Grand Duke Georgi, son and heir of Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna (2008-Oct. 2021)

[kirillovec]

Monarchists' Endowment in Development of Foreign Policy -

[Al_bina]

It is nice to see Grand Duke Georgi trying to improve foreign relationships between Russia and its neighbours.
I wonder what members of the Moscow Nobility Assembly are going to discuss about the Central Asia. The discussion will be disingenuous because the tsarist government was not much better than the communist one.

[Benjamin]

A site with photos of George Mikhailovich and his family, several of which I had not before seen:

http://www.spletnik.ru/blogs/govorya...ij_mixajlovich

[Al_bina]

Thanks for the blog entry!
Unsurprisingly comments under the article are unfavourable.

[kirillovec]

http://nikolaevec.livejournal.com/ta...ич - photos of George Mikhailovich

[Benjamin]

Well, this is the first time I have seen Grand Duke George mentioned in the Daily Mail...thank goodness he is not the main subject of the article!

See: Agent Anna The Man Hunter: London flatmate reveals how she and Russian spy used sex to prey on a string of oligarchs | Mail Online

[Al_bina]

Thanks for the article!
It is a rather good photo of Grand Duke Georgii. Is the second aristocrat Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg?

[MAfan]

Yes, he's indeed Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume.

[Lenora]

As I've understood lady Gabriella isn't dating anyone at the moment.But I think about her possible future husband,if she marries Russian official pretender to the throne The Prince Georgii Romanov,than it could be great!

[Al_bina]

The union may be possible, if there is some possibility of the restoration. However, I do not think that Lady Gabriella will be agreeable to such idea.

[Jeannie]

If Grand Duke Georgi's maternal grandmother, Princess Leonida, was called "Her Serene Highness Princess Leonida Georgievna Bagration-Moukhransky" does that title travel down to GD Georgi or was it only his grandmother's title because she was the direct issue of the Georgian crown prince?

I noticed that his mother's claim to the Russian throne seems to hinge on the royalty (as opposed to nobility) of Princess Leonida's birth, and I can't find anywhere that he or Grand Duchess Maria are titled a prince/princess of Georgia, even if it is their cousins who are the main claimants to the Georgian throne.

Basically I'm asking could GD Georgi be called a Bagration-Moukhransky prince by birth or would his 2nd cousin (claimant to Georgian throne) have to give him the title?

I know a lot of the royal families reigning monarch's cousins are titled 'prince' or 'princess' of that family and I was curious as to why this doesn't crop up with GD Georgi, if the Georgian royal connection is so important to them - or is it politically expedient for them as Russians not to be connected with the Georgians?

Hope this isn't a dumb question....

With thanks,
Jeannie

[Lenora]

You know,people who know him appreciate his work,as well as his mother's ,I do think.But anyway Georgi Romanov is official heir to the throne of Russia.

[kirillovec]

Grand Duchess Maria is the Head of the House of Russia, and therefore Queen of Georgia. This applies to the Grand Duke Georgy.

[MAfan]

Georgi is not a member of Bagration dynasty, thus he can't claim or bear any of the titles of that House. His grandmother was born Princess Bagration-Mukhraneli, but her title didn't transmit to her descendants.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by kirillovec

Grand Duchess Maria is the Head of the House of Russia, and therefore Queen of Georgia. This applies to the Grand Duke Georgy.

Georgia is an independent nation and her father, Grand Duke Vladimir, ruled the Bagrations were of royal rank in 1946, with the right to be "HRH Prince/Princess of Georgia".

Given that decision, Maria would never claim to be Queen of Georgia as Tsarina de-jure of all Russias, especially since it would weaken the Vladimirovchi's claim to be the undisputed pretender to the throne due to her cousins' unequal marriages.

[reginalix]

Exactly, Georgia is an independant nation now. Also Maria «*Tsarina of all Russias*» or Nicholas «*Tsar of all Russias*» gave up the «*subtittle*» «*King or Queen of Georgia*».

Furthermore in imperial Russia, only Bagration Gruzinsky family had the highest rank among the princes of the Empire beside Yussupov, Dolgoruki, Odoievsky, Galitzin... because descendants of sovereign princes, kings, khans...
From a strictly Georgian point of view, in the former Georgian kingdom, above all dismemberment then the «*arrival" of the Russians, only the Bagration Gruzinsky were crown princes. They are the royal pretenders today.
Bagration Mukhransky, branch of the deceased Princess Leonida, were registered in the registers of the Georgian nobility as junior and aristocratic branch of the royal branch.

[NotAPretender]

Originally Posted by Jeannie

If Grand Duke Georgi's maternal grandmother, Princess Leonida, was called "Her Serene Highness Princess Leonida Georgievna Bagration-Moukhransky" does that title travel down to GD Georgi or was it only his grandmother's title because she was the direct issue of the Georgian crown prince?

I noticed that his mother's claim to the Russian throne seems to hinge on the royalty (as opposed to nobility) of Princess Leonida's birth, and I can't find anywhere that he or Grand Duchess Maria are titled a prince/princess of Georgia, even if it is their cousins who are the main claimants to the Georgian throne.

Basically I'm asking could GD Georgi be called a Bagration-Moukhransky prince by birth or would his 2nd cousin (claimant to Georgian throne) have to give him the title?

I know a lot of the royal families reigning monarch's cousins are titled 'prince' or 'princess' of that family and I was curious as to why this doesn't crop up with GD Georgi, if the Georgian royal connection is so important to them - or is it politically expedient for them as Russians not to be connected with the Georgians?

Hope this isn't a dumb question....

With thanks,
Jeannie

No such thing as a "dumb" question - I've always been impressed with the knowledge sharing here.

Originally Posted by reginalix

Exactly, Georgia is an independant nation now. Also Maria «*Tsarina of all Russias*» or Nicholas «*Tsar of all Russias*» gave up the «*subtittle*» «*King or Queen of Georgia*».

Furthermore in imperial Russia, only Bagration Gruzinsky family had the highest rank among the princes of the Empire beside Yussupov, Dolgoruki, Odoievsky, Galitzin... because descendants of sovereign princes, kings, khans...
From a strictly Georgian point of view, in the former Georgian kingdom, above all dismemberment then the «*arrival" of the Russians, only the Bagration Gruzinsky were crown princes. They are the royal pretenders today.
Bagration Mukhransky, branch of the deceased Princess Leonida, were registered in the registers of the Georgian nobility as junior and aristocratic branch of the royal branch.

Well said, and a major impediment to Maria/Georgy's claims.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by reginalix

Exactly, Georgia is an independant nation now. Also Maria «*Tsarina of all Russias*» or Nicholas «*Tsar of all Russias*» gave up the «*subtittle*» «*King or Queen of Georgia*».

Furthermore in imperial Russia, only Bagration Gruzinsky family had the highest rank among the princes of the Empire beside Yussupov, Dolgoruki, Odoievsky, Galitzin... because descendants of sovereign princes, kings, khans...
From a strictly Georgian point of view, in the former Georgian kingdom, above all dismemberment then the «*arrival" of the Russians, only the Bagration Gruzinsky were crown princes. They are the royal pretenders today.
Bagration Mukhransky, branch of the deceased Princess Leonida, were registered in the registers of the Georgian nobility as junior and aristocratic branch of the royal branch.

Yes, the Mukhransky line was always junior and inscribed in the Fifth Book of Nobility during Imperial Russia. This is the main point of contention among the Romanovs regarding Maria's claim to have succeeded her late father, Grand Duke Vladimir, as Head of the Imperial House.

In their view, Maria is also morganatic as her mother was not royal and her marriage to Vladimir was unequal. Therefore, the headship passed to Nicholas Romanovich after Vladimir's death (although technically Dimitri Ilyinsky is the senior male morganaut) as Maria is a woman.

[kell]

TIME: R.I.P.--At Long Last last lines had me laughing i had to admit ok just to clearify its about him and the last paragraphs where funny when it talked about gergeo and made russ kinda rite

[Lenora]

A Very Happy Birthday to the Prince Georgii Romanov!Today he celebrates his 30th birthday.