Romanov Pretenders and Imposters

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by Vasillisos Markos

I misread the blog and thought the reference was to claimants of Nicholas' immediate family, not the other Romanov family members who now claim to be head of the family

They meant pretenders. The heirs of Heineio Tamment <sic, I know I munched that badly! Sorry!!> are around as is another claimant that I know of who was told Maria was his grandmother.

[Jonathan]

Originally Posted by Velkoknezna Maria

No, becuase he abdicated also for Alexei and in favour of hisbrother Grand Duke Mikhail.

My facts might not be right but I thought that he signed an instrument of abdication twice. The first that left Alexis as Tzar and then another one. In which case Alexis would have already have been The Tzar

[Velkoknezna Maria]

He had the first version, in which he abdicated in favour of Alexei, ready but not signed. After an interview with dr. Feodorov he decided to change the document and only signed the second one.

[Jonathan]

Originally Posted by Velkoknezna Maria

He had the first version, in which he abdicated in favour of Alexei, ready but not signed. After an interview with dr. Feodorov he decided to change the document and only signed the second one.

OK> Thanks for that. It's a huge pity that they weren't able to escape. I read somewhere that the Dowerger Empress believed for years that they were alive and that's the reason she never met all the so called Grand Duchesses

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by Jonathan

OK> Thanks for that. It's a huge pity that they weren't able to escape. I read somewhere that the Dowerger Empress believed for years that they were alive and that's the reason she never met all the so called Grand Duchesses

Minnie also did that for political reasons. While she was alive the factions could not fight. They had a bit of a truce about it (Tsar: The Lost World of Nicholas and Alexandra and Coryn Hall's "Little Mother of Russia.")

[Solipsistic]

There is new evidence coming to light that the recent DNA testing that proved Alexei died in 1918 was falsified and that he actually made it over to Canada and lived until 1978. I have personally been in contact with a family who has photos of his Nurse/Doctor, that is their great/grandmother. Stories from the family tell that Alexei has a daughter, who in turn has a son and daughter. This would make them the closest descendants of the Royal Russian bloodline.
There may also be evidence that the US Consulate conducted an investigation into Alexei while he was in Canada and found him to be genuinely who he said he was.

I am currently trying to find out more information as well as contact individuals who met Alexei in person.

This is absolutely exciting and in no way am I trying to pull a fast one on anyone.... this is genuine to the best of my knowledge... and yes... I have seen some pictures personally!

[ThePrincessRoyal]

Fascinating information.... I wonder if there will be an official press release?

[Royal Fan]

Im not buying this.....yet

[Solipsistic]

Those findings are wrong... Alexei lived and so did Maria...
I'm not sure about Maria.. but information is pointing that Alexei made it to Canada and lived til 1978... he has direct descendants living there still.
The concern is... if these descendants were found to be genuine... what would that do with the money kept in the banks that the Tsar invested? These bankers do not want recognition to happen, considering those monetary investments and holdings should be worth over a billion dollars now.
That is why its being swept under the rug.

[wymanda]

And Elvis & Michael Jackson were spotted in Starbucks yesterday!!

[Solipsistic]

you laugh it off... but i'm actually serious. and i have no reason to be on this site making up fairy tales. i'm a bit too old to be making things up. so turn off your tv for a moment and think for yourself, and ask yourself... what if its true.

[Katrianna]

Originally Posted by Solipsistic

Those findings are wrong... Alexei lived and so did Maria...
I'm not sure about Maria.. but information is pointing that Alexei made it to Canada and lived til 1978... he has direct descendants living there still.
The concern is... if these descendants were found to be genuine... what would that do with the money kept in the banks that the Tsar invested? These bankers do not want recognition to happen, considering those monetary investments and holdings should be worth over a billion dollars now.
That is why its being swept under the rug.

Do you have sources for your information? I would be very interested to read them. I'm afraid I cannot accept your info at face value unless it can be proven.

[PetraHel]

Originally Posted by Katrianna

Do you have sources for your information? I would be very interested to read them. I'm afraid I cannot accept your info at face value unless it can be proven.

It would be a real miracle and I would be over the moon to read that the young boy and his sister survived the massacre and lived happily ever after, but there were so many surviving Alexeis and Anastasias, all of whom were proved to be false in the end, that it is really hard to believe this. I don´t understand one think - if he had really survived it and lived in Canada, why wouldn´t he have made his story public? Why would he have lived in secret? There were his relatives and many people who would have been happy to find him alive. His aunt lived in Canada as well - I don´t believe he wouldn´t contact her. Therefore I think that this is another false story, although I would be soo happy to be wrong...

[Lenora]

Excuse me,but I think it's completely false story,as you never knew or lived Soviet Revolution reality,it was incredibly cruel,don't forget that it killed thousands of people who were just supposed to be rich or noble,how many innocent people died in Siberia.It's a pure fairytale that has nothing to do with Red terror,the cruel reality in which the last Tzar and his family died all,RIP.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Solipsistic

you laugh it off... but i'm actually serious. and i have no reason to be on this site making up fairy tales. i'm a bit too old to be making things up. so turn off your tv for a moment and think for yourself, and ask yourself... what if its true.

Could you prove your claim? Until you prove it, i'll be

[Duchessmary]

I must dissagree. The remains of Alexis and Anastasia have been found, and DNA has proved that they died in the massacre. It's romantic and intriquing to believe otherwise, but those are the facts.

[ThePrincessRoyal]

Originally Posted by Duchessmary

I must dissagree. The remains of Alexis and Anastasia have been found, and DNA has proved that they died in the massacre. It's romantic and intriquing to believe otherwise, but those are the facts.

That's what I thought too, a few years ago (wasn't it a group of students?) that used what two of the soldiers that night had said that "they would create a mystery" or something like that and expanded the radius out, found two bodies, and proved that they were Anastasia and Alexei.

[Solipsistic]

So far I have seen pictures of his nurse/doctor Maria Kolesnievna aka Maria Vishniakova, who actually married Baron Peter Von Hohenzollern and had a daughter before leaving to Canada.
I am currently researching a list of names, of individuals who personally met Alexei (Alexoi) in Canada. There is also evidence pointing to the fact that the US Consulate might have investigated him and found him to be genuinely Alexei Romanov.
And from the stories I have been told so far by this family, all this information has started coming to light in the last couple years. They were unaware of it because it was a family secret and they have just now been piecing it together with pictures and memories.
I think this is the real deal.

The Baron Peter and Baroness Maria's daughter was the only "Royal" blood in Canada that would be suitable for a mate considering Alexei's situation. This daughter, Lydia, and Alexei also had a daughter together. Of whom she has a son and daughter. Alexei's and Lydia's daughter was never told the truth, although there were times when she was younger that her Grandmother Maria told her things. Alexei was a part of her life the whole time, through school and college.

The DNA testings they did in 2008, I believe are false, a way of closing the book. I don't believe those tests were ever done by an independent research center. They were done by government sources. All other tests done else where have come up inconclusive but they are not spoken of. I think that an independent DNA test with this family would prove them to be true.

And yes, as far as I know, Alexei did meet with his Aunt in eastern Canada. But again, it was important to hide his identity for fear the Communists would come and kill him.

I honestly believe this family is genuinely the offspring of Alexei Romanov.

[Lumutqueen]

So all this is speculation cannot actually be proved unless we have "seen" this supposed descendant?

You therefore have no evidence, other than it is your belief.

Fair enough, but IMO the whole Romanov family are resting in peace, DNA doesn't lie and I see no reasoning in the US consulate keeping this descendant a secret or those "government sources" lying about the tests done in 2008.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Solipsistic

... The DNA testings they did in 2008, I believe are false, a way of closing the book. I don't believe those tests were ever done by an independent research center. They were done by government sources.

Oh dear, I don't mean to be unkind but you really need to do some basic research before coming up with this sort of rubbish.

There are many links available which give details of the investigating personnel and the laboratories involved. For starters...

the Russian Academy of Science
the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences
Sverdlovsk Regional Forensic Bureau Laboratory, Yekaterinburg

Evgeny I. Rogaev, PhD, professor of psychiatry at the University of Massachusetts Medical School's Brudnick Neuropsychiatric Research Institute and professor of genetics at the Russian Academic Institutions, and his colleagues.

Dr. Michael Coble from the US Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory (AFDIL) in Rockville, Maryland, was invited by the Prosecutor’s Office of Russian Federation to conduct an independent investigation of the remains in October of 2007. Coble and Dr. Anthony Falsetti, of the University of Florida, traveled to Yekaterinburg in November of 2007 to examine the remains.

Coble and Dr. Odile Loreille, lead authors of the publication, also requested that another independent laboratory be involved. Dr. Walther Parson at the Institute of Legal Medicine in Innsbruck, Austria conducted an independent analysis of the remains in the spring of 2008. “It is important in an investigation of this magnitude that independent, parallel studies are conducted to confirm the results” according to Dr. Parson. In addition to the remains from 2007, both laboratories were given skeletal material from the 1991 for comparison.

Both laboratories then blindly sent their results to Dr. Peter Gill at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, Scotland, for an independent evaluation of the results.

sources for the above
Researchers publish DNA identification of czar's children
PLoS ONE: Mystery Solved: The Identification of the Two Missing Romanov Children Using DNA Analysis