Tsar's Murder: Court Cases

[Benjamin]

Court Rehabilitates Imperial Family
2 Oct 2008
...Yesterday’s decision cannot be appealed. The prosecutor’s office declined to comment on it, but government representative in the Supreme Court Mikhail Varshchevsky stated his disagreement with the decision. “It was a political decision, rather than a legal decision,” he said. Court spokesman Pavel Odintsov referred to “indirect evidence of repression.” The surviving members of the imperial family will not be eligible for material compensation, since only direct descendants of a victim of political repression have the right to receive a pension (ranging from 150 to 1000 rubles per month) and compensation for material losses up to 10,000 rubles. “No one’s going to take the Winter Palace away,” summarized lawyer for the imperial family German Lukyanov.
Whole article: Kommersant

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Royal family rehabilitation to help Russian society - Church
2 Oct 2008
The admission of unfounded repression against the Russian royal family will a promote moral rebirth in Russia, deputy head of the Moscow Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin told the Interfax-Religion...
Whole article: Interfax

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Rehabilitation of Nicholas II, his family members historic moment - Imperial House
1 Oct 2008
..."We can only welcome this. Of course, this decision means important consequences to modern Russia, because it restores the historic continuity of the Russian nationhood with a millennium tradition," Alexander Zakatov, head of the Chancellery of the Russian Imperial House of Her Imperial Highness Great Princess Maria Vladimirovna told Interfax...
Whole article: Interfax

[Royal Fan]

Im glad this stepwas taken

[Ex-Princess Lisa]

Interfax http://interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=5581


"On January 15, 2009, the Investigative Committee's Main Investigations Department shut down an investigation under a criminal case dealing with the circumstances of the death and burial of Russian Emperor Nicholas II, members of his family and people from his retinue,"

[Camilo2002]

Originally Posted by J Kendrick;880809On a related subject... and since the "New Information on Two Pits" discussion thread is now closed...

Why, do you imagine, are the members of the Romanov Family Association now saying publicly that the case of the Imperial murders [I

still [/I]isn't over?

Why are those same living members of the Romanov family themselves now saying very clearly in their latest public comment: "The historical chapter connected with the regicide has not yet been closed."?

What is the relationship of the criminal investigation and Alexei's hemophilia?

Romanov's family members, especially Maria V. want money or properties from the Russian governement; I think the Russians are messing her up because they know the Russian people will never return to a monarchy, let alone that Maria V.'s son is a Prusian prince.

[Ex-Princess Lisa]

Maria V is not part of the Romanov Family Association.

There is a rift between the House of Romanov, which includes Maria V and her son and the Romanov Family Association, which includes virtually all the remaining Romanovs.

The House of Romanov and the Romanov Family Association have released 2 different press releases in reaction to the news that the investigation is now officially closed.

The Romanov Family Association have said the case of the Russian Imperial murders still is not over.

The House of Romanov have said they are waiting for the opinion of the Russian Orthodox Church before they give their response.

[J Kendrick]

Why are the members of the Romanov Family Association now saying publicly that the case of the Imperial murders still isn't over?

See Interfax: Interfax-Religion

Why is the RFA now saying to the news media that Prosecutor Vladimir Solovyov's closure of the criminal investigation is "of no crucial significance for history"? Given Moscow's decision to end the investigation, why is the RFA now saying publicly: "The historical chapter connected with the regicide has not yet been closed."?

What are the living members of the Romanov Family Association now actually implying when they say in this latest public comment: "History itself will clear up all the cases and clarify the circumstances of the Royal family's death."?

JK

[Anna was Franziska]

Our branch of the family is not reacting in any way to the end in the criminal investigation.The historical chapter connected with the regicide has not yet been closed,

See here Kendrick, they're still upset about the regicide, and they want more done to incriminate those responsible, maybe they even want an apology or some kind of retribution. But it has nothing to do with denying the evidence that identified the family members. This is about the criminal investigation only. They have made it clear before that they don't deny the DNA testings. It's not about that, and they don't mention it. It's only the regicide.

[Menarue]

I think I would be a "little" upset if members of my family were all wiped out by bayonet and guns for whatever reason. Of course the family don´t want to close the murder case, they want to know more and who blames them.

[Anna was Franziska]

I agree. They want the guilty named and blamed, dead or not. Just saying those responsible are dead now doesn't end it. They need to say exactly whose fault it was and name them- even up to Lenin himself. It upsets the family that the Russians are unwilling to do this and cast shame on the Soviet regime where it belongs. If someone suddenly discovered who Jack the Ripper was, nobody would hide it and say 'oh well he's dead', they'd name him and it would be a big deal. I have seen several 'cold cases' both local and widely known solved later after the murderer was dead, most recently the case of Adam Walsh (son of John Walsh of "America's Most Wanted.") The murder took place in 1981 and the killer has been dead since 1996, but once they found out for sure who he was they had a press conference and named him. The family said this gave them closure. This is what the Romanov Family Association wants and deserves, as any family would, famous or not. I agree with the family that there will not be a historical conclusion until the criminal investigation is completed and the guilty named.

(However, the case IS closed scientifically, and there is no longer any doubt the whole family is found and identified.)

[AGRBear]

>>"Our branch of the family is not reacting in any way to the end in the criminal investigation. For us it is not an event of crucial significance. The historical chapter connected with the regicide has not yet been closed," Romanovs Family Association spokesman Ivan Artsishevsky told Interfax on Thursday.<<

Interfax, 15 Jan 2009:
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=5588

On this point, I agree with the Romanov Family Association's latest response as told to us by Ivan Artsishevsky.

AGRBear

[Anna was Franziska]

More articles:

RIA Novosti - Russia - Russia closes probe into tsar killing, identification of remains

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090115...x-39349ed.html

http://www.interfax.com/3/463198/news.aspx

[J Kendrick]

Originally Posted by Anna was Franziska

I agree. They want the guilty named and blamed, dead or not. Just saying those responsible are dead now doesn't end it. They need to say exactly whose fault it was and name them- even up to Lenin himself.

If they want the guilty named and blamed, then what do they mean by the following statement?

"The informal side of the matter interests the Romanovs Family more than legal subtleties."

[Anna was Franziska]

Personal vindication maybe? JK you are REAAAALLLY grasping and straws trying to find something that is not there. Back in July, the Romanov Family Association issued a statement declaring they fully accepted the DNA results and findings of the scientists and officials. I saved the link but unfortunately it's expired.
Interfax: General and business news from Russia, CIS, Central Europe and China

But I had saved its text and this is what it said:

Romanov Family does not doubt Yekaterinburg remains are royal

ST.PETERSBURG. July 16 (Interfax-) - The Romanov Family has never
doubted that the remains found near Yekaterinburg a year ago were those
of Crown Prince Alexei and Grand Princess Maria Nikolayevna, but deem it
very important that this has been proved now based on DNA tests.
"It is very important that these results are now official and that
it is 100% so. Now let those who have misgivings, say why. A larger part
of my family, nearly all members, have been hoping all this time that it
will be so. It was clear for us it was so," Prince Dmitry Romanov, Tsar
Nicholas I's great, great grandson, said on Ekho Moskvy in St.
Petersburg on Wednesday.

Read the entire article here.

[J Kendrick]

Originally Posted by Anna was Franziska

Personal vindication maybe? JK you are REAAAALLLY grasping and straws trying to find something that is not there. Back in July, the Romanov Family Association issued a statement declaring they fully accepted the DNA results and findings of the scientists and officials. I saved the link but unfortunately it's expired.
Interfax: General and business news from Russia, CIS, Central Europe and China

That still doesn't answer my question.

What do they mean...exactly... when they now say: "The informal side of the matter interests the Romanovs Family more than legal subtleties."

The question of who may be guilty in any crime is certainly a legal matter, so what are they actually talking about when they now say: "The informal side of the matter interests the Romanov Family more..."?

[Anna was Franziska]

Obviously, it doesn't have anything to do with the DNA or idenification of the remains, because as I have already posted, the family fully accepts the results. So if that is what you are insinuating, you're barking up the wrong tree.

[J Kendrick]

Originally Posted by Anna was Franziska

Obviously, it doesn't have anything to do with the DNA or idenification of the remains, because as I have already posted, the family fully accepts the results. So if that is what you are insinuating, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I'm not insinuating anything at all.

I'm only asking the very simple question, what do they mean by the words "...the informal side of the matter..." when they now say "The informal side of the matter interests the Romanov Family more..."?

[Anna was Franziska]

I guess you're just going to have to write and ask them. Our speculating does no good.

[Camilo2002]

Originally Posted by Ex-Princess Lisa

The Romanov Family Association have said the case of the Russian Imperial murders still is not over.

The House of Romanov have said they are waiting for the opinion of the Russian Orthodox Church before they give their response.

Neither the Romanov Family Association nor the Church has juridiction over the criminal investigation. If the Russian Authorities said the investigation has been closed, then the case is over; no matter what other people/organizations may say.

In part this decision is justifiable as none of the criminals and/or conspirators may be alive by now. On the other hand it would be interesting to have a formal declaration of the Russian government stating the names of all the murderers/conspirators (I know Lenin was one of them).

[Warren]

Originally Posted by J Kendrick

I'm not insinuating anything at all.

I'm only asking the very simple question, what do they mean by the words "...the informal side of the matter..." when they now say "The informal side of the matter interests the Romanov Family more..."?

Insinuating, no, but certainly attempting to create doubt where there is none.
The very simple answer can be found in the Nicholas and Alexandra thread in a post made on 16 January (2009).
quote from Interfax:
"On January 15, 2009, the Investigative Committee's Main Investigations Department shut down an investigation under a criminal case dealing with the circumstances of the death and burial of Russian Emperor Nicholas II, members of his family and people from his retinue."

To spell it out: there is no further legal avenue available to investigate criminal responsibility in the deaths and reburials of the Imperial Family.
Formal attempts to get a criminal investigation to identify the culprits have now been closed off by an agency of the State.

However, that does not rule out "informal" attempts - whatever they may be - to assign responsibility for the murders. I assume Lenin is the prime target and it will now be left to historians to uncover the truth.

As is quite obvious, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the identification of the remains or "New Information on Two Pits".

[posts addressing this red herring have now been moved from the "New Information on Two Pits" thread to the N&A thread]

[J Kendrick]

Originally Posted by Royal Fan

When are they supposed to be Buried anyone have any idea?

There is yet another conference planned to discuss the results of the investigation even further in March. There is no word yet on what issues might be discussed during the conference... or if the question of burial will even be on the agenda.

Whatever the case may be, the comments made by the Romanov Family Association on January 15th have made it readily apparent that we have yet to see the end of "New Information on Two Pits".