The Children of Tsar Nicholas II ("OTMAA")

[Velkoknezna Maria]

Originally Posted by Grace Angel

Olyashka, thanks for the photo of Maria and Olga 1914 that you posted by itself. I don't believe I had ever seen it. Do you know who is the photo with them? Is that Anna Vyrubova?

It´s Queen Maria of Romania, Picture was taken during the imperial visit to Constanza.

As for Dickie Mountbatten and Maria possible marrige: If Maria was to marry Dickie (who was btw one year her junior) she would have to abandon Orthodox faith even though Dickie´s status didn´t "needed" it, because Russian Orthodox church forbides marriages between first cousins - and that´s exactly what Dickie and Maria were.

But he certainly had puppy love for her: "I was mad about her and absolutely determined to marry her. You couldn´t imagine anyobe more beautiful than her..."

[Grace Angel]

Thanks for telling me who that was. For some reason, I thought it was Anna V. But it was just Marie of Romania in her later years when she had put on weight. That fact makes it hard to recognize her.

[Velkoknezna Maria]

The picture is not of greatest quality and if you have not seen the ones taken the same day, you could easily mistake Maria for somebody else. I forgot to write it is the year 1914. The visit was organized to encourage the possible marriage between Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna and Prince Carol, but both declined. When Carol visited Russian court in1916, he was quite taken by Olga´s younger sister Marie and asked for her hand, but the Tsar only laughed that sixteen-years-old Marie is "just a schoolgirl".

[Keiser_Konstantiv_]

Originally Posted by thissal

Thanks for your reply Fireweaver. It seems only about 50 years before that, England and Germany attacked Russia when they invaded Turkey? (somewhere south of the Crimea), so it would seem they weren't too intimidated. It might have been due to all the crimes the tzar was charged with so of course the Bolsheviks would want to try him supposedly. Now Putin wants all those crimes pardoned and the family has already been canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church.

But it is more understandable in those terms. The USA doesn't appreciate other countries which give safe harbor to certain individuals either.

It was France and England not Germany

[Toscany]

I came across this photo of the Tsar and Tsarevich. A formal photograph presenting a captured German machine gun just after WWI started in 1914. This was just after the Tsarevich's 10th Birthday. The Tsarevich had twisted his ankle, thus he is seated.

With 14 million peasant drafts lead by an officer corps one percent of that size, the Russian army was short of every single thing except soldiers, bravery and enemies.

Tsar Nicholas II with Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich.
The Lower Dacha (New Palace), at Peterhof, 1914.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=30436455&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=20553032932&aid=-1&id=1497778218&oid=20553032932

I have friend on Facebook that send me photos, and I realize this URL is very long. If anyone has trouble viewing, please fell free to request it via email.

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[AGRBear]

A serious note needed to correct Toscany:

Originally Posted by Toscany

... [in part]...

With 14 million peasant drafts lead by an officer corps one percent of that size, the Russian army was short of every single thing except soldiers, bravery and enemies.
..... HMB

It is a Bolshevik/Communist myth that has been repeated so many times, it became fact rather than fiction. There were no shortages at the beginning of the Great War (WW1). Shortages did occur later when the revolutionaries became involved and started to convince the peasants to stop productions of everything, which included the hospital trains from the front and trains carrying ammunition, boots and food from the factories and farms to the cities.

This is Fige's statements about Russia and if it was prepared for WWI p. 253: "By 1914 Russia was spending more than Germany on her armed forces: over one-third of all government expenditures. It is not true, as historians later claimed, that the Russian army was unprepared for war. In manpower and material it was at least the equal of the German army, and, thanks to the recent improvements of Russia's western railways, took only three days more than its enemy to complete its mobilization."


BOOK: Orlando Figes's book is: A PEOPLE'S TRAGEDY, THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION 1891-1924.

AGRBear

[Russophile]

Bear, I'm reading the Crawfords "Michael and Natasha" and they report that Michael and Natasha sent trains with supplies paid for by them to the front. Food for Michael's men (Michael had ulcers and had to be on a strict diet) and other things.

The Crawford's also reveal that Alexandra talked plenty of baby talk to Nicholas in her letters. I am wondering if she spoke to her daughters that way and they were rather socially inept because of this.

[Toscany]

Originally Posted by Russophile

Bear, I'm reading the Crawfords "Michael and Natasha" and they report that Michael and Natasha sent trains with supplies paid for by them to the front. Food for Michael's men (Michael had ulcers and had to be on a strict diet) and other things.

The Crawford's also reveal that Alexandra talked plenty of baby talk to Nicholas in her letters. I am wondering if she spoke to her daughters that way and they were rather socially inept because of this.

It is my next reading on the shelf. I am currently reading Pauline Gray's book that I have just received on inter-library loan.

HMB

[Toscany]

Originally Posted by AGRBear

A serious note needed to correct Toscany

My statement actually was meant for later on, and not the onset of the war.

The Army was massive, and Russia's railway sytem was an important strategy in moving both troops, food, horses, and weapons.

I should not have mentioned Russia's mighty army with the photograph of 1914. It was not intended to be confusing.

I must reference this book. Thank you for including it.

HMB

[AGRBear]

Originally Posted by Russophile

Bear, I'm reading the Crawfords "Michael and Natasha" and they report that Michael and Natasha sent trains with supplies paid for by them to the front. Food for Michael's men (Michael had ulcers and had to be on a strict diet) and other things.

The Crawford's also reveal that Alexandra talked plenty of baby talk to Nicholas in her letters. I am wondering if she spoke to her daughters that way and they were rather socially inept because of this.

Crawford's book is a good read and helps a person view Russian history from where Michael was sitting which was between a rock and a hard place.

AGRBear

[Toscany]

I have been enjoying these "Father and Son" photographs. If you have already seen them, please accept my apology for the repeat.

The Tsar and Tsarevich at Stavka:
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Alexander Park, 1915:
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The Crimea ( Note the Tsarevich with his bare feet):
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On board the Imperial Yacht, Standart:
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With General Brusilov:
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Enjoy!

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[lucien]

Relative urges burial of last tsar's children

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Originally Posted by lucien

Relative urges burial of last tsar's children

I´m sorry to hear that the Russian Orthodox Church refuses to canonize and recognize those remains as Alexei and Maria´s. I don´t understand why the church won´t accept DNA evidence as the proof those were the children´s remains. This is sad that the children aren´t going to be buried together with the rest of their family. I was hoping for the Russian Orthodox Church to see the DNA tests as evidence. Anyways, I´m glad that a relative of the Romanovs is trying to do something to have a burrial for the children´s remains.

[Dierna23]

Hmm... It's a mystery to me as well why the Russian Orthodox Church refuses to regognize the remains as Alexei and Maria. I would be very upset if they won't be buried together with the rest of their family...

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Originally Posted by Dierna23

Hmm... It's a mystery to me as well why the Russian Orthodox Church refuses to regognize the remains as Alexei and Maria. I would be very upset if they're won't be buried together with the rest of their family...

I think that the Russian Orthodox church won't accept the remains because the they believed that Alexei and Maria's remains were completely destroyed, just as others thought before July 2007. I think this might be the reason, why the church doesn't want to change their original thought.

[Toscany]

Originally Posted by AnastasiaEvidence

I´m sorry to hear that the Russian Orthodox Church refuses to canonize and recognize those remains as Alexei and Maria´s. I don´t understand why the church won´t accept DNA evidence as the proof those were the children´s remains. This is sad that the children aren´t going to be buried together with the rest of their family. I was hoping for the Russian Orthodox Church to see the DNA tests as evidence. Anyways, I´m glad that a relative of the Romanovs is trying to do something to have a burrial for the children´s remains.

Agreed. However, it has only been since 2007 that the DNA evidence was presented. These things take time. Look how long they waited to have a final resting place for the family.

HMB

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Originally Posted by Toscany

Agreed. However, it has only been since 2007 that the DNA evidence was presented. These things take time. Look how long they waited to have a final resting place for the family.

HMB

Yes, it has only been two years, Tuscany. I know that some don't see the DNA as evidence and prefer to believe in their own opinions as the truth.
But, if you saw the Finding Anastasia show on Saturday, the documentary explained why the remains were Maria and Alexei's.Their bone fragments were small, fragile and over 90 years old, and bones in that condition are usually hard to identify. The scientists worked hard for months in trying to identify these small remains by accounts from the murderers and forensic evidence.So, the forensic evidence should be counted as accurate evidence...

[Russophile]

Is there a link to that show, AE?

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Originally Posted by Russophile

Is there a link to that show, AE?

Russo, Here are the links to the full show- Finding Anastasia.

YouTube - Finding Anastasia, Part 1

YouTube - Finding Anastasia, Part 2

YouTube - Finding Anastasia, Part 3

YouTube - Finding Anastasia, Part 4

YouTube - Finding Anastasia, Part 5

[Archduchess Zelia]

^^^
Nice vids!