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07-23-2011, 07:58 PM
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The Russian Orthodox Church would never accept somebody else than the members of the romanov Imperial House in case of the restoration of Monarchy.
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07-23-2011, 08:03 PM
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But how much power does the Orthodox Church have in Russia nowdays?
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07-23-2011, 08:07 PM
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The Russian Orthodox Church has a lot of influence in nowadays Russia and the politicians do not ignore that.
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07-23-2011, 08:14 PM
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Really? That's very interesting.
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07-23-2011, 08:18 PM
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The Russian Orthodox Church would never accept somebody else than the members of the romanov Imperial House in case of the restoration of Monarchy.
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I wonder why.
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07-23-2011, 08:22 PM
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Even during the period of communism the Russian Orthodox Church abroad recognized Grand Duke Kirill and then Grand Duke Vladimir and Grand Duchess Maria as Heads of the Imperial House.
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07-23-2011, 10:15 PM
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I'll never understand why.
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07-24-2011, 01:28 AM
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But The Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna,who was a very strong believer (Russian Orthodox Church) even wrote that in Russia after the murder of the Imperial Family there are no legitimate heirs.It was her view,probably she had her own strong reasons.
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07-24-2011, 08:59 AM
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Olga was right about that actually. There are only pretenders, not heirs according to Pauline Law.
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07-24-2011, 09:26 AM
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Do all monarchies go by the Pauline Law?
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07-24-2011, 05:03 PM
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No. Some go by Salic Law (men only) and then others go by Right of Primogeniture (men take precedence, with women after if in fact there are no men left), and then the basic law of succession that means the eldest will reign, no matter the Gender.
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07-24-2011, 05:28 PM
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Wonderful and very serious article about the succession:
THE RUSSIAN IMPERIAL SUCCESSION
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07-24-2011, 06:23 PM
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Ok so does the Orthodox Church recognize Grand Duke Krill and his descendants to be in line for the throne?
Thanks for the link!
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07-25-2011, 02:35 AM
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The Russian Orthodox Church had always done that.The descendants of morganatic marriages are respected but not considered dynasts.
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07-25-2011, 03:11 AM
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Cory, I take it you're in the pro-Maria camp? :)
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07-25-2011, 04:35 AM
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I do not see any problem in the Russian Succession.Respecting the Laws of the Imperial Family Grand Duchess Maria is the Head of the Imperial House and her son is the Heir.Who says the contrary maybe do not know the Laws of the Imperial House very well or do not accept this reality because do not like Grand Duchess Maria as a person.
I am not a great admirer of the Grand Duchess but I can't deny she is the Head of the Imperial House.
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07-25-2011, 06:15 AM
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Ok so why is it there is a dispute over the succession?
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07-25-2011, 06:29 AM
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Ok so why is it there is a dispute over the succession?
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Because there are no direct heirs(descendants) of the last Tsar
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07-25-2011, 06:30 AM
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The descendants of morganatic marriages ( members in a private association mainly) do not accept the fact they do not belong to the Imperial House and that's why they continue to comment about Grand Duchess Maria.The European Royal Houses and the Russian Orthodox Church and the russian authorities have always recognized Grand Duchess Maria as Head of the Imperial House respecting the Laws of the Romanov Dynasty.
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07-25-2011, 06:31 AM
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Quote:
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Because there are no direct heirs(descendants) of the last Tsar
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Well I know that but the line should pick up at the next closest royal relative, is there a dispute as to who that is?
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