Monarchy and Restoration; Rival Families and Claimants

[TheTruth]

Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying. I thought it sounded contradictory to say that authorities tried to associate poor life of 90% of the population with tsarism but then saying that people expressed their opinion and voted for Medvedev without any pressure or propaganda.

[lexi4]

Originally Posted by sofajr

Russia, I think, needs a really intelligent and honest ruler, who will do everything to make the country prosperious.

I think you are exactly right.
I am not qualified to say what Russia needs...tsar or president. And since there in no throne, the answer seems pretty obvious. But an intelligent and honest leader would do much to help Russia.

[Russophile]

Honest. That's the key. Russia, like the US, can be awfully corrupt!

[lexi4]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Oh it was. Whilst the Imperial Family and their courtiers lived in extreme wealth, there was extreme poverty which affected the majority of the population. And that's probably the biggest factor in the fall of the Russian Monarchy which is why any restoration would have to have financial benefits.

BeatrixFan is correct.
Part of Russia's problem was that it was so huge. And much of the land can't be farmed. Agricultural yields were low. Part of the problem was that the average Russian yield was 1:3. That might feed a peasant and his family, but there was no surplus. There are problems the country faced, like this, that they would face under president or tsar.
IMO, the monarchy is dead. No one will ever be restored to the throne and right now there is no throne.

[sofajr]

Originally Posted by SIDOROFF

Well, that does not make the idea less well-known..
They already love him, as was shown by the elections..
Actually, such propaganda lasted for only 74 years. And this is not a problem, because it does not depend on the opinion of the people..

Mr. Sidorof, could you please provide me and everybody ekse here with current statistics, because I suspect that the poll was made only in Moscow of St. Petersburg. (this is not the whole country).

I think that is not the proper place to speak about the elections, Just say that if people voted for Medevedev, it doesn't mean averybody loves his. it means there are no other candidate in sigh. moreover people who have any idea of politics know that political games.

about propaganda: from what time do you count years? thats just interesting.

I still think that the propaganda made her work - russian are not ready to restore monarchy.

[serenissima]

Originally Posted by lexi4

BeatrixFan is correct.
Part of Russia's problem was that it was so huge. And much of the land can't be farmed. Agricultural yields were low. Part of the problem was that the average Russian yield was 1:3. That might feed a peasant and his family, but there was no surplus. There are problems the country faced, like this, that they would face under president or tsar.
IMO, the monarchy is dead. No one will ever be restored to the throne and right now there is no throne.

Yes, and also the majority of the Russian people were under-educated then and are still so today, as it seems. When one hears about those poor women and children having been kidnapped and sold off to some gangsters etc in those countries, one cannot hind one's feeling of disgust. I only hope one day, this will stop and if there is anywhere I can be part of to stop this situation, I am more than willing to do so.

It seems as though those places where the gap between those who had and who hadn't was huge had their monarchies abolished. The stability of a monarchy and its country seems to depend upon the presence of the strong middle class within its social structure.

I reckon that Spain in 1975 was almost ready to have its monarchy restored because the tourism from the UK and Germany was already in increase and people in general were becoming slightly more accessible to those materialistic things. However, in Russia, things sound to be far from it. When we see those wealthy Russian people coming over to London staying at nice hotels around Mayfair and St James's etc, we also see those poor and not-so-educated Russian people on TV etc. Golly, there was a program about this fat boy who was really obesed but, despite some medical advice, his mother and the people of their village believed that he was a reincarnation of an ancient warrier king or something and they encouraged him to eat more so that he would become fatter and become a super "sumo" wrestler or something.

Maybe, having a Tsar or Tsarista is far too remote from many Russian people's minds because before they can think about such things that are so irrelevant to their everyday lives, they would rather have their food and dignity restored at their homes, I am sure.

[Raskolnikov]

I am so glad that you speak for all Russians, I must admit all your circle represents public opinion. I think, as you know ell, that you are not speaking truthful. Many polls show Maria would be accepted, and i must add who was called to Petrograd in the early 90's, none other than her father. But being from Moscow you speak for all Russians.

Originally Posted by Mapple

I am from Russia, and in my opinion the restoration of monarchy in Russia has zero probability. This is simply not an option here.

I have spoken in such an authoritative manner, I know, but it is indeed true. Almost no one here considers the monarchical system as a possible future political development.

Russia will not exist? Really, are you Russian at all? You speak as would a "vrag soupostat" and I personally would avoid such talk. Really, this GENERAL OPINION you speak of, odd no one I know speaks like this. Serious trouble, really? I show some concern that a Russian would speak as you do..... I am thinking you may be Anti-Russian, or are you Russian at all?

Originally Posted by Mapple

The general opinion... Mostly we are content with the existing system as the least evil possible. I don't think, though, that Russia as we know it is going to survive into the 22nd Century. We shall have serious trouble on our hands in several decades.

No one thinks about restoring the monarchy, Romanov or not. It can be said that the Russians are as much against monarchy as they are against Christian fundamentalism--no one thinks that either is a thing worth pondering, that is.

[GlitteringTiaras]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it differs vastly from yours; moreover, please let's keep the tone respectful as well as civil, please. Thank you.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

... Really, are you Russian at all? ... I show some concern that a Russian would speak as you do..... I am thinking you may be Anti-Russian, or are you Russian at all?

The nationality of the member you are doubting is indeed Russian.

[Al_bina]

Dear Raskolnikov,
I dare to presumer that there is a big difference between polls and a process of restoration. As I have stated multiple times, the Russian people need stability and feel confident about the future. This may not necessarily involve restoring monarchy. If Putin and Medvedev can provide this much needed stability, Russian people will follow them without subjecting themselves yet to another social experiment. What exactly can Grand Duchess do for Russians that cannot be done by Putin and Medvedev? Russians have suffered a lot, they should be allowed just to live.

[Emperor Wilhelm IX]

Just jumping in here with my $.02. I have not read the entire thread but skimmed it.

I think at this point any country wishing to restore a monarchy, including Russia, the restoration would need to be practical and serve a purpose which would meet the needs of the country. But I wonder if in the general population if the minds of many people view monarchy as outdated and irrelevant? I don't see it that way, but I wonder if others do?

[BorisRom]

The Russian Church believes Nicholas II should set a pattern for nowadays Russian politicians

Moscow, June 18, Interfax - The Russian Orthodox Church urges to unveil the myth about Emperor Nicholas II as a weak-willed politician and believes that today political leaders have a lot to learn from him, Interfax-Religion has reported.
"Emperor Nicholas II was an example for politicians of his time and I believe he should set the pattern for politicians nowadays," Archbishop Vikenty of Yekaterinburg and Verkhniaya Tura said in his interview to the Yekaterinburgskaya Initsiativa website.
"When we study his state activity, we see that he applied Christian values he had been educated in at his policy. He tried to implant these values to the leaders of other states he was communicating with," the archbishop said.
According to him, organizing an international court in The Hague was the effective result of the last Russian emperor's activity.
"Many states of the world use his good idea and other international institutes such as the United Nations emerged later and on its base. It proves that Emperor Nicholas II was an important world political figure as he was an appeaser of all states and a peacemaker," the archbishop stressed.
He also noted that population increase exceeded 3 million a year under Nicholas II and "if we had kept on, we would have had 600 million of Russians today."
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=4805
More see:
http://www.interfax-religion.ru/?act=radio&div=885 (in Russian)

[Michael HR]

Having a Tsar would allow Russia to link with it's past and act as a figure head for the future while remaining outside politics. HM Queen Elizabeth II or Queen Beatrix are good examples of this. They tie the country together in a broad way and give it an identity to look towards.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by Michael HR

Having a Tsar would allow Russia to link with it's past and act as a figure head for the future while remaining outside politics. HM Queen Elizabeth II or Queen Beatrix are good examples of this. They tie the country together in a broad way and give it an identity to look towards.

That's an interesting way of looking at it because they have, IMO, a bit of a thuggy reputation right now.

[BorisRom]

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=4944

Nicholas II still leading in suspended famous Russians poll

Moscow, July 16, Interfax - Anyone wishing to vote for a particular outstanding Russian figure in the contest called "Russia's Name. Historical choice-2008" will now have to wait: the voting on the official website has been suspended.
"Dear visitors, the poll has been temporarily suspended for technical reasons," the website said on Wednesday, on the page of the contest conducted by the Rossiya TV channel, the Russian Academy of Sciences' Institute of Russian History and the Public Opinion center.

Read the entire article here.

[NotAPretender]

My Russian-based colleagues feel that any monarchy restoration or rejuvenation there is simply absurd; it is "unwarranted" and "foolish." They're not fervent revolutionists or anything of the like; I occupy a financial universe, and so do they. They enjoy capitalism at its best.

One cracked to me during a visit that even the wealth flowing in Russia now might not be enough to feed M.V. and her son, tracing fingers in the air for, er, roundness. So it's not as though they find the pretenders all that impressive either.

No, like France, done is done on the royal end in Russia, methinks. I can't see there being any benefit to a Russian royal family. It would not be unifying (there already *is* Russian unity,) and a "royal" family is not going to advance the reputation of the nation internationally. Those would be the only reasons to even think about restoring a monarchy. Russia certainly has had stable leadership, economically it continues to advance, it has a strong monetary system.

A royal family would be dilutive, not accretive. So why bother?

[Michael HR]

I suppose the only way for this to be decided is to put it to the Russian people as a vote. If no thats the end of it. If yes they would then have to decide which familly to elevate, one assumes the Romonoff's, and which member to be Tsar/Tsarina along with which form the Crown takes, as one assumes autocrat would not be brought back.

[Al_bina]

Russia is no pressing need of any societal transformations. As noted by NotAPretender, current Russians- young westernized professionals- do not embrace an idea of restoration. What can a newly restored Tzar do those can not be done by the current government? Additionally, restoration is fraught with some complicated issues (e.g., property redistribution and reparations to former nobles and rich people, who lost everything during nationalization of 1917). I am sure that new rich people do not wish to share their newly acquired property.

[BorisRom]

Most Russians stand for Nicholas II rehabilitation - a poll


Moscow, November 17, Interfax - About 70 percent of Russians approves of Nicholas II and his family rehabilitation, while only 11 percent are against it, the All-Russia Public Opinion Research Center has found out.

The poll held in November in 140 cities and towns of 42 regions, districts and republics of Russia, proved that majority of those who back up the decision of the Russian Supreme Court to rehabilitate the last Russian Emperor and his family are supporters of the Yedinaya Rossia and Spravedlivaya Rossia political parties (74 percent and 70 percent correspondingly.) Inhabitants of big cities and villagers (73 percent) and Russians aged from 25 to 59 (71-72 percent) agree with them.

Followers of the Communist Party (27 percent) and residents of towns (15-18 percent) are usually against rehabilitation of the royal family.

According to the poll, Nicholas II leads the rating of the most attractive figures of revolutionary times (44 percent.) The research also showed that the number of Russians who cherished kindly feelings to Lenin and Stalin has thrice reduced for the last three years (from 50 percent to 42 percent and from 37 percent to 28 percent correspondingly,) whereas the number of those who are negative about Nicholas II has reduced from 28 to 22 percent.

In full see:
Interfax-Religion

[Baroness Squigy]

If living descendants of Grand Duchess Anastasia were found? I mean, I heard right now the Russian people really want to restore the Monarchy, would that give it the extra push it needs? Now, I know many of you will say they won't find her descendants cause she was killed with the rest of the Romanovs, but that's not the subject here.