A potential bride for The Grand Duke Georgi

[BeatrixFan]

Which is true. Though I think for HIH, she cares more about what the Church thinks as in the unlikely event of a restoration it'd be the church who would anoint her as Empress. So if Georgi did want want to marry a commoner, I assume the scenario would be that she would approach the Patriarch and ask him to sanction the change in the house laws rather than the government. Which would probably work out in her favour because even Nicholas and Dmitri can't argue with the Patriarch. They'd try of course.

[Nice Nofret]

Good point

[amedea]

Originally Posted by Artemisia

I think you are right about her mother, but she doesn't have a noble ancestry on her father's side (at least, not in the last 2-3 generations).
In order to be a member of ADSI, you have to proven royal/noble/aristocratic ancestry, but not necessarily be one yourself.

Do somebody have more details about her mother? What's her name? Why is she thought to be of noble descent?

Any details also about the historic mansion that the Bettarini may have in order to be members of ADSI? Isn't it possible that Rebecca was working for ADSI instead of being a member of it?

Here she's said to work in the Institutional Relations office of Finmeccanica (defence industry) in Bruxelles. European Youth Congress 2012 - Regnum Christi

[la vie en rose]

I found some news and articles about Ambassador Bettarini.

here is an interview http://smooz.4your.net/diplomatic-wo...ettarini_1.pdf
apparently that beautiful palace where the pictures have been taken is the italian embassy!

here comes some articles involving the European Commissioner for DG Enterprise 27/09 - Tajani e l'Ambasciatore Roberto Bettarini presentano TECHITALY2012

a youtube video where he is interviewed

Inauguration du nouveau Consulat Général d'Italie en Belgique à Charleroi - YouTube

the visit of state with SAR Grand Duke Henry of Luxembourg Galerie d'images de la visite d'État

another interview on diplomatic world DIPLOMATIC WORLD | Wix.com

a picture with his wife Carla Olivier Frank (Orchestre Philharmonique du Luxembourg), Roberto Bettarini (Ambasadeur d'Italie), son épouse, Jean Hoss (Avocat)

some commemoration in Brussels EC Audiovisual Service - Photo

[COUNTESS]

Who knows who Georgi will marry and since he is a "regular" person, with none of this "royal" nonsense, he can marry anyone. Might not be a woman. Plus, all of this other stuff is imagined. There is no nation he will head, he has a job. No one cares.

[TomBert]

No one cares? Well I do.

[COUNTESS]

Why do you care?

[TomBert]

I care because he is heir to the headship of the Imperial House of Russia. I admire Grand Duchess Maria for her dedication to the traditions of the Imperial House. I love her larger than life eccentricities and colourful character. She engages my imagination and I think she would be great fun to meet. I still smile when I think of her arriving at he wedding of Prince Albert and Princess Charlene (where she was listed in the official list of high dignitaries by her imperial style and title). Maria Vladimirovna made her stately way up the aisle, like a galleon in full sail. Behind her, obviously impatient to get to her seat and looking for an opportunity to overtake the Grand Duchess, was Miss Naomi Campbell. But Her Imperial Highness, serenely oblivious to the Super Model hot on her heals, maintained her dignified pace and Miss Campbell had to slow down.

As to Georgii Mikhailovich, there is not much evidence to illuminate what he thinks of his imperial heritage and future role. I guess we will have to wait and see. If, when the time comes, Georgii Mikhailovich assumes his heritage in the traditional manner of his mother, and his late grandfather, all I can say is good luck to him. I know a lot of people here like to make fun of Grand Duchess Maria, and cast Georgii Mikhailovich as the oppressed son of domineering mother (without any evidence one way or the other). Some, it would seem, even take a perverse delight in the idea of a son disappointing his mother. But maybe Georgii Mikhailovich fully supports his mother and shares her vision for the future of the Imperial House as a non-reigning institution involved with charitable, cultural, historical and religious activities. That is a much more realistic proposition than restoration of the monarchy, as the Grand Duchess has affirmed time and again. I hope Georgii Mikhailovich does see himself as the future Head of the Imperial House of Russia. I would like the Imperial House of Russia's future secured for another generation. That is why I care about who he marries. An equal match would obviously be ideal, and I would love to see it happen. But I am also interested in how things might unfold if the marriage is unequal (which is obviously more of a possibility than an equal match). Perhaps the Grand Duchess will have an attack of the vapours if her son brings home someone "unsuitable". But, somehow, Maria Vladimirovna does not strike me as the fainting type. I image she will get out the Fundamental Laws of the Imperial House, contact the Patriarch, and look for a way of according the marriage dynastic status. All with the same determination and certainty she has displayed since succeeding her father two decades ago. But until the Grand Duke requests permission to marry, the whole issue is entirely hypothetical.

That is the point of many of the threads in the non-reigning section of The Royal Forums: to give those of us who are interested a place to enjoy musing on topics, many of them hypothetical, that effect former reigning families, with their various degrees of legal, constitutional, national and international recognition, or lack thereof. But it seems almost impossible to do so when it comes to Maria Vladimirovna and Georgii Mikhailovich. But I have learnt time and again that there is no point trying to engage in a rational discussion when it comes to the Grand Duchess and her son on The Royal Forums. The evidence that supports the premis that Maria Vladimirovna is the recognised head of a non-reigning imperial family has been posted time and again by many people. Just as often it is totally ignored, or "refuted" with nothing more than further generalisations lacking any evidence whatsoever. It is this conflict that generally derails any chance of an interesting and meaningful discussion.

But I am intrigued why people who think Maria Vladimirovna and Georgii Mikhailovich are nothing, of no interest to anybody, or totally ridiculous, bother to post messages on threads about them, and in such large numbers. This thread has over 400 posts, a huge number of them by the same people repeatedly making the same claim that nobody cares and nobody is interested. The same people repeatedly presenting personal opinion as fact and never backing up generalisations with a shred of evidence, even when asked to do so by other posters. The same people regularly making rude, crass and unnecessary personal comments about the appearance of the Grand Duchess and her son. I don't understand why. Is it some sort of desire to cause trouble, to stir things up, to express irrational anger, or just to show how wonderfully witty they are? Who knows? I still sometimes get annoyed when a particularly nasty personal comment is made about a Grand Duchess I admire, but my general reaction now is bemusement.

There are many threads on The Royal Forums on subjects that do not interest me, and people I do not particularly like. So I do not read them. I have absolutely no interest at all in the children of the late Mr Pierre Casiraghi. But as the numerous threads on the Casiraghi trio show, many people are fascinated by their lives and loves. It would never occur to me to pop over to one of the Casiraghi threads and start leaving, for no particular reason, pointless messages, or provocative comments, that add nothing to the conversation. If I did I would at least preface my comments with something like "..in my opinion..." rather than presenting my subjective opinion as a pronouncement of objective truth.

[COUNTESS]

First of all, the Cashiragis are NOT royal, by any stretch of the imagination, but are lovely to look at and so garner interest. The two of great interest to you have value as all people do, but have no "royal access" except for their past, either. The Patriarch can approve whatever he wants, but it will never make Georgi or Maria real players in Russia. That time is over. So who the woman is and he seems to be a wonderful young man marries, is his decision. Not some partiarch or mother who have dreams of an ancient past.

[TomBert]

First of all, I agree, the Casiraghis are NOT royal, by any stretch of the imagination (not sure about the Cashiragis, I don't know who they are). But I never said they where. My point was that as the only contribution I could make to a thread on the trio would probably be something negative about spoilt rich kids, or frustration at the media treating them as if they are royal, when they are not even princely. So I do not go there. Why be a killjoy? Why spoil the fun of the people who like to discuss the goings on of some beautiful young people? I don't know what you mean by "royal access", so I can't comment on that; ditto "real players".

Who knows what the future holds for mother and son? Not a throne, though history shows that we should never say never. But representing their heritage is already a reality in many ways. Just look at the Grand Duchess making a visit to Australia as an official guest of the federal and state governments. She visited to commemorate the bicentenary of the arrival of the first Russian ship in Australia, and to honour the Russian Australians who returned home in 1914 to join the Imperial Army. That's not dreaming of the past, it is bringing the past to life. It is the sort of role we see developing in Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and Montenegro.

I don't imagine the Grand Duchess sitting around her flat in Madrid waiting for a phone call from Moscow saying the crown is hers if she wants it. Filling in her empty hours playing patience, or browsing through obscure little royal forums to see what people are saying about her. She seems too busy getting on with her life in the way she wants to live it. In fact, it seems to me she is thoroughly enjoying herself. So who are we to pass judgement on her for her choices? That made me think how weird it is to get bogged down in these forums in discussions that never go anywhere.

I imagine Maria Vladimirovna having a hearty laugh (a deep throaty laugh I like to think) if she read some of the things written about her here. I think accusations of living in a dream world would probably strike her as particularly amusing, as she packs her bags for another trip to Russia, a trip jam packed with engagements. Who is in the dream world? Her Imperial Highness, the Pius and August Lady, Maria Vladimirovna, Grand Duchess of Russia, Head of the Imperial House of Russia, having a blast getting out and about, visiting people and places all over the world? No, I don't think so. If anyone is living in a dream world it is the people who spend all their time in anonymous internet forums, passing judgement on people they do not even know, and instigating squabbles just for the sake of it. While I was out walking my dog Bert this evening I realised I am in danger of getting sucked into that world. I don't think I want that to happen, so I'm signing off now and won't be back. It is time to get a life.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by COUNTESS

No one cares.

No one cares? Really?
You have made no less than 35 posts in this thread so it appears that you care a great deal, certainly more than most other members.

[COUNTESS]

Ah, when I say no one cares, I mean that in the world at large, it is a non starter. That I have chosen to wile away some time commenting on this issue, show that I was either avoiding something productive or just enjoying the debate.

[Alexey 1904]

Sorry to read you won't be back on this Forum, TomBert. Before you go, I just wanted to clear up something. Mr.Casaraghi's name was Stefano,not Pierre. Pierre is the name of his second son and youngest child he had, along with Andrea and Charlotte, with Caroline of Monaco. I hope you have a nice life!

[patricks]

Good evening anyone,

I was just surfing on the internet searching for some informations and I bumped into this discussion forum. I usually don't like to spend time on blogs but in this case I've decided to drop two lines because I've met the couple you are talking about and I diond't know they were rising so much of attention! I would never talk about situations and people that I don't know and that are usually private.

I actually spent 2 hours seated right next to Rebecca and HIH Georges. I cannot say that I know them but I've had a very positive impression about the two of them.

reading your posts it looks like he's a mamma's boy and has nothing else that a title, instead he has a degree at Oxford, a very good job in a big russian company and seems very smart, kind and cultivate we spoke about his job and I got impressed because he's very young and already a brilliant carreer!

I talked to Rebecca much more than to him and honestly not only she is very beautiful (much more in reality that in picture), but also a very interesting person. she is fluent in 6 languages, lived around in many countries around the world and is highly refined and educated. moreover if I don't remember wrong she has two degrees and a master and on the top of that a very good job.

she looks very open and used to public relations. some royals were there as well and she had long conversations with them dind't looking like she was out of her habitat. now I have not a clue about her family background, but looked to me that she was perfectly fitted in there.

Please note that these are my personal impressions and that I've decided to disclose them here only because some of the judgements expressed above on the people you are mentioning looks to me quite superficial.

Thanks for your attention
P.

[Storylover]

Judging from the name she is not Russian, which is unfortunate.

[BrazilianEmpire]

If King Michael of Romania grant the title of Princess to his granddaughter, Karina (Prince Nicholas's sister), she'll become very suitable to Grand Duke George.

[USCtrojan]

Originally Posted by BrazilianEmpire

If King Michael of Romania grant the title of Princess to his granddaughter, Karina (Prince Nicholas's sister), she'll become very suitable to Grand Duke George.

Can George marry a commoner? If so, then the title for Karina should not matter. I don't see them giving her a title anytime soon. Perhaps Margarita will do so in the future.

[BrazilianEmpire]

Originally Posted by USCtrojan

Can George marry a commoner? If so, then the title for Karina should not matter. I don't see them giving her a title anytime soon. Perhaps Margarita will do so in the future.

If Karina become a Princess and a member of the House Romania, she'll not be a commoner anymore. A marriage between her and Grand Duke George would be regarded as a Dynastic one.

[AristoCat]

Originally Posted by COUNTESS

He would be lucky if a Casihiragi would consider him. He is a nothing, to say, politically, he is a wonderful young man, some say gay, I do not know or care. I just hope he is happy.

Actually, his title is higher than the Casiraghi (who have no titles) and his "HIH" and "HRH" outrank the "HSH" and "HRH" that Caroline holds. An "Imperial Highness" even outranks a "Her/His Royal Highness." So really, Charlotte would be the one benefiting more than him really.

Caroline would go into ecstasies if Charlotte had a chance with Georgi.

[Ish]

His title may be higher, but she's in line to an actual, existing throne while he's not. There's a bit of an argument here as to who outranks who here. I doubt Caroline would care if her daughter didn't marry Georgi.