The Chances of Restoration of Monarchy in Iran

[Frozen Royalist]

All in all I think the only thing us monarchists can do right now for Iran is wait and keep our fingers crossed. Wow you guys made me change my opinion of a possible restoration in Iran, congrats friends

But still I honestly think the current government is going to have to go out in a combination of the terms of the opposition and the terms of the government itself. When the Libyan and Iraqi dictatorships were overthrown we got a power vacuum in both nations that led to the creation of ISIS and a very fractured Libya that is stuck in limbo between a republic, a federal state, balkanization, a theocracy and a constitutional monarchy so Iran would have to be treated with the utmost care.

-Frozen Royalist

[wyevale]

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/948243452050989056

Tehran Last night.. the crowd calls clearly for Reza Shah..

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by wyevale

I am puzzled Duc_et_Pair, by your deeply inconsistent nomenclature regarding deposed Royals..
You describe [presumably to insult] a deposed, but Crowned [within living memory] Empress as 'Mrs' yet call a member of the Orleans House [deposed in 1848] 'Dauphin' ?
Baffling, but I suppose it speaks to your prejudices ?

It is quite surprisingly simple Wyevale. Jean d'Orléans is a scion from the ancient House of Capet which ruled in France, Spain (plus the immense world empires of these two countries), Parma, Luxembourg, the Two Sicilies, Brazil and name it.

The so-called "King of Kings" was the son of a military coup leader. It is fine that you hail an oppressive military junta, but then be consequent. Why not hail other military coup leaders as Franco (whose granddaughter married the ainé des capétiens) or Mu'ammar al-Khadaffi. The son of this last despicable figure, Sayef al Islam al-Khadaffi has ambifions to lead Libia. When he crowns himself Emir-of-all-Emirs then you stand up for loud cheers to him? After all there is little difference between the son of Colonel Pahlavi and Colonel Al-Khadaffi.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

It is quite surprisingly simple Wyevale. Jean d'Orléans is a scion from the ancient House of Capet which ruled in France, Spain (plus the immense world empires of these two countries), Parma, Luxembourg, the Two Sicilies, Brazil and name it.

The so-called "King of Kings" was the son of a military coup leader. It is fine that you hail an oppressive military junta, but then be consequent. Why not hail other military coup leaders as Franco (whose granddaughter married the ainé des capétiens) or Mu'ammar al-Khadaffi. The son of this last despicable figure, Sayef al Islam al-Khadaffi has ambifions to lead Libia. When he crowns himself Emir-of-all-Emirs then you stand up for loud cheers to him? After all there is little difference between the son of Colonel Pahlavi and Colonel Al-Khadaffi.

The son in law of Quadjars founded a new Dynasty and some of his descendants are also descendants of the Quadjars.

[Katrianna]

The revolution of 1979 parallels the Bolshevik Revolution in that the public was sick of poor economic conditions, they were appalled at the lavish lifestyle of the Shah and his family over the years while ordinary people eked out a living and saw US oil companies/corporations funneled millions and million out of the country for their huge profits while the US government continually supported this and propped up the Shah as long as he remained a staunch US ally. The people bought what the Islamists preached and truly thought they would have a govt. that could improve their lives. Well, gee, they traded one bad govt. and absolute ruler for another.
The people put their hopes in an improved economy which may have come around after the Nuclear Treaty was signed and most of the sanctions were lifted. Unfortunately, the price of oil tanked, but more importantly living and economic conditions have not improved and people are as frustrated as they were with the Shah. I can see why the mainly young people are calling for restoration of the Shah/Monarchy, but they didn't live under the brutal secret police, the crackdown, arrests and torture of opponents of the Shah and crackdown of any media freedoms. The grass always seems greener when one wants to get rid of a particular govt./leader.
I think before the restoration of a Monarchy, as I've written elsewhere, there needs to be a stable govt. in place as a foundation. After a stable govt. has been established and working for a substantial period of time, then it's time to put the possible restoration of Monarchy to the vote of the people.
OT: the AJAX operation did no favors to the Iranian people. The favors were to the US oil companies, US govt. and the Shah. It was the start of the very troubles that led Iran to the situation of today. At around the same time period of AJAX, the Syrian Govt. at the time was overthrown by another CIA backed/led coup which led eventually to Al-Assad dynasty and the situation in Syria today. Much of the atmosphere in the Middle East can be traced by to the Eisenhower/Dulles years and now we have Emperor, I mean President Trump fanning the flames of further unstability again.

[Katrianna]

Sorry, I meant to write instability. It's much too late for me, off to bed.

[eya]

Statement Regarding Recent Protests in Iran from Empress Farah

https://farahpahlavi.org/press-relea...otests-in-iran

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by eya

Statement Regarding Recent Protests in Iran from Empress Farah

https://farahpahlavi.org/press-relea...otests-in-iran

"The Iranians are waiting for an enlighted and progressive Iran".

This unlike the oppressive, corrupt and nepotist rule of her late husband. "An enlighted and progressive Iran": so we can exclude the return of a man naming himself "King of Kings".

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

"The Iranians are waiting for an enlighted and progressive Iran".

This unlike the oppressive, corrupt and nepotist rule of her late husband. "An enlighted and progressive Iran": so we can exclude the return of a man naming himself "Kings of Kings".

Trying to forget all the reforms of the late Shah and to see only his possible mistakes it is certainly not fair.

[Gaudete]

Originally Posted by eya

Statement Regarding Recent Protests in Iran from Empress Farah

https://farahpahlavi.org/press-relea...otests-in-iran

It's easy to see why the Empress is still very much respected in Iran. Other exiled monarchs and their families would do well to pay her a visit and see how she handles such things with such dignity and intelligence.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Gaudete

It's easy to see why the Empress is still very much respected in Iran. Other exiled monarchs and their families would do well to pay her a visit and see how she handles such things with such dignity and intelligence.

It is pretty easy to show "dignity and intelligence" with placing a Hermès scarf around your former "imperial" neck and then write some freebees on social media. Let us be realistic. This is possibly the still living record holder of the contest: who can wear the biggest load of diamonds and the longest possible ermine train?

People seem to forget that the ayatollahs found very fertile ground for their campaign against the "Shah" and that was not for nothing. If Iran was all so happy under the Pahlavis, the ayatollahs would not have had any chance.

Joséphine de Beauharnais

The Joséphine look-a-like in an Arab country

[Gaudete]

That’s rather unfair to Her Majesty considering that many in her position could have just enjoyed a quiet life putting her past behind her. She has not. Her work for Iran since the time of her exile cannot be written off or ignored. In many ways she’s done for more in exile than some royals who still enjoy their positions.

[Nico]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

It is pretty easy to show "dignity and intelligence" with placing a Hermès scarf around your former "imperial" neck and then write some freebees on social media. Let us be realistic. This is possibly the still living record holder of the contest: who can wear the biggest load of diamonds and the longest possible ermine train?

People seem to forget that the ayatollahs found very fertile ground for their campaign against the "Shah" and that was not for nothing. If Iran was all so happy under the Pahlavis, the ayatollahs would not have had any chance.

Joséphine de Beauharnais

The Joséphine look-a-like in an Arab country

Your crusade against the Pahlavis is suprising, if not laughable.
I wonder if you're so picky with the other ex monarchs from "young" dynasties...
But i guess it would be far less enjoyable to play with the clichés you love

[RoyalHighness 2002]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

The Joséphine look-a-like in an Arab country

By the way Iran is not an ethnically Arab country, it's Persian.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Nico

Your crusade against the Pahlavis is suprising, if not laughable.
I wonder if you're so picky with the other ex monarchs from "young" dynasties...
But i guess it would be far less enjoyable to play with the clichés you love

When Sayef-al-Islam al-Khadaffi, the son of military coup leader Colonel Mu'ammar al-Khadaffi succeeds to take the power in Libya and he titles himself King of Libya, I expect you to bow deep, in utter adoration and reverence.

After all then there is no any difference with the son of military coup leader Colonel Reza Pahlavi, who titled himself "Shah of Iran". And there is also no difference with that other miltary coup leader Capitain Jean-Bédel Bokassa who titled himself Empereur Centrafricain.

[Marengo]

I suppose we can add the Carolingians to the list too then? Although the dynasty did give Europe Emperor Charles the Great and many other kings and emperors, it only started with his grandfather: Charles Martel. A military leader and mayor of the palace.

I have never seen anybody refer to "Emperor" Charles the Great though.

Although you may have your reservations about the last Shah and his dynasty, which indeed was installed in a coup, the use of quotation marks around his title is petty.

[Gaudete]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

When Sayef-al-Islam al-Khadaffi, the son of military coup leader Colonel Mu'ammar al-Khadaffi succeeds to take the power in Libya and he titles himself King of Libya, I expect you to bow deep, in utter adoration and reverence.

After all then there is no any difference with the son of military coup leader Colonel Reza Pahlavi, who titled himself "Shah of Iran". And there is also no difference with that other miltary coup leader Capitain Jean-Bédel Bokassa who titled himself Empereur Centrafricain.

How many monarchies were established by the will of the people through elections rather than by force? By your logic, there are no valid Kings or Queens left anywhere in the world.

[Nico]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

When Sayef-al-Islam al-Khadaffi, the son of military coup leader Colonel Mu'ammar al-Khadaffi succeeds to take the power in Libya and he titles himself King of Libya, I expect you to bow deep, in utter adoration and reverence.

After all then there is no any difference with the son of military coup leader Colonel Reza Pahlavi, who titled himself "Shah of Iran". And there is also no difference with that other miltary coup leader Capitain Jean-Bédel Bokassa who titled himself Empereur Centrafricain.

And Bonaparte was a general, the first Grimaldi a monk and Zog of Albania the President of his own country...
Farah had to fight all her life against condescending attitude like yours. As pointed out, "petty" and "ignorant" seem quite fitting to sumarize your comments.
Just keep them rolling, at least it's entertaining (and don't forget to bow deep to your usual "coterie", i know you like French words).

[Frozen Royalist]

I apologize for beating a dead horse at this point but still, there have been plenty of royal dynasties that were established by people who were in the military, were prominent politicians or just simply something else entirely. Just to name a few from the past few centuries besides the Pahlavi, Bonaparte and Zogu dynasties we also have the Bernadotte Dynasty, which is the current ruling house of Sweden, a dynasty that was established by a French general that was quite loved by the Swedish people so much so that the last king of the previous dynasty declared him to his successor. The House of Yi, Korea's final ruling dynasty was established by a general. The Karadordevic Dynasty of Serbia/Yugoslavia was established by a rebel leader against the Ottoman Empire. Several of China's dynasties were established by generals and/or politicians. So in a way it doesn't really take much for a family or clan or whatever to become a royal family of a nation, whether for better or for worse.

So what makes the Pahlavi Dynasty different from the others exactly? Their background? Their way of ruling (Let me tell you that there have been several dynasties that have caused more destruction, were more greedy, and were just plain unlikable compared to the Pahlavi Dynasty)? Or just how long they lasted as the Iranian Imperial Royal Family?

Look the Pahlavi Dynasty aren't perfect, they never were in my opinion. The fact that the Pahlavi Dynasty is just so human in my opinion is what makes them so fascinating and one of my favorite dynasties of all time, they have made mistakes and they are trying to do everything they can to make up for it with as much dignity, kindness and as much support for their fellow Iranians (both exiled and living under the messed Islamic Republic) as humanly possible. Also in my opinion they are a hell of a lot better then the Qajar, Afsharid and Zand Dynasties and the Pahlavi Dynasty is definitely and without a doubt several times better than the horrid Islamic Republic that reigns over Iran. I just hope the days of the Islamic Republic are finally and I mean finally numbered.

-Frozen Royalist

[Katrianna]

As far I as I know from the latest news the protests are limited to the cities and haven't spread to rural areas where the people are still firm supporters of the Islamic Republic plus the military is still supporting the present cleric leaders and not interfering with the Revolutionary Guard.
OT: Cesar Chavez and now his successor Maduro in Venezuela are still in power because the military still supports the regime and that's despite years now of economic collapse and continuous protests by the public everywhere in the country.
I regret being a downer, but I don't see the end of the present regime as their days being finally numbered to be realistic. There's a long ways to go.