Possible Brides for Nicholas II

[fearghas]

with either possible bride you would not have had the haemophilia factor. Also I beleive either woman would have made a better Empress than Alix, in terms of public appearances etc. Perhaos then, there may have been more popular support for the Romanov couple.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by fearghas

with either possible bride you would not have had the haemophilia factor. Also I beleive either woman would have made a better Empress than Alix, in terms of public appearances etc. Perhaos then, there may have been more popular support for the Romanov couple.

Good hypothesis. Another bride may have been more outgoing, or at least faked it to give the appearance of being a gracious and gay hostess.

[marian]

I think that if Nicholas had married with a german princess, probably or a sister or a cousin of the Kaiser, Rusia had heirs with haemphilia, as he had his heir with Alix. But, I think that Alix and Wilhelm II were cousins. And I believe, that the kaiser had a son with haemohilia as a brother named Sigfrid, that he died young.

But I know that the zar Alexandr III and his wife belive that Alix didnt to candidate right for wife for the future Zar. For this, They search woman for the zarevich. Nicholas was lover to Matilde Ksenshinskaia, of la bella Otero, he had many affairs before of Alix. His parents belive that so he could thing in other princess.

I am sorry for my bad English.

[COUNTESS]

Your English is lovely. Many of us, and I do, speak other languages, find it wonderful when others speak ours. Alix was not a great candidate for Tsar and Tsarina, but Nicholas loved Alix, and that was that. There was haemophilia in the German royal family, too. But they might have gotten a more fun loving and happy princess. Who knows. Alix and Wilhelm were first cousins. Their mothers were sisters. What might have changed, who knows? Nicholas II should have been smarter and seen the handwriting on the wall. Russia needed real reforms, autocracy was the "devil".

[EmpressRouge]

It seems that Vicky got lucky and didn't inherit the hemophilia gene as none of her male descendants. The German royal family got it from Alice's daughter Irene of Hesse who married her first cousin Prince Heinrich of Prussia, son of Vicky.

Also, it would have been interesting if Alix's sister, Elisabeth (Ella) had married Kaiser Wilhelm. He had intensely pursued her, but she turned him down (then again, who wouldn't). Some speculate whether her liberal ideas would have influenced Wilhelm and possibly prevented World War II had she married him. She might have also introduced hemophilia into the family like her sister Irene, but since she never had children, this is not known.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by EmpressRouge

Elisabeth (Ella) but since she never had children, this is not known.

Yeah that would have been interesting since GD Sergei was gay, but then again, Felix Youssopov managed it so it could be done. . . .

[fearghas]

An Ella/Wilelm match would probably not have worked as Ella was not the kind of woman that the Kaiser could have tolerated. She ws too much like his mother.
Nicky and Alix were a good match tempermentally AND PROBABLY WERE THE LOVES OF EACH OTHERS LIVES, but neither were up to the job of ruling such a vast/diverse and unstable empire. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Alexander III older brother (also could Nicholas IO think) had lived and Dagmar had married him as was originally planned. From what I have read he was much more like his father, Alex II, and might have been a much more reforming Tsar. What their children might have been like who knows.

[lexi4]

Originally Posted by fearghas

An Ella/Wilelm match would probably not have worked as Ella was not the kind of woman that the Kaiser could have tolerated. She ws too much like his mother.
Nicky and Alix were a good match tempermentally AND PROBABLY WERE THE LOVES OF EACH OTHERS LIVES, but neither were up to the job of ruling such a vast/diverse and unstable empire. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Alexander III older brother (also could Nicholas IO think) had lived and Dagmar had married him as was originally planned. From what I have read he was much more like his father, Alex II, and might have been a much more reforming Tsar. What their children might have been like who knows.

That is an interesting thought about Dagmar marrying Nicholas. He was more prepared to become tsar than Alexandar because no one though Alexander would be the tsar. Nicholas did really display any signs of illness. However, I do think the marriage between Alexandar and Dagmar was a happy one. But Alexandar didn't posess his father's temperament and therefore was unable to bring about reforms that were badly needed in Russia at the time. It all paved the way for the dismal failure of Nicholas.
Lexi

[lexi4]

Originally Posted by marian

I think that if Nicholas had married with a german princess, probably or a sister or a cousin of the Kaiser, Rusia had heirs with haemphilia, as he had his heir with Alix. But, I think that Alix and Wilhelm II were cousins. And I believe, that the kaiser had a son with haemohilia as a brother named Sigfrid, that he died young.

But I know that the zar Alexandr III and his wife belive that Alix didnt to candidate right for wife for the future Zar. For this, They search woman for the zarevich. Nicholas was lover to Matilde Ksenshinskaia, of la bella Otero, he had many affairs before of Alix. His parents belive that so he could thing in other princess.

I am sorry for my bad English.

You mention that Nicholas had many affairs before Alex. At the risk of showing my ignorance, could you give examples of some of these affairs? Who were the women? I only know of Matilde.
Thank you,
Lexi

[Russophile]

That's a good question. I am also only aware of Mathilde.

[morhange]

Originally Posted by marian

I think that if Nicholas had married with a german princess, probably or a sister or a cousin of the Kaiser, Rusia had heirs with haemphilia, as he had his heir with Alix. But, I think that Alix and Wilhelm II were cousins. And I believe, that the kaiser had a son with haemohilia as a brother named Sigfrid, that he died young.

But I know that the zar Alexandr III and his wife belive that Alix didnt to candidate right for wife for the future Zar. For this, They search woman for the zarevich. Nicholas was lover to Matilde Ksenshinskaia, of la bella Otero, he had many affairs before of Alix. His parents belive that so he could thing in other princess.

I am sorry for my bad English.

Wilhelm's brother Sigismund (1864-1866) as well as his other brother, Waldemar (1868-1879) both died young, but not from hemophilia. Sigi died of meiningitis, and Waldy of diphtheria, only months after his Aunt Alice of Hesse.

[Marengo]

I never heard names of any other women in Nicholas' life apart from Alix and before her Mathilde either. But I do remember reading in several books on the subject (will have to check the titles) that Nickolas did have extramarital fun during his married life too, though none of the ladies were visited frequently enough to be called a mistress.

It is said that of all the Tsars the only one to remain faithful to his wife was Alexander III btw.

[marian]

First, Hello To All. I Know That Vicky, The Royal Princess And Empress Of Prusia And Germany, Had A Son Named Sigfrid That Had Haemophilia And He Died When He Was A Boy. With Respect To The Last Zar, Nicholas Had Little Lovers, As Matilde Kschensinskaia, A Dancer Of Ballet, And La Bella Otero. I Read This In "the Last Zar" Of Edward Radzinsky And "nicholas And Alexandra" Of Robert K. Massie. I Read About His Romance With La Bella Otero In A Magazine, And Radzinsky Talk Too Of That "nicky" Had And Affair With A Woman Jewish (judia) But He Dont Put Her Name. Nicholas Know To Alix When He Was Vry Young, And He Declaret His Love To Her, But She Wanted To Have Her Religion. Iam Sorry, I Dont Remember The Word, But He Loves To Alix, But He Had This Affairs And Finished With This When Alix Say Yes To Married With Him. Too, When Nicky Traveled To Japan Befere Of His Marriage, Talk Massie That He Visited To Geishas, And Probably He Had And Affair.

[marian]

And Other Thing More, In This Books, The Writers Talk About A Secret: The Posibility Of That Alix Wasnt Virgin When She Was Married With The Tzar. Is A Secret That Probably We Dont Know. Is A Theory.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by Marengo

But I do remember reading in several books on the subject (will have to check the titles) that Nickolas did have extramarital fun during his married life too, though none of the ladies were visited frequently enough to be called a mistress.

Holy Schnickies! I'd like to know the name of that book cuz I have a hard time thinking that Alix would have let that slide!!! I am of the opinion that she had a very strong sexual hold on her husband.

[Marengo]

I am not sure about that, but the last decade or so of her life she seemed rather frail. Anyway, I will have a look in my collection if I can find the story.

[fearghas]

[quote=marian;727455]First, Hello To All. I Know That Vicky, The Royal Princess And Empress Of Prusia And Germany, Had A Son Named Sigfrid That Had Haemophilia And He Died When He Was A Boy. quote]
Vicky did not have a son called Sigfried, are you thinking of Sigismund?
Also there has been no evidence of haemophilia in Vickis line. Both Sophie and Margarethe had sons, no haemophilia, and sophie had daughters who had sons, no haemophilia there. The chances are very low that haeomophilia would not have shown up in three generations if it existed in that line.

[marian]

You are right. But, I search in others places about Haemophilia and this say this information. I understand that this son was live and he died for this. I dont remember what page was, but I search in google.

[lexi4]

Originally Posted by marian

First, Hello To All. I Know That Vicky, The Royal Princess And Empress Of Prusia And Germany, Had A Son Named Sigfrid That Had Haemophilia And He Died When He Was A Boy. With Respect To The Last Zar, Nicholas Had Little Lovers, As Matilde Kschensinskaia, A Dancer Of Ballet, And La Bella Otero. I Read This In "the Last Zar" Of Edward Radzinsky And "nicholas And Alexandra" Of Robert K. Massie. I Read About His Romance With La Bella Otero In A Magazine, And Radzinsky Talk Too Of That "nicky" Had And Affair With A Woman Jewish (judia) But He Dont Put Her Name. Nicholas Know To Alix When He Was Vry Young, And He Declaret His Love To Her, But She Wanted To Have Her Religion. Iam Sorry, I Dont Remember The Word, But He Loves To Alix, But He Had This Affairs And Finished With This When Alix Say Yes To Married With Him. Too, When Nicky Traveled To Japan Befere Of His Marriage, Talk Massie That He Visited To Geishas, And Probably He Had And Affair.

You have to be careful with Radzinsky, he has a flair for drama and not always the best at documenting what he writes. And I know of know serious scholars who have documented that Nicholas had an affair while he was married to Alix.
Lexi

[ysbel]

[quote=fearghas;727862]

Originally Posted by marian

First, Hello To All. I Know That Vicky, The Royal Princess And Empress Of Prusia And Germany, Had A Son Named Sigfrid That Had Haemophilia And He Died When He Was A Boy. quote]
Vicky did not have a son called Sigfried, are you thinking of Sigismund?
Also there has been no evidence of haemophilia in Vickis line. Both Sophie and Margarethe had sons, no haemophilia, and sophie had daughters who had sons, no haemophilia there. The chances are very low that haeomophilia would not have shown up in three generations if it existed in that line.

There were some descendents of Vicky whose deaths caused rumours of hemophilia but I'm not sure how reliable this is.