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05-13-2014, 04:49 AM
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Its better when he marries a russian woman, rich woman
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05-13-2014, 11:40 AM
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... [snipped]Both Victoria and her mom have her grandfather prominently on their Facebook pages and he has the last name Khanum/Khan so I think that is the royal link. But I do not think the Khans are not a family who pass along in the female line. ... [snipped]
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It would be impossible to clearly establish the bloodline. There is no Kyrgyz Almanach de Gotha. Mrs Kainazarova does not provide the name of the clan she descended from or mention her spouse's clan. People often claim to have descended from a higher branch of their clan than is actually the case.
You were right noting that the Khan title did not pass along in the female line. This was and is fairly typical of Asian culture. In order to claim an aristocratic or noble status, Ms Victoria Kainazarova's father must be from an Ak Suek/white bone/ (or a Kyrgyz version of Ak Suek)family. No matter how aristocratic or noble it is, a maternal side of a family is of secondary importance and just emphasises the fact that a lady's union is equal.
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05-30-2014, 09:54 PM
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Its better when he marries a russian woman, rich woman
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I wonder if he will attract wealth; any wealthy woman might end up with his mother's regal expectations on her hands and that is expensive enough.
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05-30-2014, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Al_bina
It is rather unclear who Ms Kainazarova really is. She is said to be converted to Orthodoxy. That is all.
I personally doubt she comes from an aristocratic family that provided the sultans and khans who ruled the nomads of the steppe.
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Is there anything other than her mothers Facebook to confirm the marriage? If they are in fact married, I would assume that everyone would have known by now, or there would have been an official announcement. It's a big step if she has indeed converted to orthodoxy!
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05-31-2014, 12:44 AM
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My understanding is that the Kainazarovas are not in-laws of the Romanovs, but merely close family friends.
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05-31-2014, 12:26 PM
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Is there anything other than her mothers Facebook to confirm the marriage? If they are in fact married, I would assume that everyone would have known by now, or there would have been an official announcement. It's a big step if she has indeed converted to orthodoxy!
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Mrs Kainazarova's mother never said that her daughter married Grand Duke Georgi. The photographer named Armenchik did (see post #674 in this thread). Based on tidbits of information and photos, it seems to me that Mrs Kainazaorva only tries to validate her own noble status by hobnobbing with Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna and her son. It is still unclear what prompted Ms Kainazarova to convert to the Orthodoxy.
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05-31-2014, 01:44 PM
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The Facebook pages just back up the dates of the pictures of Armenchik showing Georgi and Victoria together, but not his claim they are engaged or even a couple. The pictures show the families to be friends. Al_bina may be right that the Kainazarovas or someone else mights just be trying to imply something that is not true or overstating things. Somebody wants this match and has started a rumour but it may not be Grand Duchess Maria.
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06-09-2014, 09:17 AM
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Grand Duke Georgi has attended with Rebecca Bettarini the wedding of count Axel Sambucy and Charlote Reynaud so perhaps it could be seen as her introduction as future Grand Duchess...
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06-09-2014, 06:55 PM
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Love the color of her dress. They are cute together. He looks happy!
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06-10-2014, 05:24 PM
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They spoke so much about equal marriages...
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06-10-2014, 07:22 PM
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They spoke so much about equal marriages...
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Yes, but there isn't necessarily an opportunity for an equal marriage for him.
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06-14-2014, 02:41 PM
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They spoke so much about equal marriages...
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Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna emphasised a necessity to marry equal because it would strengthen Grand Duke Georgi's claims/position within the warring Romanovs' factions. Perhaps appropriate ladies were not interested in such marriage of convenience.
The wedding of Baron Axel de Sambucy and Charlotte Paul-Reynaud | Blogs•Spletnik.ru
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07-28-2014, 12:22 PM
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One can be very good friends and soulmates without necessarily thinking about marriage. In any way, if Grand Duke Georgiy of Russia (for the supporters) or Prince Georg of Prussia (for the non-supporters) marries Donna Rebecca, he is not obeying to the rules of both his Russian and German Houses. So we have to see how this turns out. Would Georgiy/Georg marry Rebecca, all claims of Grand Duchess Maria's line become very wobbly. Note that in less of a year time the good chap has been linked to a Gabriella, to a Victoria and now to a Rebecca. Apart from the interesting note that all names end on 'a', there is no any conclusion to make...
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07-30-2014, 05:48 AM
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Note that in less of a year time the good chap has been linked to a Gabriella, to a Victoria and now to a Rebecca. Apart from the interesting note that all names end on 'a', there is no any conclusion to make...
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Duc et Pair: I didn't understand what you mean about ALL NAMES END ON A "A" and there is no any conclusion to make?
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07-31-2014, 08:17 PM
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As for a wife, it would be entertaining to see Maria try to justify Georgi's claim to Headship of the Romanovs and also retain standing in his own House (German).
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08-05-2014, 05:24 AM
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Ok I see what you mean...anyway the situation does not seem clear given the fact that George has been pictured often in official occasions with miss Victoria Kainazarova. looks to me that Rebecca is just a friend and Victoria is a potential bride. For what is my understanding Victoria lives in Russia so it makes sense she is not always with George.
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08-05-2014, 05:45 AM
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Duc et Pair: I didn't understand what you mean about ALL NAMES END ON A "A" and there is no any conclusion to make?
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The Grand Duke has "dated" several ladies in the past year. The only conclusion we can make is that all their names ended on an "A' (he dated a Gabriell a, a Victori a and now a Rebecc a) and that is it. All other conclusions ("he is going to marry Rebecca") can not be made.
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08-05-2014, 12:15 PM
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Ok I see what you mean...anyway the situation does not seem clear given the fact that George has been pictured often in official occasions with miss Victoria Kainazarova. looks to me that Rebecca is just a friend and Victoria is a potential bride. For what is my understanding Victoria lives in Russia so it makes sense she is not always with George.
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Grand Duke Georgi will not marry Ms Kainazarova.
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08-05-2014, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by la vie en rose
Ok I see what you mean...anyway the situation does not seem clear given the fact that George has been pictured often in official occasions with miss Victoria Kainazarova. looks to me that Rebecca is just a friend and Victoria is a potential bride. For what is my understanding Victoria lives in Russia so it makes sense she is not always with George.
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Rebecca just a friend? Travelling with Georgi to various countries in order to accompany him to various events, encluding weddings? I'll eat my hat if they are just friends.
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08-05-2014, 12:49 PM
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It is all speculation. Also Victoria and Gabriella were seen at various events.
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