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Old 04-27-2018, 06:49 AM
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Luitpold of Bavaria and Leopold of Bavaria attended the 27th Montblanc de la Culture Arts Patronage Award 2018 in Munich yesterday, April 26:


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Prince Manuel and princess Anna attended at the wedding of Joen Bonnier und Jessica Crawley in Stockholm on 12th May.
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Franz, Duke of Bavaria, attended the pre-opening of the new Museum of Bavarian History in Regensburg, Germany, on June 9:


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Elisabeth, Princess in Bayern and her husband Daniel Terberger attended 'Der Berliner Salon' Spring/Summer 2019 in Berlin today, July 6:


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Old 07-11-2018, 01:23 AM
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Leopold, Prince of Bavaria, Ursula, Princess of Bavaria, Duke Max in Bayern and Duchess Elisabeth in Bayern attended the Summer Reception of the Bavarian State Parliament at Schleissheim Palace in Munich yesterday, July 10:


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Leopold, Prince of Bavaria, Ursula, Princess of Bavaria and Franz, Duke of Bavaria, attended the opera Piquet Dame during the Salzburg Festival in Salzburg, Austria, yesterday, August 5:


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Elisabeth, Princess in Bayern and her husband Daniel Terberger attended the AIGNER re-opening in Salzburg, Austria, on August 9:


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Old 08-22-2018, 08:27 AM
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Could anyone please kindly explain the different titles of the Royal House of Bavaria (i.e. duke of Bavaria, duke in Bavaria, prince of Bavaria, prince in Bavaria, etc.) ?
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Could anyone please kindly explain the different titles of the Royal House of Bavaria (i.e. duke of Bavaria, duke in Bavaria, prince of Bavaria, prince in Bavaria, etc.) ?
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Wedding of Prince Konstantin & Deniz Kaya took place on 1 September in St. Moritz:

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Old 09-03-2018, 06:24 AM
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That is not so difficult.

Von Bayern = main lineage

In Bayern = collateral lineages

But... These collateral lineages have become extinct. The title Herzog in Bayern would have ended was it not that the previous Herzog in Bayern adopted his second cousin Max as his legal son, heir and successor. This Max is the younger brother of the current Herzog von Bayern, Franz.

But things will be complicated again: Franz, Herzog von Bayern has no issue. His brother Max, Herzog in Bayern is his heir. So once again the title Herzog in Bayern is on the verge of extinction.

Or the new Duke will combine it: Max, Herzog von und in Bayern, uniting both titles in his person.
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And Max has only daughters.
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Old 09-03-2018, 08:15 AM
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And Max has only daughters.
That is true, but Prince Luitpold (both his parents were a born Prince and a born Princess of Bavaria) and his three sons are successors as well, since Herzog Franz has declared his marriage dynastic indeed. Maybe we will see the title Herzog von und in Bayern used by Luitpold. It will be interesting to see what will happen with the massive properties of both the Herzog von Bayern and the Herzog in Bayern. I think the daughters of Herzog Max will inherit a fair share. Prince Luitpold is already a man in bonus anyway.
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Didn't duke Max already divide most of his properties between his daughters? IIRC there was an interview with Dss Helene, the duke's 3rd daughter, in Schloss Wildbad Kreuth, which was hers. I believe the eldest daughter mainly received forest lands.

Wildbath Kreth will become a resort/hotel btw: https://www.merkur.de/lokales/region...k-6267783.html
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Old 09-03-2018, 10:23 AM
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Didn't duke Max already divide most of his properties between his daughters? IIRC there was an interview with Dss Helene, the duke's 3rd daughter, in Schloss Wildbad Kreuth, which was hers. I believe the eldest daughter mainly received forest lands.

Wildbath Kreth will become a resort/hotel btw: https://www.merkur.de/lokales/region...k-6267783.html
Good for the Duke. The daughters are wealthy ladies, not to mention Sophie, possibly the future wealthiest European female royal by marriage.
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That is not so difficult.

Von Bayern = main lineage

In Bayern = collateral lineages

But... These collateral lineages have become extinct. The title Herzog in Bayern would have ended was it not that the previous Herzog in Bayern adopted his second cousin Max as his legal son, heir and successor. This Max is the younger brother of the current Herzog von Bayern, Franz.

But things will be complicated again: Franz, Herzog von Bayern has no issue. His brother Max, Herzog in Bayern is his heir. So once again the title Herzog in Bayern is on the verge of extinction.

Or the new Duke will combine it: Max, Herzog von und in Bayern, uniting both titles in his person.

I think they will stop to use the tile of a "duke in Bavaria".
For those interested in history: the House of Wittelsbach, originally from the villages of Ober- and Unterwittelsbach north of Augsburg in Bavaria, had several lines. The two most important reigned in Bavaria as duke of Bavaria and the other line in the Palatinate as Prince Elector of the Palatinate.



In winter 1919/1620, shortly after the beginning of The Great War of 30 years (which started with the defenestration of Prague), Frederick V. of the Palatinate made the grave error to head the protestant try to take Bohemia back from the catholic Habsburgs of Austria and let himself be voted for and crowned king of Bohemia. The Habsburgs threw him out and he henceforth lived with his wife Elisabeth Stuart, only daughter of James I. of England and VI. of Scotland (a granddaughter of Mary Stuart) in Den Haag, having lost the Palatinate to the Habsburg-troups from Spain and the office of Prince Elector to his Wittelsbach-cousin Maximilian I. of Bavaria. After Maximilian's death, the office of Prince Elector returned to the Palatinian Wittelsbach and a new one was created for the Bavarian Wittelsbachs.



Frederick's and Elisabeth Stuart's daughter Sophie of the Palatinate btw. was married to the Prince Elector of Hannover and protestant her line was elected by the English and Scottish parliament to inherit the Stuart throne.


In 1766 it was clear that the Bavarian lines of the Wittelsbachs would die out with Maximilian III. Joseph, Prince Elector and Duke of Bavaria. meanwhile the Palatinian line of Pfalz-Neuburg (in Bavaria, but they owned the Palatinate) had died out and Karl Theodor, Duke of Pfalz-Sulzbach had become the new Prince Elector. So Max III. Joseph and Karl Theodor signed a treaty declaring the unity of the Palatinate and Bavaria and named Munich as the capital. So when Max died in 1777, Karl Theodor inherited Bavaria and moved to Munich.


One of the first things he did was grant his Palatinian relatives, who had never held Bavarian titles, ducal titles of Bavaria. But not the traditional "von"-title, but the new title "in" Bavaria in addition to their Palatinian titles. So when Duke Max in Bavaria, Count Palatine of Palatinate-Birkenfeld-Gelnhausen married Princess Ludovika of Bavaria, daughter of his cousin Max, the successor of Karl Theodor and by Napoleon's grace king Max I. Joseph of Bavaria, the whole "in Bavaria"-branch of the Wittelsbachs were given the style of Royal Highnesses in addition to their ducal titles.



One of their children was Elisabeth - HRH Elisabeth, duchess in Bavaria, who married Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria.


So the ducal title of "in Bavaria" is the lesser of the two ducal titles in Bavaria. There is no title of Prince/Princess in Bavaria as the original Palatinian titles were Count/Countess of the Palatinate (Pfalzgraf/-gräfin). Max who is a born "Prinz von Bayern" from the Ducal later Royal main line only let himself be adopted to be able to inherit the wealth of the "in Bavaria"-branch of the family, I don't think the title mattered to him as if is lower in rank than the title he was born with. AFAIK his daughters hold both titles (or did before they married): princess "von" and duchess "in" but the "von" members are closer to the throne, so their title is higher in rank.



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I think they will stop to use the tile of a "duke in Bavaria".
For those interested in history: the House of Wittelsbach, originally from the villages of Ober- and Unterwittelsbach north of Augsburg in Bavaria, had several lines. The two most important reigned in Bavaria as duke of Bavaria and the other line in the Palatinate as Prince Elector of the Palatinate.



In winter 1919/1620, shortly after the beginning of The Great War of 30 years (which started with the defenestration of Prague), Frederick V. of the Palatinate made the grave error to head the protestant try to take Bohemia back from the catholic Habsburgs of Austria and let himself be voted for and crowned king of Bohemia. The Habsburgs threw him out and he henceforth lived with his wife Elisabeth Stuart, only daughter of James I. of England and VI. of Scotland (a granddaughter of Mary Stuart) in Den Haag, having lost the Palatinate to the Habsburg-troups from Spain and the office of Prince Elector to his Wittelsbach-cousin Maximilian I. of Bavaria. After Maximilian's death, the office of Prince Elector returned to the Palatinian Wittelsbach and a new one was created for the Bavarian Wittelsbachs.



Frederick's and Elisabeth Stuart's daughter Sophie of the Palatinate btw. was married to the Prince Elector of Hannover and protestant her line was elected by the English and Scottish parliament to inherit the Stuart throne.


In 1766 it was clear that the Bavarian lines of the Wittelsbachs would die out with Maximilian III. Joseph, Prince Elector and Duke of Bavaria. meanwhile the Palatinian line of Pfalz-Neuburg (in Bavaria, but they owned the Palatinate) had died out and Karl Theodor, Duke of Pfalz-Sulzbach had become the new Prince Elector. So Max III. Joseph and Karl Theodor signed a treaty declaring the unity of the Palatinate and Bavaria and named Munich as the capital. So when Max died in 1777, Karl Theodor inherited Bavaria and moved to Munich.


One of the first things he did was grant his Palatinian relatives, who had never held Bavarian titles, ducal titles of Bavaria. But not the traditional "von"-title, but the new title "in" Bavaria in addition to their Palatinian titles. So when Duke Max in Bavaria, Count Palatine of Palatinate-Birkenfeld-Gelnhausen married Princess Ludovika of Bavaria, daughter of his cousin Max, the successor of Karl Theodor and by Napoleon's grace king Max I. Joseph of Bavaria, the whole "in Bavaria"-branch of the Wittelsbachs were given the style of Royal Highnesses in addition to their ducal titles.



One of their children was Elisabeth - HRH Elisabeth, duchess in Bavaria, who married Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria.


So the ducal title of "in Bavaria" is the lesser of the two ducal titles in Bavaria. There is no title of Prince/Princess in Bavaria as the original Palatinian titles were Count/Countess of the Palatinate (Pfalzgraf/-gräfin). Max who is a born "Prinz von Bayern" from the Ducal later Royal main line only let himself be adopted to be able to inherit the wealth of the "in Bavaria"-branch of the family, I don't think the title mattered to him as if is lower in rank than the title he was born with. AFAIK his daughters hold both titles (or did before they married): princess "von" and duchess "in" but the "von" members are closer to the throne, so their title is higher in rank.



If you have any further questions, I'll try to answer them.
A reason that Max was adopted was that he is also descending fromthe ducal line through his paternal grandmother which is only the case for him and Duke Franz. I have once read that he has adopted one of his grandsons nut not more was mentioned in the Article
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Princess Anna during the Oktoberfest 2018 opening and Lodenfrey Wiesn Schuetzenfesthalle, Schuetzenzelt at Theresienwiese on 22 September in Munich

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Her husband Manuel, Prince of Bavaria, attended as well:


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Anna, Princess of Bavaria, attended the "Bild Stammtisch" during the Oktoberfest in Munich yesterday, September 23:


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