As you maybe have seen, I have had no problems finding materials in old threads. The problem is: You are mistaken.
Anna Anderson's claim to be Grand Duchess Anastasia
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As you maybe have seen, I have had no problems finding materials in old threads. The problem is: You are mistaken.
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You have plenty of problems finding the stuff I've posted, because you keep asking the same questions. Use the search feature! If you can't find it here read the thread on the topic on AP in the "Final Chapter" section. Or better yet stop rehashing!
I used the search feature, and here it is:
Perhaps in an effort to spare herself from the same fate, or to guarantee her later safety, she found Rodionov, telling him not only of the fortune in jewels concealed beneath the clothing of the three young women, but also where the items could be found: "The buttons on her coat aren't buttons," she revealed, "they're diamonds"; "the aigrette of that hat conceals a diamond from the shah of Persia"; and "that belt there - underneath it are ropes of pearls." (Bykov, October 17, 1927, in TsDOOSO, f.41, op 1, d. 149.) (Tsentr dokumentatsii obshchestvennykh organizatsii Sverdlovskoi oblasti, Ekaterinburg ( formerly Sverdlovsk Party Archives.)
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As has been discussed before, this is inaccurate,* since the Bolsheviks had no idea there were jewels sewn into the clothing until they were taking their clothes off after the execution. This is why they were so surprised the bullets bounced off and flew around the room they didn't know about the corsets lined with jewels!Don't you think if they had known they'd have confiscated them and sold them to fund their cause? Also Bux got NO favors from the Reds, she ran for her life for over a year in fear and only snuck out of the country with the help of the British when they controlled Omsk. How many times have I told this story? But regardless of all this, AA was not AN (or Tatiana) and Bux knew it. Her denoucement was a huge blow to AA supporters, so naturally, like they did to others, they had to attack her character in an attempt to discredit her.
(*will not get into the reasons I doubt that one source, and anyway, it does not mention a name, just Mdm. X. The thread on AP I mentioned will explain it all)
And for the record, I found the direct quote by Bux- it was the real AN she was talking about. You can see how a woman who knew a girl who spoke Russian, English and French and knew 'only a few German words' would suddenly choose only to converse in that one language and not know the others. Look at how she said she acted with Clara Peuthert, no wonder Bux could tell what a shameless fraud she was!
When Ms. Peuthert saw that the unknown one remained completely mute and did not show that she recognized me, she tried to attract her attention by whispering some words into her ear in German and showing photographs of the Imperial family to her. She pointed to the Empress, while saying: 'Tell me, isn't that mamma?' (Or similar words). In the end she put into her hands a copy of a Russian New Testament with ribbons of the Russian national colors. All these attempts failed, the patient remained mute and strove to hide her face with her cover or her hands. I must point out that the Grand Duchess Anastasia hardly knew any German words and that she pronounced them with a strong Russian accent."
(*will not get into the reasons I doubt that one source, and anyway, it does not mention a name, just Mdm. X. The thread on AP I mentioned will explain it all)
And for the record, I found the direct quote by Bux- it was the real AN she was talking about. You can see how a woman who knew a girl who spoke Russian, English and French and knew 'only a few German words' would suddenly choose only to converse in that one language and not know the others. Look at how she said she acted with Clara Peuthert, no wonder Bux could tell what a shameless fraud she was!
When Ms. Peuthert saw that the unknown one remained completely mute and did not show that she recognized me, she tried to attract her attention by whispering some words into her ear in German and showing photographs of the Imperial family to her. She pointed to the Empress, while saying: 'Tell me, isn't that mamma?' (Or similar words). In the end she put into her hands a copy of a Russian New Testament with ribbons of the Russian national colors. All these attempts failed, the patient remained mute and strove to hide her face with her cover or her hands. I must point out that the Grand Duchess Anastasia hardly knew any German words and that she pronounced them with a strong Russian accent."
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No I am afraid it's all too true! To make things even more outrageous and bring more comedy relief, the guy is an Elvis impersonator! Garishly dressed Las Vegas Elvis only!
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There isn't any mention of a parade in Nicholas's or Olga N's diaries on 5th June 1915.
No, we know that the box of jewels that they had was also not taken away from them. And as I have posted before, Yurovsky knew about the jewels in the clothing.
So why were the others shot and Buxhoeveden let go?
All witnesses who describe AA's German, said it was "faulty" "words strung together" "total disdain for grammar" "heavy Russian accent". Sounds like something Anastasia would have spoken.
Thank you, Tian. What exactly does the diary say about Anastasia getting her own regiment?
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They confiscated anything they found, they got Olga's gun. They did NOT know about the jewels in the clothing until the execution was over. This is evident in all accounts, including Yurovsky's.
For the hundreth time: SHE WAS MISTAKEN FOR A SWEDE DUE TO HER NAME (which was Danish) and they weren't taking foreign nationals in fear of angering other countries. She was put out with Gilliard (Swiss) and Gibbes (British) and they didn't want to leave the family! Now I know your next line 'what about Schneider' I don't know why she alone with a foreign name was not let go. But Bux was let go with Gibbes and Gilliard and they certainly didn't 'betray' anyone. The group including Bux and the two tutors was told to leave Ekaterinburg or be killed, so they did still have a chance of being killed. They did hang around awhile, in fear of their lives, sneaking around the house area, and saw Nagorny getting taken away. And of course spent the next year running for their lives with NO favors from any Reds.One other shot against this theory is that she did not want to be separated from the family, and that she- and none of the others- had any idea anyone would be killed at that time so 'saving your skin' was not on anyone's mind!
"All?" Like who? That's not what I read, no one significant, no one who knew AN well. AA's accent was NOT Russian. A woman on another forum said her husband was Russian and he told her it sounded Polish. Others describe it as 'germanic' or undeterminable. She DID use German all her life as her language of preference, this is well documented. This fits right in with what FS would do, not AN. Just hang up the language argument, you lose.
And as I posted earlier, Yurovsky was the one who wrote that the jewels in the clothing bothered him no end. And where is your source?
No, her name was German. And again, what is your source?
First of all the Berlin Police who called her "the unknown Russian woman" due to her accent. Second, Harriet Rathlef Keilmann, who said that she had that hard Russian emphasis on the last syllables. The duke of Leuchtenberg said her German was so faulty that it was clear that it was not her first language. Tatiana Botkin said that it was hard to understand her, even a funny story about her cat she could not tell properly due to lack of grammar and vocabulary, it was just words strung together. Dr. Eitel was also amazed at her small vocabulary and total disdain for grammar and classification of nouns. The same thing was said by Felix Dassel. Of course, after many years in Germany, she learned to write and speak it somewhat well, but her written German contained many mistakes.
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Look at the Yurovsky note and other descriptions of the executions and burials. They were clearly surprised by the jewels in the clothes. What you posted is wrong.
Her own book, Left Behind. I think she would know her own ancestry.
I only see AA supporters say this. Others just called her Miss Unknown.
AA supporter trying to help her, grasping at straws.
And his son said she didn't know English or Russian and used German. Did the good Duke ever wonder why her first language wasn't Russian?
Sigh just as I thought, same litany of supporters trying to grasp at straws.
Dream on and on. German was her language of choice and her best language. As YOURSELF this- if she knew Russian, English or French, why did she choose to use German, even among native Russian speakers? SHE WAS FS!
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Sophie Bux:
I tried to attract the young woman's attention as I caressed her hair and speaking to her in English while using the types of phrases I would have used while speaking with the Grand Duchesses, but I did not refer to her by any name other than 'Darling'. She did not reply and I saw that she did not understand a word of what I had said, ....
When Ms. Peuthert saw that the unknown one remained completely mute and did not show that she recognized me, she tried to attract her attention by whispering some words into her ear in German and showing photographs of the Imperial family to her. She pointed to the Empress, while saying: 'Tell me, isn't that mamma?' (Or similar words). In the end she put into her hands a copy of a Russian New Testament with ribbons of the Russian national colors. All these attempts failed, the patient remained mute and strove to hide her face with her cover or her hands. I must point out that the Grand Duchess Anastasia hardly knew any German words and that she pronounced them with a strong Russian accent.
Felix Y.
I claim categorically that sheisnot Anastasia Nicolaievna, but just an adventuress, a hysteric and a frightful playactress. I simply cannot understand how anyone can be in doubt of this. These pretenders ought to be gathered up and sent to live in a house somewhere." He had spoken to her in all four languages, Russian, English, French and German, and he reported she only answered him in German.
Dmitri Leuchtenberg, the Duke's son
. When Mrs. Tschiakovsky arrived in Seeon she did not speak or understand Russian; she did not speak or understand English, except for what she learned from lessons taken in Lugano and in Obersdorf before coming to Seeon; she did not speak or understand French. She spoke only German with a north German accent. Grand Duchess Anastasia, on the contrary, spoke always Russian to her father, English to her mother, understood and spoke French and did not speak any German.
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When Olga entered the room, the woman lying on a bed asked a nurse: “Ist das die Tante?”[Is this the Aunt?] “That”, confessed Olga, “at once took me aback. A moment later I remembered that the young woman having spent five years in Germany, would naturally have learnt the language, but then I heard that when she was rescued from that canal in 1920, she spoke nothing but German – when she spoke at all- which was not often. I readily admit that a ghastly horror experienced in one’s youth can work havoc with one’s memory but I have never heard of any ghastly experience endowing anyone with a knowledge they had not had before it happened. My nieces knew no German at all. Mrs Anderson did not seem to understand a word of Russian or English, the two languages all the four sisters had spoken since babyhood. French came a little later, but German was never spoken in the family."
From Dr. Melton, who is from Charlottesville and was involved in the AA DNA testing:
I "met" Anderson once, her habit was to eat dinner at a local cafeteria with her husband frequently, and they left their old station wagon outside usually full of dogs, always black labrador retrievers. On the occasion that I met her, one of the dogs had escaped through a partially open window while the Manahans were inside the restaurant. My husband and I grabbed the dog, and he went in to tell them about what had happened. She came out of the restaurant, put the dog back in the car, scolding it loudly in a language I was not familiar with.
Kashoub Polish perhaps? Don't forget too that she was heard to yell out in Polish in church in her old age.
other witnesses:
"It was not the English of someone who had spoken English since childhood as Anastasia did." said the English writer, Michael Thornton, when he met her in 1960. "The accent was Germanic, the sentence structure German, the grammar hopeless."
Dave Howey, who met Anderson, by then Mrs. Manahan, when he was a cadet at a Virginia military academy in 1977, wrote of their meeting that "Her husband talked for her since she spoke very little English. Her only functional language was German, her Russian having been wiped out, we were told, as a result of the trauma from seeing her family gunned down in the cellar of a house in Ekaterinburg, Russia."
I tried to attract the young woman's attention as I caressed her hair and speaking to her in English while using the types of phrases I would have used while speaking with the Grand Duchesses, but I did not refer to her by any name other than 'Darling'. She did not reply and I saw that she did not understand a word of what I had said, ....
When Ms. Peuthert saw that the unknown one remained completely mute and did not show that she recognized me, she tried to attract her attention by whispering some words into her ear in German and showing photographs of the Imperial family to her. She pointed to the Empress, while saying: 'Tell me, isn't that mamma?' (Or similar words). In the end she put into her hands a copy of a Russian New Testament with ribbons of the Russian national colors. All these attempts failed, the patient remained mute and strove to hide her face with her cover or her hands. I must point out that the Grand Duchess Anastasia hardly knew any German words and that she pronounced them with a strong Russian accent.
Felix Y.
I claim categorically that sheisnot Anastasia Nicolaievna, but just an adventuress, a hysteric and a frightful playactress. I simply cannot understand how anyone can be in doubt of this. These pretenders ought to be gathered up and sent to live in a house somewhere." He had spoken to her in all four languages, Russian, English, French and German, and he reported she only answered him in German.
Dmitri Leuchtenberg, the Duke's son
. When Mrs. Tschiakovsky arrived in Seeon she did not speak or understand Russian; she did not speak or understand English, except for what she learned from lessons taken in Lugano and in Obersdorf before coming to Seeon; she did not speak or understand French. She spoke only German with a north German accent. Grand Duchess Anastasia, on the contrary, spoke always Russian to her father, English to her mother, understood and spoke French and did not speak any German.
Olga A.
When Olga entered the room, the woman lying on a bed asked a nurse: “Ist das die Tante?”[Is this the Aunt?] “That”, confessed Olga, “at once took me aback. A moment later I remembered that the young woman having spent five years in Germany, would naturally have learnt the language, but then I heard that when she was rescued from that canal in 1920, she spoke nothing but German – when she spoke at all- which was not often. I readily admit that a ghastly horror experienced in one’s youth can work havoc with one’s memory but I have never heard of any ghastly experience endowing anyone with a knowledge they had not had before it happened. My nieces knew no German at all. Mrs Anderson did not seem to understand a word of Russian or English, the two languages all the four sisters had spoken since babyhood. French came a little later, but German was never spoken in the family."
From Dr. Melton, who is from Charlottesville and was involved in the AA DNA testing:
I "met" Anderson once, her habit was to eat dinner at a local cafeteria with her husband frequently, and they left their old station wagon outside usually full of dogs, always black labrador retrievers. On the occasion that I met her, one of the dogs had escaped through a partially open window while the Manahans were inside the restaurant. My husband and I grabbed the dog, and he went in to tell them about what had happened. She came out of the restaurant, put the dog back in the car, scolding it loudly in a language I was not familiar with.
Kashoub Polish perhaps? Don't forget too that she was heard to yell out in Polish in church in her old age.
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"It was not the English of someone who had spoken English since childhood as Anastasia did." said the English writer, Michael Thornton, when he met her in 1960. "The accent was Germanic, the sentence structure German, the grammar hopeless."
Dave Howey, who met Anderson, by then Mrs. Manahan, when he was a cadet at a Virginia military academy in 1977, wrote of their meeting that "Her husband talked for her since she spoke very little English. Her only functional language was German, her Russian having been wiped out, we were told, as a result of the trauma from seeing her family gunned down in the cellar of a house in Ekaterinburg, Russia."
Andn how did Buxhoeveden KNOW this? Just because AA did not answer her, does not mean that she did not understand her.
Yes, she answered in German to any language when in Germany. And Felix was the son-in-law of Xenia, who opposed AA sight unseen and told Olga to not under any circumstances acknowledge the unknown woman in Berlin.
Yes, Dmitri knew the real Anastasia really well!!! He was the only one of the Leuchtenberg children who was almost hostile to AA and went as far as lying about Kastritsky and AA's behaviour in church. His father, the Duke of Leuchtenberg, wrote that AA knew Russian perfectly well, but an inhibition prevented her from speaking it. (She actually spoke quite a bit of Russian at Seeon.) He also said that she understands, speaks and writes English. As for Lugano, see Rathlef's book.
This is pure fiction according to those who were there. AA did not say a word when Olga entered the room, she just "turned red and looked happy". Afterwords, Zahle asked her why she had not said anything when Olga came in. And as you might remember, Frau Rathlef sent her manuscript to Olga for approval, and got it.
And as we all know, they all learned German in school. They obviously did not speak it well, but neither did AA.
Yes, after having lived half her life in Germany
We all know how Mr. Manahan made excuses for her when she did not want to speak to strangers. She spoke perfect English, as we all have heard on the few programs with her. And just think of all the Miliukoff tapes, nothing but English there. If she were FS, she would have spoken GOOD German without any accent, she would have understood and talked Low German as well like Felix did, and she would have spoken neither English nor Russian like AA did in already in the early 20's.
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In a room alone with Felix, a native Russian speaker?! If she were AN, why not use Russian? Answer: SHE WAS FS!
Olga was there, and I believe her.
If someone learns English first, that would be the basis of their grammar and structure. This doesn't change when you learn other languages. I've known several German women who married American GIs and have been here for 60 years yet still have German accents and grammar structure.
LOL. I have heard her talk on those tapes, her English was ATROCIOUS!
How do you know how she'd sound?
AA DID NOT SPEAK RUSSIAN OR ENGLISH IN THE EARLY 20s!(just like FS!) I have even posted you extensive proof. You just refuse to accept it.
Where on earth did you get the idea that they met in a room alone? Professor Rudnev went to her room to tell her that he was there with Felix, and she only consented to see him in the garden in the company of Rudnev and the Duke of Leuchtenberg.
Yes, Olga was there, but Vorres was not. And the story he tells, is very, very different from the one told by the eyewitnesses. And as Olga wrote to Frau Rathlef: Her account was quite correct.
I think the kids learned Russian first.
I have heard those tapes too, and her English was not atrocious at all.
She was a NATIVE German speaker. Got it?
According to affidavit from Erna Bucholz, she spoke Russian like a native. According to Professor Rudnev and Conrad Wahl, she spoke English. Now, where is your extensive proof?
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Not much. On the occasion of Anastasia's birthday appointed her as the chief of 148th Infantry Caspian regiment.
Well, I guess nobody will call the Tsar a spellbinding diarist. But thank you for your posting.
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Oh, so once again she refuses to see someone without a supporter present! Just like when she refused to go without T. Botkin. Sounds fishy! It sounds doubly fishy that if she were really a native Russian speaker and another native Russian speaker asked her a question in Russian, that she would use German instead. Clearly she used it because it was her best language (because she was FS)
Are you calling Olga and Vorres liars? And you said yourself, Olga didn't read German well so she didn't really read the stuff sent by Rathlef.
I'm saying the real AN learned English before German (and barely learned German at all)
Well they're out there for all to see and hear, and they're atrocious. ("dirt I was living!")
Actually she was also a native Polish speaker, but knew German, and this is why as AA she chose to use it most of the time. As Dmitri L. said, (when arriving at Seeon) she did not speak or understand Russian; she did not speak or understand English, except for what she learned from lessons taken in Lugano and in Obersdorf before coming to Seeon; she did not speak or understand French. She spoke only German with a north German accent.
I have much more valid and realistic 'according to's' just a few posts back, did you forget them already? (post #2083)
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Your little stories always make me smile. And, you know I always have my own stories to match yours. Sure, a person can find examples of Germans who have migr. to the USA and who never lost their German accent. And, you've named two. Well, my whole family (paternal and maternal) relatives and friends migr. from Russia. Their first language was German. Some never lost their accent while others have. You'd never be able to tell that both my parents spoke German first. All of my family speak only English, now, and probably couldn't speak German if they tried. Sure they'd know a few words and probably if they were around Germans for a couple of weeks they'd speak it but poorly. Plus, it's a gutteral language and it's exhausting to push out the German words for a long period of time if you're not use to speaking it. My mother can switch back and forth with ease. My Dad has lost his German completely.
Now, this isn't as true with the relatives who live in the mid-west such as the Dakotas. Some towns sound like little Germany. Although, this is starting to change with the younger generation because they are going away to college and after four years are not as inclined to use German. Many are not returning to the small town where they grew-up. Often they marry outsiders, whom they've met while away, who don't speak German.
Remember, AA was submerged in Germany for quite some time.
It's been too long since I've heard AA speak on film. I do recall her saying, "How shall I tell you who I am." I was struck by her English because a German would have twisted the English around to something like, "Who am I? I can not tell you." So, the words would not have given the same dramatic affect.
Did my relatives speak Russian? Yes. When Alex. III demanded everything be Russianized because he had seen German-Russians were starting to dominate the list of officers in the army and as other officials, he passed a decree that ALL schools be taught by Russian teachers and that the Russian language was to be used. Other languages like German could be spoken but there was a time limit given during each day. One acception was in the old Polish areas, the Poles could not speak Polish in school at any time. Some German-Russians went as far as Russianizing their names.
Like Chat, I do know there are testimonies of all kinds about what AA spoke and what she didn't speak. I tend to believe the first people (nurses and docotors) who were around AA at Dalldorf. I see no reason why they should lie. They had nothing to gain. Also, some testified in AA's trial so we have exactly what they said in the German court.
When Felix stated that AA could speak "good German" he was indicating she was also speaking High German which was being taught in schools at that time. The teachers and religious leaders wanted to nationalize one single language so all the Germans could understand each other. They rediculed their student who spoke Low and Middle German in hopes it would shame them into thinking their dialect was inferior and they'd speak High German.
When the Nazi collected AA and FS's silbings togather, it was recorded that AA had a hard time understanding FS's silbing's Low German and that she replied in High German when she did reply.
Speaking of the Nazis. I find it interesting that Hilter became interested in AA and demanded that his men find out if AA really was the GD Anastasia. The Nazis had every advantage of discovering the truth and often times they even forced what wasn't true to be true. AA was never declared a fraud by the Nazis.
Yes, there was one policeman who signed some document stating that he believed AA was FS but we've gone over this before and I'll have to freshen my memory because I've forgotten the details and why I had the opinion that this was not evidence that I'd take to court with me to prove AA was FS.
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Yours too bear!
I was going to go back and add though that those women were fluent in English, not atrocious like AA. Of course no one you or I know had anything to do with AA/FS who clearly learned English as an adult and was never good at it.
If her family had claimed her, she would have been declared a fraud, and likely been sent to a death camp since FS was declared insane. This was another reason they knew they had to deny her. Who would expose their sister knowing it would mean jail and/or death? But what else could they do? FS really put her family through a lot of stress and worry over her claim to be AN.
It was actually making it official for the entire Berlin PD. His name was Heinz Drescher.
Hess. Polizeiamten Darmstadt, 20.5.27
"Erkennungsdienst" [Identification Service]
"Referring to the so-called Anastasia of Russia"
"From the Berlin daily report ["Tagesbericht"] No. 32 of 20.4.27 it is signed and signified officially as established that the identity of the `Unbekannte' has been completely assured as being that of Franziska Schanzkowska by the `Kriminalzentrale' of Darmstadt.
"All of this has been taken up and accepted by the police of Berlin."
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< ed: Warren >
Looking at it rationally and objectively, who was right? First, the fact that AA turned out not to be AN, and was most likely FS fits right in with what everyone I posted said. One of the biggest reasons for the denials by Olga, Bux and Gilliard was her lack of the skills in the languages AN knew well, using only a language AN barely knew. This really does override some random supporter's claim that she knew language x when clearly she did not. Again, the language things go strongly against AA, so you'd be best to just move onto something else, you can't win this one.
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AWF,
Please, assume no such thing. You have no idea who I am, who I've known or know. So, let's just say: I've known Germans who migr. to the USA as adults and their English is better than mine.
As for Drescher Heinz of the Berlin Police Dept. who claimed he signed papers that proved AA was FS, I have the following thoughts:
1) He may have been telling the truth but what was that proof?
2) So, if there was such documents, why didn't the Romanov lawyers, who opposed AA's claim, present them in AA's trial? They didn't, soooooooo,
3) what happen to the documents which give us this proof?
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I assume nothing about you, or your friends, only AA because she was FS and learned English as an adult. We even now have a witness to her lessons, Dmitri Leuchtenberg! Others likely knew of them but didn't tell.
He didn't claim, this was official. It actually came from Kurth. I don't know why it wasn't used as proof during the trial. I don't know where it is now, ask Kurth.
All you have to do, is to read Kurth, and you will find out that Fritz Shuhricht went down to the Berlin police to investigate, and it turned out that they did not know more than he did. The Darmstadt police stated that THEY did not make the identification. It actually came from Martin Knopf, and nobody else wanted to take responsibility. And as we know, AA was never given a passport under the name of Franzisca Schanzkowska. The Berlin police were willing to arrest Doris Wingender for making false claims as soon as Gleb Botkin would file a complaint. So much for the identification.
A witness to her lessons. Oh my God, we have made a whole new discovery here. Call the press!
If you have read Kurth, maybe you remember Faith Lavington who was asked by AA to study English with her. In her diary Miss Lavington wrote: It is clear to see that she knows English very well, the trouble is to get her to speak. When she did, I was amazed of the purity of her accent.
But we already know that AA spoke English long before Seeon.
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She could speak Chinese or Turkish, in fact any language with any accent you care to think of, but her dna shows she isn´t who she claimed she was so what is the use of going on with this farcical argument?
< ed Warren: removed smarty-pants remark to another member >
No matter who AA was, the story is fascinating. And personally, I do not think at all that she was FS. Of course, that is only my opinion, but some people seem to get very upset at those whose opinion differs from their own. But then again, if nobody wanted to protect the young and the helpless from people like me, there would be no discussion about this subject, would it! So sit up straight and take notes. Who knows, you might learn something.
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Although Peter Kurth believes that AA was GD Anastasia, he does not hide such information and indeed it was from one of his original post on another forum where you gained your information.
I believe he provided additional information as to the association of the House of Hess and why the head of the House, Alexandra's brother, Ernst Ludwig, was the one who had hired a detective, Martin Knopf, to prove AA was not GD Anastasia. Some or all of this information Drescher had may have been from Knopf.
I don't believe Knopf testitied in AA's trial. Wonder why? Was he still living? Does anyone know anything about Knopf accept that he was a detective?
Does anyone know anything about Detective Heinz Drescher?
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