Anna Anderson's claim to be Grand Duchess Anastasia

[Menarue]

No, thank God.

[BorisRom]

Originally Posted by Menarue

No, thank God.

Thank you.

[Anna was Franziska]

Originally Posted by BorisRom

Menarue,
Has your grandmother had congenital HV? Has your grandmother had heavier form of HV on right foot?
And... has your grandmother had all other things (qualities) what Anna Anderson had?

My Grandmother was born in June 1901. She was 5'2." She had foot problems that required wearing special shoes. Could she be Anastasia?

[BorisRom]

Originally Posted by Anna was Franziska

My Grandmother was born in June 1901. She was 5'2." She had foot problems that required wearing special shoes. Could she be Anastasia?

Has your grandmother had congenital HV? Has your grandmother had heavier form of HV on right foot?
And... has your grandmother had all other things (qualities) what Anna Anderson had?

[Anna was Franziska]

Originally Posted by BorisRom

Has your grandmother had congenital HV? Has your grandmother had heavier form of HV on right foot?
And... has your grandmother had all other things (qualities) what Anna Anderson had?

One foot was worse, but I don't remember which. She used to say it was caused by her hips being twisted when her brother cut down a tree with her in it when she was a kid, but I know she was just hiding the secret Ekaterinburg story. See, the REAL Anastasia would not make a public spectacle of herself, she'd want to remain safely anonymous.

I don't think AA had all that much in common with AN. Their faces are very different. If height and feet count, then you must consider my grandmother as well. She is exactly the right age, AA/FS was five years too old.

One thing AA didn't share with AN for sure is DNA!

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Yes, AA was FS a Polish peasant that was in hospitals, institutes and was declared mentally ill. Later in life,she ended up killing herself, owning too many animals, and she was also attacking people with sticks. This wouldn't seem like the real Anastasia. The real Anastasia was much more playful, carefree, and happy. She wasn't ever consider ill, she wouldn't ever end up in that condition. She couldn't even prove to anybody she spoke Russian and French. Of course, others still refuse to except DNA because they want it to still be a mystery.

[AGRBear]

Originally Posted by AnastasiaEvidence

Yes, AA was FS a Polish peasant that was in hospitals, institutes and was declared mentally ill. Later in life,she ended up killing herself, owning too many animals, and she was also attacking people with sticks. This wouldn't seem like the real Anastasia. The real Anastasia was much more playful, carefree, and happy. She wasn't ever consider ill, she wouldn't ever end up in that condition. She couldn't even prove to anybody she spoke Russian and French. Of course, others still refuse to except DNA because they want it to still be a mystery.

You really don't believe people who are/were "playful, carefree, and happy" will never become mentally ill?

AGRBear

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Originally Posted by AGRBear

You really don't believe people who are/were "playful, carefree, and happy" will never become mentally ill?

AGRBear

Yes, it's possible if the person had a so many issues in their childhood. The issues affected them so much. Some people from the world war were affected mentally. But, Anastasia was not mentally ill from anything. At the time of captivity and the world war, she was still the same type of fun person that kept the family in high spirits. She always looked on the bright side, dispite everything. I just don't think Anastasia could end up killing herself, even if her life was so unbearable.

[Anna was Franziska]

I agree, Anastasia Evidence. AA acted very mentally unstable, and while AA supporters use "Ekaterinburg" for an excuse it's pretty obvious where her problems really came from- FS was declared legally insane "not cured but not dangerous" in 1916, and Anastasia never had any such record. So it makes perfect sense that AA=FS, and the DNA backs this up.

Bear, what do you mean by your post, you say you don't believe AA to be AN, yet you once again make a post that seems to support or attempt to justify that possibility.

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Bear, what do you mean by your post, you say you don't believe AA to be AN, yet you once again make a post that seems to support or attempt to justify that possibility.

Bear claims she doesn't believe AA is Anstasia. By her posts it seems like she supports AA. It's very confusing. She still believes that FS wasn't AA.

[ChatNoir]

FS was declared legally insane "not cured but not dangerous" in 1916, and Anastasia never had any such record.

And neither did AA.

[AnastasiaEvidence]

And neither did AA.

Of course she was declared mentally ill. She tried to commit sucide, hitting sticks with people, and she was running on the roof necked. She was in a mental insitute before she claimed to be 'Anastasia'. She had so many problems in her life and with her family. She couldn't stand her life and then she tried to kill herself. She was a pretender.

[Anna was Franziska]

Originally Posted by AnastasiaEvidence

Of course she was declared mentally ill. She tried to commit sucide, hitting sticks with people, and she was running on the roof necked. She always was in a mental institute before she claimed to be 'Anastasia'.

She was in several mental hospitals as all her life. That doesn't happen to sane people. (with or without official diagnosis, she was in there, put in several times, she was crazy, and FS was insane, so there you go!)

[Anna was Franziska]

Originally Posted by AnastasiaEvidence

Bear claims she doesn't believe AA is Anstasia. By her posts it seems like she supports AA. It's very confusing.

Yes, I have been confused about this for years myself. She always says she doesn't believe in AA yet all her posts favor that possibility or position and always back up Chat and other pro AA supporters, and are always against those of us who say she wasn't AN but FS. So IMO actions speak louder than words.

[ChatNoir]

Originally Posted by Anna was Franziska

She was in several mental hospitals as all her life. That doesn't happen to sane people. (with or without official diagnosis, she was in there, put in several times, she was crazy, and FS was insane, so there you go!)

So she was crazy? With or without official diagnosis?
Please find me just ONE doctor who adjudged her insane. Just ONE!
Thank you.

[Anna was Franziska]

Why was she in all those asylums? That doesn't happen to sane people.

As FS, she was 'in and out of sanatoria'. As AA, she was taken to one when she tried to kill herself (which is a sign of mental illness) She was put in other mental institutions over the years, like the time she went on the naked on the roof beating people with sticks rampage in NYC. While you claim the Jennings family 'paid off' somebody to commit her, it's very clear her behavior alone was what caused her to be put where she was sent and rightfully so. Even in the last months of her life, she was taken to Blue Ridge Hospital sick and put in the psychiatric ward. Fearing she'd be put in a mental instititution, her husband abducted her, leading to a police search. She didn't live very long after being found where they'd been hiding in an abandoned, tumbledown house. Don't forget the way they lived, and cremating the pets in the fireplace.This article tells quite a tale of her strangeness, and that was only once she came to Charlottesville!

The Hook - COVER- Jack & Anna: Remembering the czar of Charlottesville eccentrics

ALL the evidence points to AA being mentally ill, and FS was declared insane, so it's just another thing along with the DNA and photos to show she was FS.

[ChatNoir]

From "Anastasia, the Riddle of Anna Anderson":
The doctors sent her to the Dalldorf Asylum at the end of March because they had no idea what else to do with her. The diagnosis was "melancholia".

Anastasia had not yet been examined by a psychiatrist, nor would she be until she was carted off to the sanatorium at Katonah. The doctors Wilton Lloyd-Smith had engaged to sign the commitment papers were ready, all the same, to attest to her "untidiness," her "extreme suspicion," and her "delusions of persecution." It cost the Jenningses over one thousand dollars. "Dr. K...called me up," Lloyd-Smith wrote Walter Jennings afterward, "and asked me if I considered $500 for himself, $500 for Dr. Z... and $250 for Dr. W... as an excessive charge for their services... I told him that I considered this perfectly reasonable. In view of the importance to you and to Miss Jennings in having their names on the commitment papers, and in view of the notoriety of the case when it is discovered, the charges are extremely modest."

Meanwhile Anastasia remains at the Sanatorium. She isn't deranged, they say up there, just - well - just in need of attention for her disordered nerves.

At Ilten, meantime, the doctors had been taking notes. "The lack of any symptoms of insanity," wrote Dr. Hans Willige, "was proved so conclusively during the very first examination that we were alreay able to tell Frau Tschaikovsky on the second day that she was not insane and not in need of treatment in an institution...

From "Anastasia, the lost Princess": Finally, in late November, acting in his capacity as legal guardian, Preston had Anastasia committed to Blue Ridge Hospital, where she was placed in the psychiatric ward for observation and examination.
Having found no evidence of mental illness, the doctors had decided to transfer her to the nearby University of Virginia Medical Center by ambulance.

Now, where is that evidence again pointing to her being mentally ill?

[Anna was Franziska]

Originally Posted by ChatNoir

Now, where is that evidence again pointing to her being mentally ill?

Her whole life, her behavior, her history of being sent to asylums (again this happening repeatedly just doesn't happen to sane people!) and most of all PRETENDING TO BE A DEAD PRINCESS and possibly even coming to believe her charade.

[ChatNoir]

Originally Posted by Anna was Franziska

Her whole life, her behavior, her history of being sent to asylums (again this happening repeatedly just doesn't happen to sane people!) and most of all PRETENDING TO BE A DEAD PRINCESS and possibly even coming to believe her charade.

And as we already know, she was NEVER declared insane by any doctor. From an earlier reply of mine, you will also clearly see that she was not the only one to believe that she was Anastasia. Does that mean that we had a whole bunch of insane people out there?

[AnastasiaEvidence]

And as we already know, she was NEVER declared insane by any doctor. From an earlier reply of mine, you will also clearly see that she was not the only one to believe that she was Anastasia. Does that mean that we had a whole bunch of insane people out there?

She was already mentally ill, poor,she had no friends, and she didn't have a good life. That's why she went on pretending to be Anastasia. She wanted something to live for. But, others knew she was already mentally ill from her mental behavoir and the fact she was in many asylums.