Engagement of Grand Duke George Mikhailovich of Russia & Nob. Rebecca Bettarini

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Gawin

While Grand Duke George is not a descendant of Crown Princes Cecilie, he does have a link with Kira who was his great-aunt, the sister of his grandfather Grand Duke Vladimir. Kira became ill while attending Vladimir's fiftieth birthday and died of a heart attack en-route to the hospital.

Ferdinand of Leiningen is a great-grandson of Grand Duchess Marie, another sibling of Kira and Vladimir. She married Prince Karl of Leiningen. Marie also suffered a heart attack and died while visiting her brother Vladimir.

Maybe the lesson, don't visit Vladimir if you have a heart condition

While yes more remotely related to Kira,not a direct descendent. And the tiara was made for Cecilia, not her daughter in law.

But again with the numerous tiaras in Georgie's mother's possesion, there is little need to borrow froma different branch.

[Gawin]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

Maybe the lesson, don't visit Vladimir if you have a heart condition

While yes more remotely related to Kira,not a direct descendent. And the tiara was made for Cecilia, not her daughter in law.

But again with the numerous tiaras in Georgie's mother's possesion, there is little need to borrow froma different branch.

Makes you wonder how his daughter acquired all her tiaras.

[Heavs]

Goodness was Vladimir hiding behind furniture and jumping out at his sisters?

Forgive the comparison but wouldn't borrowing this tiara be a little like Ella Windsor borrowing a tiara that her great-grandmother Queen Mary had worn? Theoretically she could ask and theoretically HM might agree, but there's really no need as her mother has two lovely ones.

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Heavs

Goodness was Vladimir hiding behind furniture and jumping out at his sisters?

Forgive the comparison but wouldn't borrowing this tiara be a little like Ella Windsor borrowing a tiara that her great-grandmother Queen Mary had worn? Theoretically she could ask and theoretically HM might agree, but there's really no need as her mother has two lovely ones.

It would be more like Ella borrowing a tiara that belonged to the Queen Mum or Princess Alice.

Georgie's connection to the tiara is it was worn by his Great Aunt Kira.

His descent is a generation further back then Ella. Queen Alexandra and not Mary would be the proper comparison. But the tiara was never owned or worn by Georgie's great-great grandmother Augusta. It came into the family through his great-grandfather's sister in law Cecilia (wife of his brother the crown prince). Cecilia's daughter in law Kira though was his Great Aunt.


But Ella didn't need to borrow any tiara as her line of the family has tiaras. And Georgie's family has tiaras as well.

[fabaunty]

What tiaras does GD Georgie's mother actually own ? I have never seen a picture in which she has been photographed wearing a tiara that she / her family actually own .

[Gawin]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

It would be more like Ella borrowing a tiara that belonged to the Queen Mum or Princess Alice.

Georgie's connection to the tiara is it was worn by his Great Aunt Kira.

His descent is a generation further back then Ella. Queen Alexandra and not Mary would be the proper comparison. But the tiara was never owned or worn by Georgie's great-great grandmother Augusta. It came into the family through his great-grandfather's sister in law Cecilia (wife of his brother the crown prince). Cecilia's daughter in law Kira though was his Great Aunt.


But Ella didn't need to borrow any tiara as her line of the family has tiaras. And Georgie's family has tiaras as well.

No, the Queen Mother and Princess Alice were married to Ella's great-uncles, just like Kira was George's great-aunt. So it's not a generation further back. It would be more like Ella borrowing a tiara that had belonged to her grandfather's sister Mary (aka the Princess Royal & Countess of Harewood).

But I agree with you about the tiara. No need for George's bride-to-be to borrow from another relative when his mother has plenty of her own.

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Gawin

No, the Queen Mother and Princess Alice were married to Ella's great-uncles, just like Kira was George's great-aunt. So it's not a generation further back. It would be more like Ella borrowing a tiara that had belonged to her grandfather's sister Mary (aka the Princess Royal & Countess of Harewood).

But I agree with you about the tiara. No need for George's bride-to-be to borrow from another relative when his mother has plenty of her own.

I love your selective editing of my posts

Here are the key parts you chose to edit out

It would be more like Ella borrowing a tiara that belonged to the Queen Mum or Princess Alice.

Georgie's connection to the tiara is it was worn by his Great Aunt Kira.

I mentioned the Queen Mum and Alice instead of Mary as Mary's tiaras were sold off by her family when she died. The Queen Mum and Alice still have tiaras around for their great niece (by marriage) to ask to borrow.


The point being that borrowing from your great aunt (Elizabeth or Alice) is not the same as borrowing from your great-grandmother (Mary) as was the proposed comparison.

[Gawin]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

I love your selective editing of my posts

Here are the key parts you chose to edit out




I mentioned the Queen Mum and Alice instead of Mary as Mary's tiaras were sold off by her family when she died. The Queen Mum and Alice still have tiaras around for their great niece (by marriage) to ask to borrow.


The point being that borrowing from your great aunt (Elizabeth or Alice) is not the same as borrowing from your great-grandmother (Mary) as was the proposed comparison.

I did not selectively edit your post. I misunderstood it. I often find your garbled grammar difficult to understand.

[Queen Ester]

Originally Posted by REAL COUNTESS

Finally a date. Hope this Virus will be over with and we will see Royals with Tiaras. This will be a great event Looking forward to it.

I wonder which Royal Family will get an invitation, and who is brave enough to travel to Russia in October if the pandemic is still not under control.

[Gawin]

Originally Posted by Queen Ester

I wonder which Royal Family will get an invitation, and who is brave enough to travel to Russia in October if the pandemic is still not under control.

George is a godson of King Constantine of Greece but I doubt he will attend considering his poor health. Other royals who attended his baptismal ceremony included King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia of Spain and King Simeon and Queen Margarita of Bulgaria, who I assume will be invited.

[Queen Ester]

Originally Posted by Gawin

George is a godson of King Constantine of Greece but I doubt he will attend considering his poor health. Other royals who attended his baptismal ceremony included King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia of Spain and King Simeon and Queen Margarita of Bulgaria, who I assume will be invited.

and Maria will pay for everyone's accommodations, St. Petersburg is not a cheap city? Also, the political situation in Russia is very tense at the moment, I wonder how the subjects of Queen Sofia, for example, might react if she goes to Russia. EC is actually in a verbal war with Russia at this time.

[maria-olivia]

Does the Romanov still have relatives ?

His cousins of Prussia descendants of Grand Duchess Kira will attend also

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Does the Romanov still have relatives ?

His cousins of Prussia descendants of Grand Duchess Kira will attend also

The Leiningen family is closely related to Georgie and his mother.

Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich of Russia and Victoria Melita had three children. Maria, Kira and Vladimir.

-Maria married Friedrich Karl, Prince of Leiningen.They are the parents of the current head of the house of Leiningen, Karl Emrich.

-Kira married Louis Ferdinand, Prince of Prussia and was the grandmother of George Friedrich of Prussia.

-Vladimir: married Princess Leonida Bagration of Mukhrani and is the father of Maria and grandfather of Georgie.


There are other Romanoff pretenders but they are more distantly related. The rival claimant is 98 and lives in the US so even if they felt any pressure to invite him, he wouldn't be attending.



And of course his other Prussian cousins. Kira was his Great Aunt on his mother's side. Then there are his Prussian relatives on his father's side. His father had two brothers and two half sisters from his father's third marriage. One of his brothers is dead but the other Franz Friedrich is alive and has a daughter. His two half-sisters are alive, but one lives in South America so not sure she or her husband and kids would be close. The other Alexandra lives with her husband and 2 children in Germany.

[maria-olivia]

Karl Emich lost his rights of Head of the House of Leiningen in 1991 when he married Renate Thyssen. She left him to marry the Aga Khan and divorced also.

The actual Head is his younger Brother Andreas.

Karl Emich is now Anton Bakhov 's Emperor Nicolas III , I don' t think he will be among the guests.

[eya]

A tiara by Maison Chaumet for Rebecca:

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[Heavs]

Well that solves the wedding tiara question then. Interesting to get a look into the choosing process.

[Queen Ester]

I am sure if this discussed here before, but this will a morganatic marriage, right? So, their children will not be able to inherit the title?

[Benjamin]

POINT DE VUE:
REBECCA VICTORIA ROMANOVNA BETTARINI
The Tiara of the Bride-to-Be

THE FIANCÉE OF GRAND DUKE GEORGE OF RUSSIA GOES TO CHOOSE THE MAIN ACCESSORY SHE WILL WEAR ON HER WEDDING DAY OCTOBER 1ST IN ST. PETERSBURG. A PIECE CREATED BY THE HOUSE OF CHAUMET WITH WHICH SHE FELL IN LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT.

THE STORY OF A SPECIAL DAY.

http://www.russianlegitimist.org/new...v9GYLT_x0e9l3I

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Queen Ester

I am sure if this discussed here before, but this will a morganatic marriage, right? So, their children will not be able to inherit the title?

Most likely this is just a temporarily solution to save the face of Maria Vladimirovna Romanova, whose position is very much cemented on dynastic marriages.

But when Georg considers himself the Chef of the House,he can declare his own marriage dynastic. No problem.

Via paternal line he is HRH Prince Georg of Prussia anyway apart from any claimed Russian title.

[CyrilVladisla]

This is the first time that we have been informed what tiara a bride will wear before her actual wedding day occurs.