Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna: June 2008-

[Al_bina]

It appears that Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna tries too hard to endear herself to the powers that be.

[AristoCat]

She holds the deaths of the Imperial Family over hte heads of the Russian nation all the stupid time and seems to have some sort of sick fixation on the murders. I bet that Cyril would have merrily executed Nicholas herself if it meant getting the throne himself.

tries too hard to endear herself to the powers that be.

She sucks up to every regime, it's quite disgusting. She was all over Yeltsin, all over Medvedev, sucks up to Putin who was KGB and had no issues killing any dissenters of Communist Russia (the very regime that mudered Nicholas) and she shows up much of a family tradition it is to backstab the rest of the Romanovs in pursuit of her desire for a throne.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by AristoCat

...She was all over Yeltsin, all over Medvedev, sucks up to Putin...

Also known as realpolitik.

[Biri]

Happy Birthday to the Duchess!

[Alexey 1904]

AristoCat: About your post 539, I couldn't have said it better myself.

[AristoCat]

Thank you Alexey.

[TomBert]

Well I think your posts on the Grand Duchess never fail to display an irrational and intense distaste for a woman you have probably never met. As such they come across as repetitively tiresome. Your assumptions about the Grand Duchess's motives are not supported by any evidence. In what way does the Grand Duchess hold "the deaths of the Imperial Family over the heads of the Russian nation all the stupid time"? It seems to me the Grand Duchess's attitude to the murders of 1917 is simply to support the opinion of the Orthodox Church. Also, as most Russians do not have a clue who she is tends to make your comment a tad exaggerated. The Maria Vladimirovna you talk about is a caricature, and you are just rude about her son (I seem to remember something about a "porky prince").

I don't understand why the Grand Duchess annoys you and some other posters so very much, and why you feel the need to constantly vent your spleen by lashing out at her. I have an intense distaste for "Downton Abbey" (overrated; nothing more than a soap opera - give me EastEnders any day), so I keep away from that thread. If it is constructive criticism I am quite happy to look into the evidence. But if all you have to add to the subject are irrational generalisations and personal insults, I'm not interested and I wish you would keep your vitriol to yourselves.

[AristoCat]

Originally Posted by Warren

Also known as realpolitik.

For what reason? She has no office in Russia that requries her to be around diplomats and there is no reason at all to believe that there will be a restoration and there is no way that it's a good idea to end up playing with fire the way she is. These officials in Russia, many of them are the descendants to the people who lined her relatives up against a wall, without a twinge of regret.

There have been successive heads of the Russian state making it clear that a restoration is impossible and after a while, you would think she would give up.

[TomBert]

But the Grand Duchess is not pursuing restoration, as she has made perfectly clear time and again. Obviously there is not going to be a restoration in Russia, but her role as Head of the Imperial House, as an historical institution, does require, as she sees it, a certain degree of public visibility. I do agree that her relationship with some of those odd little republics is questionable. But I do not know enough about them, and their relationship with the Russian Federation, to come to a definite conclusion on that topic.

But some of the Grand Duchess's official visits are completely acceptable and take place with the official approval of the Russian Government. Her 2007 visit to Australia was accorded official recognition by the Australian and State Governments. In Victoria she stayed at Government House as a guest of the Governor. A state dinner was given in her honour, and she carried out numerous public engagements of a cultural, religious and historical nature. All very respectable and in keeping with a good old fashioned royal visit.

I love her larger than life approach to her role as Head of the Imperial House. She brings colour, not to mention a certain eccentricity, to a drab world. Good luck to her I say.


No red flags, just red carpets, for grand duchess - National - theage.com.au

P.S. What have "successive heads of the Russian state" actually said about restoration? Quotes please.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by AristoCat

For what reason?...
There have been successive heads of the Russian state making it clear that a restoration is impossible and after a while, you would think she would give up.

Realpolitik: "a policy of political realism or practical politics, that is, the politics of the real word rather than politics based on theoretical, moral, or idealistic concerns."

examples:
A restoration in Serbia is unlikely, yet Crown Prince Alexander has an accommodation with the government;
A restoration in Albania is unlikely, yet Crown Prince Leka has an accommodation with the government;
A restoration in Romania is unlikely, yet King Michael has an accommodation with the government;
A restoration in Germany (or Bavaria or Württemberg, or Waldeck-Pyrmont for that matter) is unlikely, yet the Heads of those Houses have accommodations with their respective governments...

These officials in Russia, many of them are the descendants to the people who lined her relatives up against a wall, without a twinge of regret.

Oh please, the irrational and emotive hyperbole. Using your logic, Maria Vladimirovna should shun contact with any member of the House of Windsor descended from the King who coldly abandoned the Tsar to his fate, or any person who is a descendant of someone who waged war on Imperial Russia and thereby directly contributed to her dynasty's downfall. And since when has Vladimir Putin been held personally responsible for the Imperial murders at Ekaterinburg, Alapaievsk and St Petersburg?

Apart from that nonsense, I doubt that you have any personal knowledge whatsoever of the Grand Duchess's twinges or lack thereof.

[AristoCat]

I wonder what sort of Czarina she would make if in fact she did rule Russia by now.

[Ceallach]

Originally Posted by Warren

Realpolitik: "a policy of political realism or practical politics, that is, the politics of the real word rather than politics based on theoretical, moral, or idealistic concerns."

examples:
A restoration in Serbia is unlikely, yet Crown Prince Alexander has an accommodation with the government;
A restoration in Albania is unlikely, yet Crown Prince Leka has an accommodation with the government;
A restoration in Romania is unlikely, yet King Michael has an accommodation with the government;
A restoration in Germany (or Bavaria or Württemberg, or Waldeck-Pyrmont for that matter) is unlikely, yet the Heads of those Houses have accommodations with their respective governments...

Montenegro too has an accomodation, and Bulgaria had their would-be king as president. Many non-reigning royals have carved out royals officially and also unofficually such as through charity work.

[MAfan]

The topic of the legitimacy of Maria Vladimirovna's claims to the Headship of the Imperial Family has been extensively debated in this thread, where everything is explained:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ily-16024.html

[Warren]

As so much of this thread, beginning with the opening post, is actually about Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna and her son,
it has been merged into the GD MV thread.

Warren
Non-Reigning Houses moderator

[Warren]

The more recent posts have been moved to the Monarchy and Restoration: Rival Families and Claimants thread.

[Al_bina]

Mingling with rich Russians in Monaco (scroll down to see photos)

The second L'Etincelle charity gala in Monaco | Tatler.ru

According to Tatler.ru, Grand Duke Georgi also attended the gala and gave his silver business card holder for the charity auction.

The second L'Etincelle charity gala in Monaco| Spletnik.ru

Grand Duchess Maria Vladmirovna chatted with Mrs. Ludmila Narusova, whose husband, Anatoly Sobchak, was Mr. Putin's mentor.

[Cory]

The Head of the House of Romanoff visits St. Petersburg, Valaam, and the Island of Kizhi, July 11-16, 2013

[Alexey 1904]

What a load of bologna that Nicholas II and Alexandra Feodorovna were not listed as part of the Tsars and Tsaritsas. 'HIH's'grqndfather was a traitor and friend of the Bolsheviks who was allowed to survive because he hoisted a Communist flag outside his castle. She is no more a royal than her grandparents were.

[Andolini]

Wow, people need to lighten up here - it's not like any of these pretenders are actually going to have any real power, in my opinion. Not going to happen in this day and age. She amuses me, she has quite the personality and style!

[AristoCat]

Originally Posted by Alexey 1904

What a load of bologna that Nicholas II and Alexandra Feodorovna were not listed as part of the Tsars and Tsaritsas. 'HIH's'grqndfather was a traitor and friend of the Bolsheviks who was allowed to survive because he hoisted a Communist flag outside his castle. She is no more a royal than her grandparents were.

She has GALL listing only her immediate family members; not even listing Dowager Empress Marie Feodorovna and Alexandra/Nicholas.