Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna: June 2008-

[Alexey 1904]

Maria V. must be very happy that a partial breakaway 'country' now recognizes her as a member of the defunct Imperial Family. The two other Romanov males who remain should be the 'Tsar' and Tsarevich' depending on who is older, and Prince Georgi Hohenzollern will still not be 'Tsarevich' no matter how much his mother may disagree!

[TomBert]

I can not agree with Miss Manners that it is a lapse of protocol to refer to Maria Vladimirovna's as an Imperial Highness and a Grand Duchess of Russia. I don't know about the White House, but when the Grand Duchess made an official visit to Australia in 2007 she stayed at Government House here in Melbourne as the guest of the Governor of Victoria. She was listed in the Vice-Regal Notes by her imperial style and title, and was guest of honour at an official dinner hosted by the Governor. In Canberra the Grand Duchess visited Parliament House as an official visitor, accompanied the First Secretary of the Russian Embassy. Again her imperial style and title were used. None of this would have been possible without some sort of approval from the Russian government.

The Grand Duchess is also received and acknowledged by her style and title all over Europe; the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, the Pope, the reigning and non-reigning houses of Europe. To address her as anything else would be, in my opinion, a true breach of protocol.

Grand tribute to Russian Anzacs | Herald Sun

Official Visit to Australia by Grand Duchess Maria of Russia

[branchg]

I agree. The diplomatic and etiquette protocol is to address a royal personage by their style and title as a matter of courtesy, whether or not that title reflects a reigning house.

Regardless of whether people agree Maria Vladimirovna is the rightful heir to the Russian throne, she is unquestionably a Grand Duchess of Russia and Imperial Highness as the daughter of HIH Grand Duke Vladimir Kirllovich, de-jure Tsar of All Russias and Head of the Imperial House.

She is always addressed as "Her Imperial Highness" and referred to as "Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna" in Russia and elsewhere.

[Cory]

The dialogue of the Grand Duchess with the local authorities of Tiraspol is rather strange.

[Next Star]

Now I am one of those who dispute your her claim not because I dislike like her but what the old house laws says that is my reason.Some people did not think she has the right to hold the style of Her Imperial Highness nor the title of Grand Duchess.

[Artemisia]

Originally Posted by branchg

I agree. The diplomatic and etiquette protocol is to address a royal personage by their style and title as a matter of courtesy, whether or not that title reflects a reigning house.

Regardless of whether people agree Maria Vladimirovna is the rightful heir to the Russian throne, she is unquestionably a Grand Duchess of Russia and Imperial Highness as the daughter of HIH Grand Duke Vladimir Kirllovich, de-jure Tsar of All Russias and Head of the Imperial House.

She is always addressed as "Her Imperial Highness" and referred to as "Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna" in Russia and elsewhere.

Maria Vladimirovna's right to hold the title Grand Duchess and the style of Imperial Highness are very much subject of dispute. She certainly insists both are used when referring to her, but that doesn't mean she is actually entitled to either. All her styles and titles are by courtesy, as is the case with royals of all former monarchies; as such, individuals, officials and organisations may choose to use or omit them.

I haven't actually seen Maria Vladimirovna addressed to as "Her Imperial Highness" or "Grand Duchess" anywhere in Russia (apart from the Church). In fact, she is almost always referred to as "self-styled Grand Duchess" or "one of the pretenders to the Russian Throne". Not that most Russians are even aware of her existence, mind you.

[Cory]

The head of the chancellary of the Grand Duchess in Ukraine :

The Director of H.I.H.

Ukraine is an independent country and I do not understand why Grand Duchess Maria and her advisers have to do with it.

[Artemisia]

Grand Duchess is pretender to the Throne of the Russian Empire - and Ukraine used to be part of the Russian Empire. Obviously, she doesn't have anything to do with the modern Ukrainian republic, and I doubt the majority of Ukrainians even know about her existence.

[Cory]

If she tries to support imperialist ideas she has no chance to ever become an Empress.

[Artemisia]

Maria Vladimirovna has no chance anyway, so she might as well have a bit of fun.

[Cory]

Ukrainians are not usually too close to the Russians so...

[Al_bina]

To the best of my knowledge, the Eastern part of Ukraine tends to have a more friendly attitude toward Russians and all things Russian than the Western part.

[Cory]

The western part of Ukraine is mainly greek-catholic and the Russians are not very welcomed in that region.

[Al_bina]

Greeks are not Catholics, Polish are. The West Ukraine has got a lot of people with Polish roots.

[reginalix]

The Greek Catholic church or the uniate church in Ukraine is a church born when the Poles managed to conquer cities - states belonging to Riukhikides (first dynasty of the oriental Slavs). It is about a compromise of some catholics orthodoxes not to be persecuted as most of the orthodox Christians. Even today it's a church with the orthodox rites and dogms but placed under the authority of the Pope of Rome. Vatican is moreover disappointed to have been able never "to convert" the Catholics Orthodoxes and to have made them Roman Catholics. The Greeks like the Russians (in the cultural sense of the Rus' are Orthodox Catholics.

[Alexey 1904]

Near my house is a church which is classified 'Ukranian Catholic'. I've been there. They do not cross themselves such as Catholics do, but as Orthodox Christians do. What would you classify the people who attend this church as in terms of nationality?

[Al_bina]

Originally Posted by reginalix

The Greek Catholic church or the uniate church in Ukraine is a church born when the Poles managed to conquer cities - states belonging to Riukhikides (first dynasty of the oriental Slavs). It is about a compromise of some catholics orthodoxes not to be persecuted as most of the orthodox Christians. Even today it's a church with the orthodox rites and dogms but placed under the authority of the Pope of Rome. Vatican is moreover disappointed to have been able never "to convert" the Catholics Orthodoxes and to have made them Roman Catholics. The Greeks like the Russians (in the cultural sense of the Rus' are Orthodox Catholics.

Thanks for the information!

[Alexey 1904]

Just saw on FOX news that Mr. Putin got 58-59% of the vote to win the Russian election. Of course there are people who are protesting this. I wonder how GD Maria will feel when she hears the news.

[COUNTESS]

What difference does that make. She is a non-entity in this arena. Actually, she is a non-entity in all political arenas.

[Cory]

The Greek-Catholic Churches reprezent that part of the Byzantine Churches that remained faithful to Rome or returned to the communion with Rome after 1438-1439.The greek-catholics were persecuted both by the Tsars (until 1905) and the communist because the Russian Orthodoxy could not stand the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church.