18 August 2010

[lucien]

Originally Posted by lucien

The body of the late Duke has just left Amsterdam Schiphol airport on board the KBX government aircraft.

The body of the late Duke now lies in state in the Santa Maria di Campagna,Piacenza.

In S. Maria di Campagna la salma di Carlo Ugo di Borbone FOTO



The funeral of the late Duke will start at 12.15PM on saturday and the Knights of the Ordine Costantiniano
will be in charge of this solemn Holy Mass.

The Requiem will be conducted by four bishops,Enrico Solmi:bishop of Parma,Gianni Ambrosio:bishop of Piacenza,
Carlo Mazza:bishop of Fidenza and Adrianus van Luyn:bishop of Rotterdam,The Netherlands.

After the actual funeral the Inauguration of the new Duke of Parma will take place at the same church.The Dukes brother,
Prince Jaime,will grace his brother with the Collare dell'Ordine Costantiniano as a token he is the new Duke of Parma.

After this ceremony Duke Carlos Javier and Duchess Annemarie will gather with their family and the Knights
of the Order to receive the condolences by the guests.

[Tosca]

TV Parma's latest news programme has a report with an interview with the late Duke's son Carlo Saverio, who personally piloted the plane that brought his father's body back to Italy. Now I understand why there were two jet fighters flying over the Fiorenzuola area, when driving bcak home from France yesterday.

TVPARMA - SLIDESHOW - Tg Parma Click on the link next to the pic on your right hand side, which reads "Guarda l' ultima edizione del TG", and... be patient!

[maria-olivia]

Indeed, 11 minutes ! all his children were there and the some Knights of the Ordine Constantinio.
I wonder if people of Parma knew they had and have a Duke ?
I suppose, Tosca, that Tg Parma will show pics about the funerals.

[Tosca]

Surely TG Parma will air a report of the funeral, but I dubt there will be a full TV coverage of that event, since for the Parmesans themselves and all the other people living in the former Duchy the sovereign was, is,and still will be Marie Louise of Hapsburg, the second wife of Napoleon. In Italy the Bourbons conjure up with fiddling, bad government and other hateful things.

[lucien]

On the latter Tosca,that especially goes for the House Bourbon Two Sicilies which was a messy family,and less for the Bourbon Parma's.

[ElisaR]

In the news they said that the bishop of Piacenza won't celebrate the funeral because of other engagements.
They also said that some members of European royals families will attend the funeral, possibly including Queen Beatrix.

[amedea]

Is there a lot of media coverage about the duke in Parma and Piacenza? I couldn't find much on the internet. Actually I think this is a luck, since the army of the Italian republic welcoming the duke would surely, and quite fairly, arize a lot of criticism.
http://www.navecorsara.it/wp/2010/08...one-del-lutto/

[lucien]

Oh I don't think so Amedea,it was a mere courtesy both to the late Duke and to his former sister-in-law HM The Queen.

TRH The Prince of Orange and Princess Máxima will attend the funeral of their uncle this saturday,as well as
other members of the Dutch RF,not sure who else yet,but not HM The Queen.

[amedea]

Is that normal to use the army for "courtesy" reasons?
If the city councils want to spend money on that, that's fine because it's also about their identity, their history and their prestige (creating bonds with well known people). But the army it's different, IMO.

[lucien]

No,it's not different,they are already payed anyway by the government ofcourse,and might as well do something worthwhile in light of history,yes,courtesy and good bonds between two nations and with a Queen who spends an awfull lot of time in Bella Italia,and ofcourse the,like you say,bond with the past as it was their ruling RF once,It's a mix of factors.They've only made "use" of the army at the airport,
and only a handfull of 'm.All further honours will be performed by the Constantinian Order.

Today the body of the late Duke will be taken to Parma to lie in state.

Not the bishop of Rotterdam,Adriaan van Luyn,will be co-celebrant the Requiem,but HE Mgr.Bär,former
bishop of Rotterdam and close friend to the dutch RF.He was also the one that led the first wedding of
the late Dukes daughter Margarita.

[Tosca]

Amedea, I would have never imaged one day the 'Nave Corsara' website could land on TRF. Though we're based in the same city, I forgot about it...

Well, I was wondering about that myself, after learning the reason the two jetfighters were flying virtually over a circumscribed place. Why resort to the air force, to watch over a bunch of people (much with all respect to the dead and his family and friends), who have nothing to do with today's Italy. Prince Carlos Xavier hardly speaks Italian (he messes it with Spanish). Prince Meli Lupi has an interesting and long family tree, and a nice Castle, although short of cash... But he's a normal citizen of this Republic he likes it or not. So, again, why resort the air force? Don't forget that the money payed out by the city council. are the taxpayers' money. Why spend it for a person, whose family was expelled from the small country they'd ruled back in 1859. Who could be so crazy to perform a terror attack on some people that are almost unknown to the Italians?

The people of Parma never liked them, they ruined most of the work Maria Louise had done for her small Duchy. The Archduchess was an enlighted sovereign, that gave the Duchy of Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla, those reforms that enabled these provinces to still be the richest and most liveable in Italy, nearly a couple of centuries later.
Even though the Bourbon Parma weren't so horrible like their counterparts down South, they weren't much loved by their subjects.

[lucien]

I do hope you get over the loss of precious tax money in Silvio's Republic where so much goes by unnoticed that I would say how refreshing this is out in the open wouldn't you think.

And it is not just the B-P Family,but the guests from Reigning Houses and other dignitaries that do count to.
Members of our RF as well as the Grand Duke of Luxembourg or the Heriditary Grand Duke,the Luxembourg Court
hasn't decided yet.But today anything official goes with stringent safety messures,it's the time of silly people so one has to.

[amedea]

Also the fact of mantaining the Spanish flag and the Carlist hat was a mistake IMO. They identify Carlos Hugo as somebody who preferred the Spanish claim to the Parma one and also as a foreigner. People will think it's true that those families were actually foreigner ruling on them and not caring about them, as the traditional storiography often say.

Originally Posted by lucien

I do hope you get over the loss of precious tax money in Silvio's Republic where so much goes by unnoticed that I would say how refreshing this is out in the open wouldn't you think.

Lucien,
1- maybe abroad people think that Italian politics are so bad because Italians are very sensitive about their politicians wasting money and they say it loud. Actually reading your posts it seems that abroad people don't even notice when money is wasted, so maybe over there the same money is wasted but nobody notice!
2- if a lot of money is wasted that's not a good reason to waste more money.

[lucien]

Not that they will eat less for it nowadays.They won't.The titles and lands in the old old days were soo immensely dispersed,many had bits and pieces all over Europe,so no,nothing out of the ordinary to be the former Claimant to one,and a member of a former ruling family ruling land another too.History shows that happens often as I think you'd know.

True Amice!It's not wasted,Parma sees a revival of part of it's rich past,
and the revenue due to the people,press,guests it attracts etc etc brings
back pecunia in the bin.Nothing lost.But please,discussing pecunia in this
time is tres tres ordinair.We abroad think it is at least.

[amedea]

Of course that happens but if you want to be loved by someone you have to chose. Just think about the effort of the British Royal Family to delete the German surname etc.
Then, even if you don't want to choose, why being desplayed in a place with the flags of the other place? You can change those flag.
I have nothing against the Bourbon Parma family, I'm just saying how IMO they should behave to risk less criticism and to try to increase their popularity.

As I said before, all this can justify the city council expences, not the army ones. You thinks both the expences are justified. That's fine, we don't need to discuss this further.
BTW, just to let you know, I don't fear ordinariety.

[Tosca]

Ha, ha, that's funny! Parma is one of Europe's richest city: Barilla, Bormioli, Pinko, and lot's of trade fairs that attract businessmen from all over the world. Money are always welcome, but we wouldn't surely starve if the Duke had chosen to be buried somewhere else. People abroad think that we're a bunch of boorish people living among the Mau-mau.

Berlusconi has nothing to do with the decision the city council of Parma have taken. I think the money I pay to the Province where I live and to the Emilia-Romagna region could have been spent for the ordinary citizen's needs. I do not see the reason for having two jetfighters polluting the air of the already polluted Po Valley to protect the body of a person, who means nothing to the today's Parma/Piacenza/Emilian dwellers. That's why you didn't find much about CH in the local press.

Besides having the Spanish flag on the Duke's coffin shows that they still consider this land as their colony. They were never well liked in the past (Carlo III was killed by a subject), and they never will. Maria Louise promoted learning, the Burbouns closed the University: smart move!

[lucien]

Closing the university was hearly Carlos Hugo's fault was it.Please refrain from what doesn't belong in a thread concerning the death
of the late Duke,sounds like a family out at revenge at a funeral....grin...Prego.

[lucien]

As I mentioned before TRH The Prince of Orange and Princess Máxima will attend the funeral of the late Duke this saturday,as well as TRH Princess Irene-,Princess Margriet-,Prince Constantijn and Princess Laurentien of The Netherlands,Prince Friso and Princess Mabel of Orange Nassau and Prof.mr.Pieter van Vollenhoven,as well as TH Prince Maurits-,Prince Bernhard-,Prince Pieter-Christiaan-,Prince Floris- and
Princess Aimée of Orange Nassau van Vollenhoven will be in attendance.



Grand Duke Henri will attend the funeral as well,he is a cousin once removed of the late Duke,his grandfather,
Prince Felix de Bourbon Parma,was married to Grand Duchess Charlotte.

News Summary Royalblog.nl: Grand Duke Henri at funeral in Parma

courtesy hja

[lucien]

The remains have been moved to the S.Maria dell Steccata yesterday.

Moving tribute by Gazetta di Parma to Carlo Ugo di Borbone:

News Summary Royalblog.nl: Moving tribute to 'Carlo Ugo di Borbone'

courtesy hja



HE Giorgio Napolitano,President of Republic of Italy,will attend the funeral of the late Duke of Parma on saturday.
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[Tosca]

Originally Posted by lucien

Closing the university was hearly Carlos Hugo's fault was it.Please refrain from what doesn't belong in a thread concerning the death
of the late Duke,sounds like a family out at revenge at a funeral....grin...Prego.

I have nothing against the late Duke and his family. I was just referring to historical facts and why the people of Parma never mention the Burbons, but they do talk enthusiastically about Maria Louise instead, and all the good job she did for her tiny realm, and they will even talk about the Farnese family to some extent, but avoid mentioning the Bourbons. Can you explain this? I've been living there for a long time, and had to learn a bit about this city's and province's history. How can somebody living hundreds kilometers far from my home, judge all this?

I was commenting about the waste of money to resort to the Italian airforce to protect someone, who was/is almost totally unknown to the most of my fellow citizens? Why not use that money for a better cause? This man was the 'Duke of Parma', but what did he do for 'his' city? Did he promote any cultural events in Parma or was he involved in any charity work for Parma? Although this is luckily an affluent city, there's still somebody needing help. Fortunately the Parmesans are used to rolling up their sleeves and expect nothing from somebody else.
I guess the funeral is a private ceremony, so I doubt the cameras will be allowed into the church. As for the Parma dwellers, I think they will be spending the weekend on the shores of nearby Versilia.