Identification of the remains found in 2007: Alexei and Marie (Coble, 2009)

[AGRBear]

Originally Posted by Anna was Franziska

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You, bear, seem to allege that the female found in the burn pit last year is not the fourth and missing daughter, but a part from one of the others. NO ONE in the news or anywhere else has even suggested this, just you, just here (except maybe on your forum too) Some AA supporters may agree with you out of a desire to keep their claimant dreams alive, but Bear,this theory is YOUR baby and no one else's, and it's really not valid.
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Since some of the early reports tell us that the estimated height of the female found in the pits was about 5 feet 2 inches tall while Maples tells us that body #5 was GD Marie and was about 5 feet 6 inches tall, which we know that she was. At this time, I tend to think, if the four markers are presented, that it's GD Anastasia's found in the pits.

Press replease found on S.E.A.R.C.H. 26 Nov 2008 tells us we haven't long to wait, 8 Dec. 2008
http://www.searchfoundationinc.org/N...s-Release.html

'Till we hear the annoucement, I've a house to finish.

AGRBear

[Anna was Franziska]

Bear, for the last time, I am NOT NOT NOT talking about the Anastasia/Marie issue. I'm talking about you believing (as you have stated before) that bones were planted in the burn pit to trick people into thinking it was a fourth daughter.

So Bear, you do believe that Anastasia died with her family?

Oh and thank you for the Search Press release! I can't wait to see what they say! This should be posted in the 'new information' thread too because that's what it is, we finally have some! IF SEARCH is announcing it, then it must be really big, the real deal. They have not always endorsed announcements made in the press, so if they are for this one, that proves it's finally the answers we've been waiting for.

[Anna was Franziska]

Here is some valuable information I would like to share. I have had personal contact with Dr. Michael Coble, and he said we can be assured that:

1. They do have FULL forensic DNA profiles for ALL seven members of the family, (including four separate Grand Duchesses) and we can finally put the issue to rest that all of the family died that night 90 years ago. (therefore all claimant stories are now proven beyond any doubt to be false)

2. Alexander III was NOT exhumed for the testing, that was a mistake by the Russian article, or relayed incorrectly in the translation. The 'father and son' mentioned were actually Nicholas and Alexei, not Nicholas and Alexander III as the one article implied. They did indeed test Nicholas's cousin, Andre Romanov, and his Y chromosome also matched Nicholas and Alexei perfectly.

3. The Russians have obtained a full nuclear STR pattern on the bloodstain in the Otsu shirt, and it does match the Nicholas skeleton profile.

4. It is true that we have astronomical evidence in the case. This puts an end to all speculation. Also, the argument that "It's some other family" is no longer viable.


5. He is in the process of writing the final report and scientific publication and should have something in the press soon. All results will soon be published in a scientific journal, and afterward will be posted here by Dr. Coble himself.

This is exciting news. I thank Dr. Michael Coble for his help and this information. You can all look forward to the upcoming publications.

[Anna was Franziska]

Here is the press release from Dr. Coble, I post it with his permission:

US, European Scientists Report Findings of the Two Missing Romanov Children

An international team of researchers confirm the identity of the Tsar’s two missing children using forensic DNA testing.

Forensic DNA testing of skeletal remains of two individuals discovered in a field outside of Yekaterinburg, Russia in 2007 belong to Crown Prince Alexei Romanov and one of his sisters, ending one of the greatest mysteries of the twentieth century. The study, is published March 11th in the online, open-access, peer-reviewed journal PLoS ONE.

On July 17, 1918 Tsar Nicholas II, his wife Alexandra, their five children, the family physician, and three loyal servants were murdered by their Bolshevik executioners to prevent an attempted rescue from the nearby White Russian Army, who were loyal to the Tsar. After a botched attempt to hide the remains in an abandoned mine shaft, the Bolsheviks first tried to cremate two of the children (those discovered in 2007) and then buried the remaining nine bodies in a mass grave (officially discovered in 1991).

Dr. Michael Coble from the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory (AFDIL) in Rockville, Maryland, was invited by the Prosecutor’s Office of Russian Federation to conduct an independent investigation of the remains in October of 2007. Coble and Dr. Anthony Falsetti, of the University of Florida, traveled to Yekaterinburg in November of 2007 to examine the remains.

The results demonstrate the presence of a family group, and represent the most comprehensive examination of the Romanov remains to date. “Here we are able to give a full account of all of the Romanov family and can conclude that none of the family survived the execution in the early morning hours of July 17, 1918,” the scientists note in the paper.

“It’s rewarding to finally conclude this mystery 16 years after the first analysis of the remains,” reported Dr. Gill.

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PLEASE ADD THIS LINK TO THE PUBLISHED ARTICLE IN ONLINE VERSIONS OF YOUR REPORT: http://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0004838 (link will go live tommorrow)

CITATION: Coble MD, Loreille OM, Wadhams MJ, Edson SM, Maynard K, Meyer CE, Niederstätter H, Berger C, Berger B, Falsetti AB, Gill P, Parson W, Finelli LN (2009) Mystery Solved: The Identification of the Two Missing Romanov Children Using DNA Analysis. PLoS ONE