Who is the Head of the Imperial Family?

[COUNTESS]

When I used the analogy of the "Conga Line", I wondered if anyone would remember that.

[vsriCo]

Originally Posted by Russophile

Let's play pretend, here: If Maria is confirmed and Georgie sits on the throne. What in the heck could they do to rule the country? Really? It's a mess (and so is MY country! ).

I don't think anyone suggesting a reinstatement of the Russian monarchy is in favour of giving it autocratic powers.

Originally Posted by branchg

I think it's extremely unlikely, to say the least, that Maria Vladimirovna or George Romanov have any chance to ever be called upon to assume the throne if restored. Neither is acceptable to the average Russian since Maria has a Georgian mother and George's father is a Hohenzollern prince, two very big strikes against them.

True. This seems to be the case with every Slavic country that has a monarchy, Serbia etc.

[Marsel]

Loved the Conga, Russo!

Originally Posted by branchg

I think it's extremely unlikely, to say the least, that Maria Vladimirovna or George Romanov have any chance to ever be called upon to assume the throne if restored. Neither is acceptable to the average Russian since Maria has a Georgian mother and George's father is a Hohenzollern prince, two very big strikes against them. The Russian people couldn't care less about the Pauline Law or their royal status.

I completely agree with you. The Pauline laws or Treaties are important for people interested in Genealogy or Royalty, but the people are completely indifferent to those matters. Maria Vladimirovna, with her Georgian roots and her German born son are on the very bottom of any list.
I have nothing against Prince George: on the contrary, he’s a very amiable and likable person. But prospective Russian Monarch - hardly.

At the same time, none of the remaining Romanovs are particularly held in high esteem, indeed there is still much contempt for their history in Russia, which was hardly honourable.

And again, I agree with you. While people may be interested in their past, I daresay the Romanovs have left a highly mixed legacy, one we would rather forget, nor revive.
Unfortunately, none of the Romanovs (including Maria Vladimirovna) is even known to ordinary Russian people, let alone held in any esteem.

I don't think there is a happy ending to this fairy tale. The monarchy is not going to be restored in Russia anytime soon, if ever. While Maria has done an admirable job upholding the dignity and traditions of the Imperial House, that's quite different than reigning on a non-existent throne.

Somehow, I am certain that the Monarchy will be restored one day. Not absolute Monarchy as it used to be under the Romanovs, but a constitutional one, similar to the British Monarchy (we love everything British, which is why we complain about them all the time).

[Russophile]

For the pomp and circumstance Marsel? Cuz you know nobody does it like the English, except the Romanovs, once upon a time. . . .




(Glad everybody liked the joke, Russo doesn't think it wise to push it. . . )

[Warren]

The current discussion of an alleged newly-found Romanov dynast has been moved to the Romanov Pretenders and Imposters thread.

Warren
Russian Forums moderator

[Benjamin]

Guy Stair Sainty has added to his website an updated version of the essay written by Brien Horan on the Russian succession.

The essay can be found here: THE RUSSIAN IMPERIAL SUCCESSION

[Next Star]

Maria Vladmirinova maybe recongized as head of the house by other heads of the houses but I'm going by house laws she is not eliegible to make such a claim.I know there enough male relatives close atleast distant cousin to be head of this house.I have nothing against her but I'm going by the laws of the house and they say she is not head of this house.

[Cory]

When Grand Duke Vladimir died all the other branches of the Imperial Family had lost their rights because of morganatic marriages.Grand Duchess Maria is the rightful Head of the Imperial House if we read carefully the laws of Paul I.

[Next Star]

Originally Posted by Cory

When Grand Duke Vladimir died all the other branches of the Imperial Family had lost their rights because of morganatic marriages.Grand Duchess Maria is the rightful Head of the Imperial House if we read carefully the laws of Paul I.

No she is not a woman cannot hold headship when their is other males that are close or distant cousin who follow all the laws she does not even
follow one being she is not a man this takes her out of the equation.

[COUNTESS]

It is all moot. They can argue about this, until the cows come home (An American expression), it, really, doesn't matter.

[genegirl99]

Originally Posted by COUNTESS

It is all moot. They can argue about this, until the cows come home (An American expression), it, really, doesn't matter.

Ditto, you can come up with any argument or theory for or against Maria or any other cousin to be the head of the family.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by Cory

When Grand Duke Vladimir died all the other branches of the Imperial Family had lost their rights because of morganatic marriages.Grand Duchess Maria is the rightful Head of the Imperial House if we read carefully the laws of Paul I.

That is Maria's position on the matter, which is a matter of dispute with the other branches of the family. They contend that Vladimir married unequally making Maria as morganatic as they are.

Given that point, Maria would not be the Head of the House as she is female and there are morganaut males that take precedence ahead of her. In reality, however, she is the sole dynast remaining because her father was already the Head of the House when he married. The Tsar was the only arbitrator of whether any marriage of a dynast was equal or not.

[Cory]

After Nicholas II the "de iure" Tsars were Kyril and Vladimir.

[Grandduchess24]

Isnt it between
Prince Nicholas Romanov and
Grand duchess Maria vladimirovna
But I think Maria is the rightful head nevermind because she us female , I just think because she is the one closest by blood to the last czar Nicholas ii through his uncle Vladimir alexandrovich she is also a decendent of queen Victoria through her grandmother Victoria Melita who married her cousin Cyril vladmirovich .

[AristoCat]

I just wonder, what would it take ot put an end to this ridiculous squabbling.

When Grand Duke Vladimir died all the other branches of the Imperial Family had lost their rights because of morganatic marriages.Grand Duchess Maria is the rightful Head of the Imperial House if we read carefully the laws of Paul I.

None of the Romanovs anticipated that Communism would end as soon as it did and few planned on ever returning.

[Vasillisos Markos]

I think the squabbling is because Maria is a woman and because her ancestors were the first to renounce loyalty to the Tsar when the Revolution came. No doubt they were saving their skins, or thought so, but it probably still rankles many who revered the royal family.

[AristoCat]

Apparently she went to the wedding of Prince Albert and (now) Princess Charlene.

because her ancestors were the first to renounce loyalty to the Tsar when the Revolution came.

I think that's it really. She's so greedy for a throne and the body of the Dowager Empress was barely cold when Kiril staked his claim to be Head of the Imperial Family. Since then it's been a family split and Maria has claimed that only she and her (at hte time) mother and now her son are the only 'real' Romanovs and the rest might have the name, but not the rights.

[Renata4711]

Did she really come to the wedding, and did she come alone ?

[Al_bina]

Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna was accompanied by her son.

[AristoCat]

Hehe, she really keeps him on lockdown, no? :)