The Qajar Dynasty and Imperial Succession after the Pahlavis

[PersianPride]

You guys mustn't forget the Qajar princes are around 50'000 now all over the world and are not considered as "princes" by Iranians. However, the families considered as nobility were the families that had power during the Qajar era and the Qajar family itself is thus for sure considered as part of the aristocracy but not really "princes".

[Jason R Maier esq]

Originally Posted by lucien

HIH Prince Soltan Ali Mirza Qajar to be precise.

Ahh . . ok

I had read something on Wikipedia showing that HIH Prince Soltan Ali Mirza Qajar has been the head of the Imperial family since 1988, while HIH Mohammad Hassan Mirza II Qajar has been the Heir Presumptive since 1988.

Here's what I found: Qajar dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting that there are two lists there . . . .

[Jason R Maier esq]

Just a question regarding the succession of the Pahlavi claim to the Peacock Throne.

As it stands now, HIH Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi is the head of the Pahlavi family. Since he has 3 daughters, the next in line would be his brother HIH Ali-Reza Pahlavi (who is unmarried).

After them, who's next?

[lucien]

Originally Posted by PersianPride

You guys mustn't forget the Qajar princes are around 50'000 now all over the world and are not considered as "princes" by Iranians. However, the families considered as nobility were the families that had power during the Qajar era and the Qajar family itself is thus for sure considered as part of the aristocracy but not really "princes".

Yes they are plentifull,the Qajar dynasty,especially HIH Prince Soltan's grandchildren,they were all over the place,it looked like a kindergarten,and by the sheer noise you would have believed it was one....grin...

But I've send some pics to Marengo to post here a while ago of the Head of the Dynasty and other Qajar Princess & Princesses as
they stayed with a friend of mine,and opened an exhibition of Art during the Qajar Reign,during their annual family gathering which was
in The Netherlands this summer.

I know he's a very busy man,but maybe,petêtre,vielleicht,he can find a spare sec to post them still.......

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Jason R Maier esq

As it stands now, HIH Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi is the head of the Pahlavi family. Since he has 3 daughters, the next in line would be his brother HIH Ali-Reza Pahlavi (who is unmarried).

After them, who's next?

See this Wiki link According to this, the Pahlavi dynasty becomes extinct in the male line after Prince Ali Reza if he has no son.
The Imperial succession could then revert to the Qajar dynasty and its living descendants.

[Vasillisos Markos]

I have a friend who has a portrait of Sultan Fath Ali Shah Qajar. Can anyone suggest who to contact to verify whether this is an original portrait commissioned by the sultan? It is very old and it was purchased decades ago in Saudi Arabia.

[plant1965]

Do any Descendants of the Safavid Dynasty Of Iran Still Live? I know Shah Tahmasp II Was deposed and exiiled in favor of his young son Shah Abas III who was also later deposed and sent into exile with his father in the late 18th century. I also know that both were assasinated in Exhile in favor of the Qajars Who then Reighned until deposed by the late Shah Pahlavi's Father! I have also researched the Qajars and The Heir Apparent today 9if he were to choose that title) lives in the Dallas Texas Area, ( Mohammad Hassan Mirja II) and has a son (H. H. Prince Arsalan Mirza) For anyone interested!

[fzare]

Hey Vanessa maybe you need to do a little more research. by all accounts Nasser was a educated and persuasive man however, the assassination was only an attempt (unsuccessful) AFTER he ordered the murder of the Baha'i leader (the Bab) who promoted peace and non-resistance, despite the Nasser's sanction of the brutal killing of thousands of Bahais including women and children. He was eventually assassinated by Mirza Reza Kermani who was a follower of Jamal-al-Din al-Afghani who was incidentally an Islamic idealogist. Despite his engaging travel diaries, the great amounts of public works he began, at the time of his death it was revealed that he had been granting numerous concessionary rights to foreigners in return for large payments that went into his own pockets, and was thought by many of the general populace to be a dictator and anti-reformist. I also read the the book by Taj-al Saltana, and even through her devotion to her father she has some disquiet over his treatment of Baha'is. Amir Kabir may have been one of the most capable prime ministers and reofrmers of Iran however to Baha'is he is as bad as Hitler, personally ordereding the execution of the Seven Martyrs of Tehran and the execution of The Báb, and is regarded even today as one of the greatest oppressors of the Baha'i faith.

[MichaelPasha]

If ANYONE deserves recognition as the TRUE Imperial Dynasty of Iran, it is the Qajars.
The "Pahlevi" made up their name. Reza Khan was a Turkic tribesman who overthrew the real Royal Family.

[Warren]

According to Wiki the Qajars were also of Turkic origin.
All dynasties came from somewhere and most replaced or overthrew the previous dynasty, or rose up to fill a vacuum.
The last Khan of the Zand dynasty was "deposed, blinded and killed" in 1794 by Agha Mohammed Khan, the founder of the Qajar dynasty. In 1796 he went on to kill Shahrokh, the last Shah of the Afsharid dynasty.

Whatever the verdict is on Reza Khan, at least he didn't follow tradition by killing Ahmad, the last ruling Qajar Shah, but instead allowed him to go into European exile with his family.

Nonetheless, the Qajars ruled for about 130 years, so they have that over the Pahlavi's mere 54 years, plus they appear to have male successors, something the Pahlavi family lacks.

[Cory]

Any claims from the Qajar to reign again?

[NoorMeansLight]

Is this the dynasty Queen Soraya came from?

[Princess Xenia]

Originally Posted by NoorMeansLight

Is this the dynasty Queen Soraya came from?

No, Princess Soraya was descended from Bakhtiari nobility, a southwestern tribe of Iran.

[Princess Xenia]

Originally Posted by MichaelPasha

If ANYONE deserves recognition as the TRUE Imperial Dynasty of Iran, it is the Qajars.
The "Pahlevi" made up their name. Reza Khan was a Turkic tribesman who overthrew the real Royal Family.

What make you think that way? The period when Iran was ruled by Qajars was one of the most terrible period in Iran's history. It was a time of military defeats, ceding Iranian lands, vast expenditures for the royal court and the royal families as the Qajar kings had many children and all of them wanted to have a princely life and Iran was going to be divided between UK and Russia during their reign. So they will never be remembered as the true imperial family of Iran.

[NoorMeansLight]

Originally Posted by Princess Xenia

No, Princess Soraya was descended from Bakhtiari nobility, a southwestern tribe of Iran.

Thank you! So many tribes and dynasties...