Princely House von Bismarck

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Nathalie von Bismarck attended the 'Forever Crazy' show at the Postpalast in Munich, Germany, on December 4, 2012.



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Nathalie von Bismarck attended amfAR's 20th annual Cinema Against AIDS during the 66th Annual Cannes Film Festival at Hotel du Cap-Eden-Roc in Cap d'Antibes, southern France on May 23, 2013.



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[MAfan]

Count Andreas von Bismarck-Schönhausen passed away in Salzburg on 20 July 2013, aged 72.

Born in Berlin on 14 February 1941, he was the youngest child and only son of Count Gottfried von Bismarck-Schönhausen and of his wife, née Countess Melanie Hoyos.
He has been married firstly from 1965 to 1974 to Countess Olivia Larisch von Moennich, by whom he had two daughters, Christina and Tatjana. He later remarried in 1975 to Charlotte Kinberg, by whom he had a third daughter, Stephanie.
He is survived by his wife Charlotte, his three daughters and their families.

Leute: Stephanie zu Guttenberg trauert um ihren Vater - N24.de

His daughter youngest Stephanie is the wife of former German Minister of Defence Baron Karl Therodor von und zu Guttenberg.

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Nathalie von Bismarck attended the Life Charity Cocktail in favour of the Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem in Munich, Germany on September 10, 2013:



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On October 19 Nathalie von Bismarck and Carl-Eduard von Bismarck attended the Hadassah Dinner And Dance Charity Gala at the Kesselhaus in Munich, Germany.


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And on October 29 Nathalia von Bismarck was a guest at Gabrielle's Angel Foundation Hosts Angel Ball 2013 at Cipriani Wall Street in New York.



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[Al_bina]

Celebrities attend Nicholas von Bismarck's exhibition in London | Tatler.ru

[Marengo]

Bunte has an article about Fürstin Bismarck, with the caption: "Fürstin Elisabeth von Bismarck is ashamed for her son".

She thinks that her son Carl Eduard put the family name to shame. In January Fürst Ferdinand went to the notary and made his younger son Gregor head of the estate.

Fürstin Elisabeth von Bismarck: Sie schämt sich für ihren Sohn! | BUNTE.de

The Fürst already planned this action in 2010:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post1174942

[Al_bina]

What does "going to the notary" mean? Does Gregor become the next Furst? ... or is he just going to manage the family affairs and funds?

[LadyFinn]

Carl-Eduard and Nathalie von Bismarck have divorced in August.
Carl-Eduard von Bismarck Heimliche Scheidung von seiner Nathalie! BUNTE.de
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[LadyFinn]

Nathalie von Bismarck gave birth to a girl on 8th September in London. Only her closest friends knew that she was pregnant, her ex-husband was informed only after the birth. She didn't tell Bunte who the father of the girl is, but it isn't her ex-husband. The girl has as last name Nathalie's maiden name Bariman.
Nathalie von Bismarck Baby von neuem Mann! BUNTE.de

[LadyFinn]

Nathalie von Bismarck attended on Wednesday "Classic meets Soul & Jazz" -concert in Munchen. Bunte tells that the name of her daughter is Mia Sky.
Nathalie von Bismarck Erster Auftritt nach der heimlichen Geburt! BUNTE.de

[CyrilVladisla]

Ferdinand von Bismarck married the Belgian countess Elisabeth Lippens.
Do their sons have any title through their Belgian mother?

[MAfan]

No, they don't. Actually, I'm not even sure that Elisabeth was a Countess at all, since the comital title wasn't granted to all the members of the Lippens family but only to certain male members.

[Martinel]

How outrageous for the House of Bismarcks to cope with such a commoner who gets pregnant from another man while still married to a Bismarck! And dares to go around publicly using the Bismarck name...What a shameful action!

[Marengo]

I suppose the Bismarcks understand that it is best to keep quiet about it, as they must realise too that the behavior of the ex-husband is far more shameful.

[Duke of Marmalade]

Exactly, I think Nathalie at least tried, but Calle is beyond help. At some point she moved on with her life and had another baby. The baby has her maiden name and not Bismarck, and why should Nathalie give up the Bismarck name while her children keep it?

[Marengo]

TBH I always find it odd when after a divorce a lady keeps her ex-husbands name. I don't know (m)any examples in the Netherlands where that happened. Why would you want to be associated with your ex in such a way?

However it seems to be more common in Germany, Corinna von Sayn Witgenstein Sayn is another example. Or CE's deceased 2nd ex-wife Celia von Bismarck.

[Duke of Marmalade]

I can understand in Nathalie's case when there are underaged children. Why would a mother give up the ex-husband's name and have a different name than her children?

I agree with you that very often not so famous women keep the name of their ex to remain in the spotlight, eg Boris Becker.

[Duc_et_Pair]

There was a documentary this week on German TV (ZDF or ARD) about the Von Bismarcks. I found it amusing to hear one of the Bismarcks telling that when she ordered goods by telephone, the person at the other side immediately imagined to have a Gutsherrin on the line, while she was just living in a normal house (looked a decent one anyway) in a normal (decent) neighbourhood.

The Von Bismarcks certainly still have estates but the family is pretty extended. Only a few handful are Gutsherr or Gutsherrin indeed. The rest live pretty normal lives.

[Martinel]

Well, there is nothing to keep it quiet, the ex-husband in case tried everything to keep his family together even couple therapy - bunte article. But the wife in case couldn't wait and ashamed the all family. Its fine to move on, but is better to keep the delays. Its undoubtely shameful. What a pitty!