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But dearest Eya,nobody knows her there!I know,as Portugal is my second home.
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Has Maria Vladimirovna been with the Dukes of Braganza?
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01-06-2019, 09:18 AM
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the Tsesarevich is the Son of a Tsar and not of the head of the House who is only a Grand Duchess.
The late Prince Alexis will be for ever the very last one.
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01-06-2019, 09:46 AM
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the Tsesarevich is the Son of a Tsar and not of the head of the House who is only a Grand Duchess.
The late Prince Alexis will be for ever the very last one.
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The term used in the message is Tsesarevich, not Tsarevich; i think this is correct, see
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsesarevich
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01-06-2019, 09:58 AM
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the Tsesarevich is the Son of a Tsar and not of the head of the House who is only a Grand Duchess.
The late Prince Alexis will be for ever the very last one.
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Until the birth of Grand-Prince Alexey, the eldest brother of Nicholas II was the Tsarevitch. This brother, Grand-Prince Georgy, however died in 1899. Now the next younger brother, Grand-Prince Michael, was the heir. He was not named Tsarevitch because of policy and superstition.
Policy: the third daughter of Tsar Nicholas II was just born, again no male heir, and the Tsar thought officially designating Grand-Prince Michael as the new Tsarevitch was only highlighting his lack of a heir.
Superstition: the Tsar thought designating an official Tsarevitch was challenging the Gods: he then would certainly not get a son. (The Tsar and Tsarina were under ill1! - advised influence of idiots pre-Rasputin).
Source: Helen Rappaport - The Romanov Sisters
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01-06-2019, 10:10 AM
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And he got a son, but very sick, which sickness didn't give perspective for a long life.
Even without the Revolution, Grand Prince Michael could outlive his nephew.
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01-06-2019, 10:24 AM
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And he got a son, but very sick, which sickness didn't give perspective for a long life.
Even without the Revolution, Grand Prince Michael could outlive his nephew.
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Alexey was the Tsesarevich (the heir-apparent). Note the different spelling.
His uncles Georgy and Michael were Tsarevich (the presumed heir).
In English this difference is often lost and Alexey wrongly named Tsarevich. He never was Tsarevich: he was the last Tsesarevich of All Russia.
So the son of Maria Vladimirovna is not called Tsesarevich (heir apparent) but Tsarevich (presumed heir) as his mother is the presumed Head of the House. In a sense this styling is correct, actually.
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01-06-2019, 10:59 AM
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So the son of Maria Vladimirovna is not called Tsesarevich (heir apparent) but Tsarevich (presumed heir) as his mother is the presumed Head of the House. In a sense this styling is correct, actually.
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As Lee-Z noted, the message clearly uses Tsesarevich, not Tsarevich.
The Head of the Imperial House of Russia,
H.I.H. the Grand Duchess Maria of Russia,
And H.I.H. the Heir, Tsesarevich, and Grand Duke George of Russia
extend their heartfelt thanks to all their countrymen and to friends of Russia around the word,
who have sent them their holiday greetings,
and likewise send greetings for a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in 2019,
wishing everyone good health, happiness, spiritual strength, and God’s help
in all their endeavours.
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Until the birth of Grand-Prince Alexey, the eldest brother of Nicholas II was the Tsarevitch. This brother, Grand-Prince Georgy, however died in 1899. Now the next younger brother, Grand-Prince Michael, was the heir. He was not named Tsarevitch because of policy and superstition.
Policy: the third daughter of Tsar Nicholas II was just born, again no male heir, and the Tsar thought officially designating Grand-Prince Michael as the new Tsarevitch was only highlighting his lack of a heir.
Superstition: the Tsar thought designating an official Tsarevitch was challenging the Gods: he then would certainly not get a son. (The Tsar and Tsarina were under ill1! - advised influence of idiots pre-Rasputin).
Source: Helen Rappaport - The Romanov Sisters
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His uncles Georgy and Michael were Tsarevich (the presumed heir).
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Did you mean to write "uncle Georgy" rather than "uncles Georgy and Michael"? As you pointed out with your first post citing Helen Rappaport - The Romanov Sisters, Michael was not granted the titles of an heir to the throne.
Georgy is addressed here, on the cover of a copy of a 1899 ceremonial, as "Césarévitch". https://www.vialibri.net/years/items...este-lempereur
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Grand-Princess Maria Nicholaevna, the third daughter, was one month old when her uncle Tsarevich Georgy Alexandrovich died. As Tsar Nicholas II still had no male heirs, the expectation was that he would confirm his youngest brother Grand-Prince Michael Alexandrovich as the new Tsarevich.
Out of policy and because of superstition the Tsar refused to confirm his youngest brother. Later, when it became clear that the (then 6/7 years old) Tsesarevich Alexej Nicholaevich was extremely vulnerable, in 1911/1912 the Tsar considered to confirm his youngest brother as Tsarevich, but then Grand-Prince Michael Alexandrovich married a twice-divorced non-royal lady without the Tsar's approval and by doing so he threw himself out of the Imperial House.
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01-13-2019, 04:14 AM
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Grand-Princess Maria Nicholaevna, the third daughter, was one month old when her uncle Tsarevich Georgy Alexandrovich died. As Tsar Nicholas II still had no male heirs, the expectation was that he would confirm his youngest brother Grand-Prince Michael Alexandrovich as the new Tsarevich.
Out of policy and because of superstition the Tsar refused to confirm his youngest brother. Later, when it became clear that the (then 6/7 years old) Tsesarevich Alexej Nicholaevich was extremely vulnerable, in 1911/1912 the Tsar considered to confirm his youngest brother as Tsarevich, but then Grand-Prince Michael Alexandrovich married a twice-divorced non-royal lady without the Tsar's approval and by doing so he threw himself out of the Imperial House.
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Floppy didn't exactly throw himself out of the House,but he and Natalia "transferred themselves" to comfortable England.With all my might I never could understand why of all people he had to have Natalia.Probably in essence because he was a bit of a spoiled brat with not to much sense of responsibility....Not untill it was too late.
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Tsar Nicolas II was against the wedding of Grand Duke Cyril with the divorcee Princess Melitta of Hesse.
Without this wedding no Grand Duchess Maria ...
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