Originally posted by gaoshan1021@Jan 1st, 2004 - 8:12 pm You are absolutely right.
Hey, you're obviously somewhat of a Romanov enthusiast. Have you seen the Romanov Albums located at Yale University? They were donated there back in the 1920s, IIRC. Anyway, they are now available online at:
1. Here is Dagmar and her husband, Tsar Alexander III.
2. Dagmar with the last Tsar, Nicholas II.
3. Dagmar with her baby sons.
4. Again with the last Tsar.
1. Young Dagmar.
2. Dagmar as the Dowager Empress of Russia.
3. From the website called "Thyra, Alexandra, Dagmar": Alexandra on the left, Thyra in the middle and Dagmar.
I maintain that she is not correctly styled Her Royal Majesty. One never addresses her as such. She is correctly Her Majesty or Her Britanic Majesty. Just like the King of Spain is His Catholic Majesty and the Emperor of Austria was his Apostolic Majesty. If she was properly styled Her Royal Majesty her initials would be HRM (like HRH for Royal Highness). They are not. They are HM. I've just checked in all of the Gothas going back to 1867 as well as Burkes Peerage.
HM and HRM are equivalents.
That's why kings who are also emperors are sometimes called "Imperial & Royal Majesty".
That's why kings who are also emperors are sometimes called "Imperial & Royal Majesty".
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Sometimes, but in those cases it was done to highlight the fact that the individual in question was both an Emperor and a King. No such distinction applies to HM QE II or any of the other European monarch, since as you know, there are no dual Emperor-Kings.
Second even when there were, they were not really addressed as such (with the exception of the German Emperor, but not even always then). The Emperor of Austria was simply HIM Majesty und Apostolic Majesty (for Hungary, after St. Stephen). Or, more properly, after 1868 he was Kaiser von Österreich, König von Böhmen u. s. w. und Apostolischer König von Ungarn or in abbreviated form Kaiser von Österreich und Apostolischer König von Ungarn with the style of Seine Majestät der Kaiser und König or Seine k. u. k. (kaiserliche und königliche) Apostolische Majestät. (http://www.heraldica.org/topics/roya...le.htm#austria)
(Although, the Archdukes and Archduchesses were Imperial and Royal Highnesses after the introduction of the dual monarchy.)
In Russia the Czar was simply his HIM, and in Germany the Kaiser was also addressed as HIM, although he was properly Kaiserliche und Königliche Majestät -- or His Imperial and Royal Majesty,for the reason stated above. In Britian, the monarch remained HM, despite being Empress/Emperor of India from the 1870s to the 1940s. They weren't allowed the style of HIM, although I believe it was debated in Parliament ( I will have to check my sources for exact dates)
For QE II, a style of Royal Majesty is be redundant, as the Majesty already implies that she is royal. It would be like referring to her as " Your Royal Royal Majesty". If that makes any sense. :))
I maintain that she is not correctly styled Her Royal Majesty. One never addresses her as such. She is correctly Her Majesty or Her Britanic Majesty. Just like the King of Spain is His Catholic Majesty and the Emperor of Austria was his Apostolic Majesty. If she was properly styled Her Royal Majesty her initials would be HRM (like HRH for Royal Highness). They are not. They are HM. I've just checked in all of the Gothas going back to 1867 as well as Burkes Peerage.
Correct. Her Most Gracious Majesty is also used, and has been since at least the reign of Her Majesty Queen Victoria. I believe the prefix: Her/His Majesty is considered to be the conventional short-form.
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I would like to share this wonderful piece I discovered today.
It is the 'Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem' by Tchaikovsky. It was composed to celebrate the marriage of Tsar Alexander III and Princess Dagmar of Denmark (later Empress Marie Feodorovna).
If you listen carefully you will hear strands of both 'God Save the Tsar' and 'Kong Christian'. It ends with a fantastic version of 'Kong Christian'.
You can download it from here for 7 days, but if anyone wants it after that I will post again. As it is over 100 years old the copyright no longer exists so don't worry - you won't be arrested!
I maintain that she is not correctly styled Her Royal Majesty. One never addresses her as such. She is correctly Her Majesty or Her Britanic Majesty. Just like the King of Spain is His Catholic Majesty and the Emperor of Austria was his Apostolic Majesty. If she was properly styled Her Royal Majesty her initials would be HRM (like HRH for Royal Highness). They are not. They are HM. I've just checked in all of the Gothas going back to 1867 as well as Burkes Peerage.
Queen Elizabeth II is correctly styled by the prefix of "Her Majesty" and nothing else.
I know Empress Marie had a villa in the French Riviera and I was wondering if anyone knows what it's name is/was and where in the French Riviera it was. Thanks
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До Бо́га высоко́, до Царя́ далеко́ (God is very high up and the Tsar is very far away)
-Russian Proverb
Sorry for my question, but did anyone know which and how many orders Empress Marie and other Russian Empresses/Grand Duchesses ever had? Is there any site about that?
Overture
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