On this thread I think a simple "Maria Vladimirovna" is a perfectly polite and uncontroversial way to refer to the Grand Duchess. But the obfuscating employed by some posters is not meant to avoid controversy, obviously it's the exact opposite.
Now, to address the comment made by the person who used to call Prince Nicholas of Romania "Prince Nicholas of Romania" but switched to "Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills" or the "son of Princess Elena of Romania"; whose name starts with a "C", ends in a "y" and has an "or" in the middle. Does Maria Vladimirovna's reference to a "coup in Kiev" constitute support of Russian aggression?
I don't know enough about what happened to have an opinion on whether or not it should be called a coup. But it looks like it is not just the Russians who call the overthrow of President Yanukovych a coup, or question its legality.
It had many of the features of a coup; protests, violence, military involvement, and the sudden ousting of a political leader. For Maria Vladimirovna to call it a coup is not necessarily incorrect, but it does show her sympathies are with President Yanukovych. Can you extrapolate that as explicit approval of Russian expansionist tendencies? I think that might be pushing things a bit far, particularly when the rest of the Grand Duchess's comments stress peaceful co-existence between Russia and Ukraine.
The Ukraine situation is the Pandora box. As you will understand, the guilt has been assigned. No one, who lives in enlightened European countries, is interested in details.
It is always interesting to see words spewed about and what actually happened. The reporting from Russia is always skewed and by the way, almost no one here cares, except for the killing and obvious overtake by professional soldiers dubbed as separatists. The Crimea overtake was by all means obfuscated by the fact that those weren't just ordinary folk who happened to get uniforms, but a professional move which worked terrifically. The same in Ukraine. But, this is not the argument. call her Maria. Call her Maria Vladimirova. Call her anything you want, what is wrong with the daughter of???Calling her son "chubby" was impolite.
If you go the facebook page of Natalia Poklonskaya, you will see she is quite proud of the honour she received from Grand Duchess Maria Vladimira Romanova. It seems that she is being invited by pro-Russian monarchists in regions that have or where many want to returrn to Russia. She is someone they associate with Russia and they treat her like a monarch and she then visits. She had her 400th anniversary celebration in Crimea before the conflict because I they were welcoming to their would-be monarch unlike Russia. I do not think this has anything to do with Putin, and is really just about monarchists in the former Romanov empire inviting her to visit and her this showing up. She likes being treated as a Monarch.
When the title of a person is disputed we try to avoid to use a "title" not accepted by all.
Cory, please don't play these silly games. As explained to you more than once in the Royal Families of Italy subforum, this website is The Royal Forums and we (and I don't just mean me) go by the accepted royal usage of names and titles. Continuing to protest and/or pretend that the Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna is not the Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna is as pointless as it is childish.
Crimea was conquered under Catherine II (technically speaking, Romanov) and brought into the fold of the Russian Empire. So Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna's views on the current Crimea situation are not that surprising.
I for one think that the positive experiences of the USSR (as a power structure) have nothing to do with the thread. Also it is a futile exercise to explain these aspects/experiences to citizens of the USA and other enlightened regimes.
Yes, you are right and I visited the Old Soviet Union, I found very little positive about it. Of course, the Romanov reign had little to add to decent living for ,most of its citizens, too. I wish you better than Putin and Maria Vladimirova.
You naughty thing AristoCat. Stirring up trouble again are we?
Supporting Crimea’s return to Russia, after only sixty years as part of Ukraine, is not indicative of support for the “invasion and conquest” of Ukraine (and maybe something like “supporting and funding military insurgency” would be a more accurate description). I think Crimea should be part of Russia, as, it appears, do, the majority of Crimea’s citizens. But as for the rest of Ukraine, it should quite clearly be left alone. Her Imperial Highness, the August and Pious Lady, Maria Vladimirovna, Grand Duchess of Russia, Head of the Imperial House of Russia, in the link posted by AristoCat, states quite clearly that:
Neither the Russian Empire nor the Soviet Union can be restored in the form in which they existed. Integration is possible in new forms. The positive experience of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union should be taken into account, and the mistakes that led to their collapse should be analysed as well. I firmly believe that there is still a common cultural space in the former Russian Empire. This is much more valuable than the state and political unity, which can be ephemeral and vulnerable. And civilisational unity, well-knit by centuries-old spiritual, cultural and social factors, is much deeper.
Not exactly the words, to my way of thinking, of a war-mongering fiend hungry for territorial gain.
Now, to the difficult question of the positive experiences of the Soviet Union. Well, I think there are at least two worth highlighting:
I think the health of the citizens of the Soviet Union might have improved after the revolution (that is if they survived war and persecution). There also are probably positive legacies in science, technology, literature, music, film and art. I considered sporting achievements for a moment, but maybe that one is best left off the list.
But, of course, we are now way off topic. So to get back to the topic at hand, IrkutskMedia.ru has some nice pictures of the visit of Her Imperial Highness, the August and Pious Lady, Maria Vladimirovna, Grand Duchess of Russia, Head of the Imperial House of Russia, to Ulan-Ude and Irkutsk. It looks like she's enjoying herself.
Maria Vladimirovna Romanova, Grand Duchess of Russia, is just echoing the opinion of the immense majority of the Russians: Crimea was, is and remains Russian. With this the pretender is nicely in line with her fellow citizens.
... IrkutskMedia.ru has some nice pictures of the visit of Her Imperial Highness, the August and Pious Lady, Maria Vladimirovna, Grand Duchess of Russia, Head of the Imperial House of Russia, to Ulan-Ude and Irkutsk. It looks like she's enjoying herself.
Who can resist a splash of colour? Too good to pass up, so for the record...
vThe Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna in Ulan-Ude, Republic of Buryatia, Russia (just north of Mongolia)
The thumbnail images form cropped portions of larger photographs.
Who can resist a splash of colour? Too good to pass up, so for the record...
vThe Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna in Ulan-Ude, Republic of Buryatia, Russia (just north of Mongolia)
The thumbnail images form cropped portions of larger photographs.
Thank you for posting those Warren and that last one? I think that's the best picture I have ever seen of the Grand Duchess. All the other ones I've seen were from formal/Gala events and the vivid eyeshadow colours she uses...Well...It doesn't do her any favours at all and I'll leave it at that. Here though, her makeup is perfect for a Daytime event and shows what a truly striking woman she is.
Thanks again to you and also Chubb Fudder for originally finding and sharing. :)
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In 1891 the Tsesarevich Nicholas visited Irkutsk. An Арки Цесаревича (Tsesarevich Arch) was built to honour the imperial visit. It was destroyed during the revolution. Last year, to celebrate the 400th anniversary of the House of Romanov, plans were announced to restore the arch.
The Tsesarevich Arch can be seen to the left of the Church of Our Saviour.
At the end of her visit to Irkutsk, Grand Duchess Maria visited the site of the arch.
It looks like the visit has been quite a success. I've enjoyed seeing the pictures of Irkutsk and Ulan-Ude. It's made me want to have another trip on the Trans-Mongolian and Trans-Siberian railway. It would be interesting to see how much has changed since 1993.
Unveiling of the foundation stone of the Tsarevich Nicholas Memorial Arch, Irkutsk July 2014
vThe Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna in less exotic and colourful company
→ model of the Tsarevich Nicholas Memorial Arch
The thumbnail images form cropped portions of larger photographs.
I've been going through some of my folders of links and came across this account of Grand Duchess Maria's official visit to Australia in 2007. I did a quick search and it does not appear to have been posted before, so here it is. It's in Russian, but there is an English summary at the end. There are also photos of all the official invitations to many of the Grand Duchess's engagements.
I only found out the Grand Duchess had been in town the day after she left. I was a bit miffed as I could have ducked out of work to see her when she visited the Lord Mayor of Melbourne. I hope someone at the Town Hall showed the Grand Duchess the building's foundation stone. it was laid by her great-grandfather, the Duke of Edinburgh, in 1867.
Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirova comes from the most senior Romanov line, where two marriages maybe are open for discussion about yes or no being strictly Ebenbürtig (the two marriages involving Princess Victoria Melita of Edinburgh and Princess Leonida Georgievna Bagration-Moukhranskaya) but in comparison with the other lines, Maria Vladimirovna's line undoubtedly comes the closest in meeting the requirements.
What I admire too is her visibility and her energy. Until the end of the USSR, it were Maria Vladimirovna and her parents who were unstoppable in their energy, zest and commitment for the tsarist cause. They remained visible. Only after the fall of the USSR, other Romanovs popped up and demanded their own place under the sun.
Yes, I definitely regard Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna as chef de la famille.
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