2009 Identification of the remains found in July 2007

[BorisRom]

Probe of case into recovered remains of Nicholas II, his family members - extended


Moscow, October 10, Interfax - The Investigative Committee of the Russian Prosecutor General's Office has prolonged the investigation of a criminal case into the found remains of Emperor Nicholas II and his family members in the Sverdlovsk region.

"A shirt with spots of Nicholas II blood was sent to genetic experts for examination. The issue of resolving the criminal case will be discussed after examination results are obtained," Investigative Committee's Spokesman Vladimir Marking told Interfax .

Examination results will be available by late October.
Interfax-Religion

[J Kendrick]

Originally Posted by BorisRom

"The issue of resolving the criminal case will be discussed after examination results are obtained,"

.... and...

Examination results will be available by late October.

This does not mean that it will be over in late October. It only means there will be even more discussion by the investigative committee *after* the results on the "Otsu" shirt have been received in late October.

This still does not tell us when we can expect to see the final report. It tells us nothing at all about their return to Koptyaki to do even more digging and what new reasons they have now found to suspect a possible third burial pit. It tells us nothing at all about the tests being done to find the genetic evidence of that suspected faulty Factor VIII gene.

It only tells us they will soon be doing more talking amongst themselves after they have received the results on the shirt from the Hermitage.

"The issue of resolving the criminal case will be discussed... "

What possible issues can the members of the investigative committee now see that still need to be resolved? ... and... Why are they now referring to it as a criminal case.... instead of it just being the simple case of DNA identification that the general public at large now assumes it to be?

Obviously, it's still going to be a good long time yet -- well past the end of October -- before we actually do find out once and for all what has really been going on during these past 12 months or more.

JK

[J Kendrick]

Hallow e'en. The last day of October. The day before All Saints Day. Fifteen long months since the discovery of that alleged second burial pit ... and *still* there is no sign at all of that much-anticipated final DNA report.

Just three weeks ago, we had all been told that the examination results from the blood-stained "Otsu" shirt from the Hermitage would be available "...by late October". Here we now are at the end of October... and still no final report.

Still no word at all on the results of those genetic tests that we know they were doing to search for the evidence of that suspected faulty Factor VIII gene. Still no explanation from investigators as to why they have now come to suspect the existence of a third burial pit (for which there is no previously known evidence whatsoever).

How much longer will we all be expected to wait before the full details of those same much-anticipated completed reports and the answers that they hold are finally made public?

JK

[Warren]

Unless the question is purely rhetorical, I guess the answer is that we'll "be expected" to wait until the day the results are released to the public.
Impatience is understandable, but won't achieve anything. After 90 years, a few months or more of waiting is no great hardship in the scheme of things.

[Russophile]

Warren, John's point is that they --the scientists-- say "We have them! For sure!" then it's "We need to do more tests". Then "We'll, we're still inconclusive."
It smells awfully fishy to me!

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Russophile

It smells awfully fishy to me!

Now you're hinting at or inferring a conspiracy before even knowing the outcome. Rather than jumping to conclusions, why not wait and see.

[Michael HR]

This argument just goes on and on. I agree with Warren and will wait and see

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by Warren

Now you're hinting at or inferring a conspiracy before even knowing the outcome. Rather than jumping to conclusions, why not wait and see.

I wanna know now!

I'm in a very Veruca Salt mood. . .

[J Kendrick]

We at least need to know what new evidence they have found that has now given them reason to suspect the existence of -- and now to be searching for -- a third burial pit.. for which there is no previously known evidence whatsoever.

That one point alone requires a full and proper explanation now. Not at some unknown time in the distant future.

JK

[lexi4]

I agree John, but you know that won't happen. Answers have never been forthcoming in this affair. IMO, part of the problem is there is no public pressure involved. I don't expect answers out of Russia on this.

[Warren]

This thread was meant to be about "new information". Rather than continuing down the path of speculative theories, rhetorical questions and definitive statements based on nothing but supposition, any posts which don't relate to "new information" will henceforth be removed.

Warren
Russian Forums moderator

[AGRBear]

S.E.A.R.C.H. has announced 26 Nov. 2008:

>>Official DNA results will be announced on December 5, 2008 from Ekaterinburg.

Dr. Michael Coble, Chief Scientist of the U.S. Army DNA Laboratory will present results of the DNA tests done on the Romanov family remains by his laboratory. << Press Release

AGRBear

[Anna was Franziska]

So here's our 'big' announcement I've been anticipating all week. This really gives little new information and does nothing to dispell claimant rumors, except maybe for Heino Tammet. It doesn't appear anything special was done with the girls, they only prove that Nicholas is authentic, Alexei is his son and they are both related to Grand Duke Andre. What a disappointment.

ITAR-TASS

[BorisRom]

Addition in Russian Interfax:
"N.Nevolin has told also, that comparison of DNA of the investigated
skeleton and DNA of a spot of blood on Nikolay's II shirt which was
stored in the Hermitage, is already ended, but the results will be
informed later".
http://www.interfax-religion.ru/?act=news&div=27630

[BorisRom]

ITAR-TASS :
YEKATERINBURG, December 5 (Itar-Tass) --Experts of the US DNA Identification Laboratory have announced that the remains removed from a first burial site found near Yekaterinburg belong to the family of the Russian last tsar, Nicholas II. They are identical 100 percent, said a senior expert of the identification department of the US DNA Laboratory.


A scientific conference, at which experts from Russia and the United State will make an official identification of the remains of the last Russian emperor, opened in Yekaterinburg. This is a final identification procedure that will be conducted on the initiative of the Prosecutor's General Office Investigating Committee (SKP).
The remains of the Russian royal family were first found in 1979, but were buried again on orders from the local administration. Work on the identification was resumed in 1991. Numerous experts declared with a big degree of certainty that the remains belonged to the family of the last Russian emperor.

[Anna was Franziska]

Boris, you left out the last part:

In summer, 2007 different remains found there were identified as Nicholas’ son and daughter - Prince Alexei and Princess Maria. Genetic tests held at laboratories in Austria, Russia and the United States confirmed that the remains found in 1991 and 2007 belong to the family of the last Russian emperor.

I am still disappointed more information wasn't released on the girls. What about the scientific peer reviews, have they been done?

[J Kendrick]

Originally Posted by BorisRom

ITAR-TASS :
YEKATERINBURG, December 5 (Itar-Tass) --Experts of the US DNA Identification Laboratory have announced that the remains removed from a first burial site found near Yekaterinburg belong to the family of the Russian last tsar, Nicholas II. They are identical 100 percent, said a senior expert of the identification department of the US DNA Laboratory.


A scientific conference, at which experts from Russia and the United State will make an official identification of the remains of the last Russian emperor, opened in Yekaterinburg. This is a final identification procedure that will be conducted on the initiative of the Prosecutor's General Office Investigating Committee (SKP).
The remains of the Russian royal family were first found in 1979, but were buried again on orders from the local administration. Work on the identification was resumed in 1991. Numerous experts declared with a big degree of certainty that the remains belonged to the family of the last Russian emperor.

This latest news changes nothing. All they have now said is that they are now 100 percent certain about the identification of the Ekaterinburg remains... instead of just 99.9 percent. That still leaves all of the most important questions about the 2007 discovery of bone fragments completely unanswered.

The real news story here is that the researchers are now holding a scientific conference to meet and discuss the results. This, then, raises another very serious question. If they are, as they claim, now 100 percent certain of the identification... then what is there now possibly left for them to discuss in a closed-door scientific conference?

This is the same scientific conference that Nikolai Nevolin had predicted back in the spring of this past year would probably happen in July. He had also predicted at the time that there may well be calls for more even testing that would come out of that conference.. but he never explained why.

Clearly, there is still something very important here that they're still not telling us. Otherwise, there would now be no reason for them to be meeting in a scientific conference in Ekaterinburg to discuss the results further.

Whatever it is... Could the one remaining detail about these latest DNA tests that they are still not telling us -- and are now meeting behind closed doors to discuss in Ekaterinburg -- also be the very same reason that the ground search is still underway for a possible third burial pit?.... what Nikolai Nevolin had described to the media back on Sept. 4th of this year as the continuing search for "another small burial site, a hole with the same amount of bones"?

Whatever the case may be ...

They *still* have not told us when they are actually going publish that much-anticipated final investigation report... and there *still* is no word at all on those DNA tests they have been doing to look for any solid genetic evidence of that popularly suspected faulty Factor VIII gene.

JK

[Anna was Franziska]

JK, I have to say that I AGREE with what you're saying. Even though I don't believe in claimants, the way they're handling this whole thing sounds very iffy and I can see why people like you are suspcious- I really do. If it's all figured out now and that's the end of it why not SAY SO and stop all the dillydallying around that only leads to more questions? They need to just put an end to it, or admit they don't think it's over-and if it's not over, if they still have issues, what and why?

If the answer is that the 1991 bones and the 2007 bones ARE 100% the royals and all are officially accounted for why not just say it? The way they are acting does look like they have something to hide, and I am frustrated with the whole thing. I don't believe there is anything to hide, but like I said I can see how with the way things are going those who do think there is something to hide feel the way they do. What I want and what we all need is an official announcement stating once and for all they all died that night and we have proof. Is that so hard?

[Anna was Franziska]

here is this one in Russian


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and babelfish translation of this one part

The results of the examination of the laboratory of identification DNA of the armed forces of the USA finally confirmed the belonging of obtained on The [koptyakovskoy] road of last year of remains two people to the members of the tsarist family of Romanovs, Aleksey and Maria.

[Kat]

Hello, I was just reading this thread ... it is very interesting ... I was wondering ... I know people are wondering why the need for this latest researchers conference, and speculating that there must be more questions or something that indicates something fishy is going on ... but I think there can be different reasons for it ... first of all, maybe they're all individually convinced of the truth, but the conference is to appraise each other of the different techniques used and how useful or not useful they were ... secondly I read in this same thread that the different laboratories / scientists held different beliefs as to whose remains belonged to whom, especially amongst the women. So, maybe what ever questions that are remaining, pertain to that? ... Also I've read that it is possible to determine from bones a number of other things such as if the person had any diseases, etc., so it is possible that their investigations revealed "new" information or created new questions about the family that could perhaps shed some light on, for example, how they died or who done it or something like that.