Who is the Head of the Imperial Family?

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by SIDOROFF

I do not insist he is waging a war against her. I just say he could have a rightful claim.

Yes, he has one. Or better, he had. He was I think about nr. 200 in line to the throne according to the laws of succession valid in the Uk, but lost his place when he married a Catholic.

[SIDOROFF]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

On the one hand you accept that there was inheritance through the female line to this Ilya, on the other hand you make fun of the same case of inheritance through the wife of a duke of Holstein-Gottorp. Sounds strange to me.

I do not make fun. I point out to the rightfulness of the Kishkins' claim, as they inherited their rights, contrary to Holstein-Gottorps, who wrestled it from each other in coups.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by SIDOROFF

I may be mistaken, but it seems to me he was something like No. 70.

Ernst August's place in the line of succession to the British throne comes via Queen Victoria's eldest daughter and, if he was still in the list, would be in about 400th position.
King Harald of Norway will soon be pushed into the 70th position.
source: Line of Succession

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by SIDOROFF

The Emperor of Russia is His Imperial Majesty Emperor Leo Lvovitch.

Wow. That really throws a monkey wrench in things, doesn't it?
I didn't see THAT ONE coming!

[chancellor]

http://russianwelfare.org.au/pdf/imperial.pdf


Again l ask interested people to read this recent PDF and see what it says on the memorial head stone --what is the name on it ? according to the Russian Comunity ?

the file is both in English and Russian -- great photos too !

Stepan

[Warren]

This is a very well-presented album of Grand Duchess Maria's visit to Australia in September 2007. Noteworthy is the semi-official nature of the visit which included meeting with various State Governors and accommodation at Government House in both Brisbane and Melbourne, formal visit to the Australian Parliament, and a formal reception given by the Russian Ambassador.

[SIDOROFF]

The only non-reigning royal in the World to give out decorations and titles is Mariya Vladimirovna, which shows what type of "royal" she is.

[serenissima]

If the monarchy is to be restored in Russia, who will become the Tsar of All Russia ? Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna or Prince Nicholas Romanov ?

[SIDOROFF]

Originally Posted by serenissima

If the monarchy is to be restored in Russia, who will become the Tsar of All Russia ? Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna or Prince Nicholas Romanov ?

His Imperial Majesty Emperor Lev Lvovitch.

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by SIDOROFF

The only non-reigning royal in the World to give out decorations and titles is Mariya Vladimirovna, which shows what type of "royal" she is.

That is nonsense, the Duke of Parma bestowed titles on all his 4 children in the 90-ties, and he hands out orders too. The 2nd Duke of Calabria does the same thing (handing out -or some even say selling out-) orders, and there should be many others. In Germany a few royals even went as far as to adopt people for money, so that they could use the last name 'prinz von X'.

It is clear you have a strong opinion about Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna, but it is not based on correct facts.

[SIDOROFF]

The Duke of Parma and the 2nd Duke of Calabria are not "royal", they are "ducal".

[Warren]

Originally Posted by SIDOROFF

The Duke of Parma and the 2nd Duke of Calabria are not "royal", they are "ducal".

SIDOROFF, you really need to do some basic royal research before continuing to make incorrect statements of fact.

HRH the Duke of Parma is the Head of the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma, and HRH the Duke of Calabria is the (disputed) Head of the Royal House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies.
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[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Warren

SIDOROFF, you really need to do some basic royal research before continuing to make incorrect statements of fact.

HRH the Duke of Parma is the Head of the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma, and HRH the Duke of Calabria is the (disputed) Head of the Royal House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies.
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And both are the - hm, how do you call that correctly? - Heads of their family orders which have a long history and are still honoured, so they can bestow the membership of these ancient and acknowledged orders according to the rules that govern these orders. The fact that HM The Queen of the UK is the head (?) of the Order of the Garter and the Order of the Thistle does eg not make these orders superior to the Order of the Golden Fleece, founded in 1430, which in his Spanish part is governed by the HM The King of Spain (reigning) and in his Austrian part by Karl Habsburg-Lothringen, who is not reigning but the current Head of the House of Habsburg-Lothringen.

[SIDOROFF]

This topic is controversial. By “royal” I mean starting from King and above.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by SIDOROFF

The only non-reigning royal in the World to give out decorations and titles is Mariya Vladimirovna, which shows what type of "royal" she is.

She holds the de-jure rights of the Imperial House of Romanov as Head of the House and that includes the right to confer personal honours, titles and determine the House Laws. Same as any other formerly reigning house.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by serenissima

If the monarchy is to be restored in Russia, who will become the Tsar of All Russia ? Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna or Prince Nicholas Romanov ?

Maria is recognized as the Head of the Imperial House by the Russian Government, but in the event of a restoration, anyone could be chosen to succeed to the throne.

[serenissima]

Originally Posted by branchg

Maria is recognized as the Head of the Imperial House by the Russian Government, but in the event of a restoration, anyone could be chosen to succeed to the throne.

Oh, I see. However, did she not decide to attend the state burial of the Tsar Nicholas II and his family or something because she did not think that those mortal remains were those of her relatives etc ?

Oh, and .., doesn't Prince Michael accept Prince Nicholas Romanov or somebody as the rightful head of the House of Romanov or whatever ?

Please tell me.

[lexi4]

Originally Posted by SIDOROFF

I do not make fun. I point out to the rightfulness of the Kishkins' claim, as they inherited their rights, contrary to Holstein-Gottorps, who wrestled it from each other in coups.

Ultimately, they all wrestled it from on another in coups.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by serenissima

Oh, I see. However, did she not decide to attend the state burial of the Tsar Nicholas II and his family or something because she did not think that those mortal remains were those of her relatives etc ?

Oh, and .., doesn't Prince Michael accept Prince Nicholas Romanov or somebody as the rightful head of the House of Romanov or whatever ?

Please tell me.

Maria chose not to attend the burial because the Russian Orthodox Church did not accept the remains as being that of the imperial family at the time.

I don't know Prince Michael of Kent's position on who is the head of the house, but Nicholas Romanov is most certainly not. He is a morganatic descendant and not the senior male in any case.

[Michael HR]

My view has always been that we need to go back to the manifesto of Grand Duke Michael when he decided not to accept the throne and passed the Imperial power to the Duma until such time as there was a vote on the dynasty. As he handed power to the Duma this brought the dynasty to an end and power lay with the Duma from that time on. It was his wish that they debate and vote both on government in general and the Crown and therefore it is a matter for the Russian people if the Crown is restored and also in my view that would wear the Crown.

I do not accept Maria's claim for a number of reasons but mainly because of the actions of GD Kyrill in taking his troops from the Alexander Palace and thus leaving the Empress and her family un defended and in extreme danger and swore allienge to the revolutionary powers and this breached his oath of office to the Tsar and committed, in my view, treason. In fact the people he went to with his troops sent him away in disgust at his actions.

Maria's attitude to other members of the Romanov family is a disgrace and she shows no respect to the Russian people when she said recently that she would be willing to live in Russia if they accepted her as head of the dynasty. This is a matter for the people to decide and only goes to show her views of the Russian people -v- her own personal interests.

There should be in time a full debate in parliament and the country with perhaps a referendum on the subject of restoration and who is restored as there is more than one candidate.