Prince Ernst August (V) and the Royal House of Hanover 1: Ending 2021


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I dislike EA with every fiber of my being, he is a....
But right now, I feel for him. This goes far beyond his personality, he is really sick and suffering, it's not funny anymore.
I hope he get's better soon and has more quality of life. I also hope that he has good caregivers and has it left in him to treat them well.
 
It doesn't look good. He seems aggressive and angry and probalby not willing to cooperate with any treatement...
 
I know that E-A is a very wealthy Royal. I know that there are different rules for rich and prominent people.

But how is it that this man can go to the authorities armed with a baseball bat and threaten police with NO APPARENT CONSEQUENCES??

What is the limit of the law in Austria? Must he kill or seriously injure someone before action can be taken to restrain him??

If ever there was a case for committing someone to a mental asylum or hospital against his will it is Ernst- August. He is demonstrably ill in body and in mind.

But if he commits murder as he has been threatening to do....he should go to prison.:ermm:
 
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Moonmaiden23 said:
What is the limit of the law in Austria? Must he kill or seriously injure someone before action can be taken to restrain him??
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I googled it: § 3 UbG states - If a crazy person is a danger to himself or others, this person can get incarcerated against the person's will into a psychiatric ward.
https://vertretungsnetz.at/fileadmi...blikationen/Broschuere_PatRechte_2013_web.pdf

Now, one can imagine, that it takes a lot of hurdles, to bring someone into a mental facility, but if done so, it is surely not easy to get out! :ermm:
 
kalnel said:
Just curious: Was there something specific that made you dislike him so much?
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Yes, his behaviour during EXPO, the way he attacked people verbally and physically. Everything about him seems vulgar and entitled.
 
victor1319 said:
His family should get him out of Austria - but pronto!

Nothing worse than being a prominent, old, crazy fish in a a very small pond... - with all the activist judges and psychiatrists which can lay a claim to fame by locking the Prince up...

Latest news: Ernst August sr. is roaming around armed with a baseball bet, threatening police officers...:ermm:
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EA's aggressive and erratic behavior has been going on for years, almost decades... I am sure his family has been through hell and back and there comes a point where you have to let go. He's had several wake up calls already, came close to dying with pancreas issues, still he does not stop drinking or smoking. If he keeps pushing the self destruction button, fine, but he should not harm other individuals. I certainly think that his family has already contemplated having him locked up but that is not easy and severe action.
 
victor1319 said:
His family should get him out of Austria - but pronto!

Nothing worse than being a prominent, old, crazy fish in a a very small pond... - with all the activist judges and psychiatrists which can lay a claim to fame by locking the Prince up...

Latest news: Ernst August sr. is roaming around armed with a baseball bet, threatening police officers...:ermm:
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Please don't use the word "crazy" when referring to someone who clearly has a mental health problem (which alcoholism can often be linked to). It further reinforces the stigma and is one of the reasons why mental health still isn't taken as seriously as it should be. We can criticise Ernst August's actions without offending others who have had mental health problems.
 
Well ernst august,if you have time you are invited to my lodge in barcelona,as barcelona will host you on my behald,cheerio
 
victor1319 said:
I googled it: § 3 UbG states - If a crazy person is a danger to himself or others, this person can get incarcerated against the person's will into a psychiatric ward.
https://vertretungsnetz.at/fileadmi...blikationen/Broschuere_PatRechte_2013_web.pdf

Now, one can imagine, that it takes a lot of hurdles, to bring someone into a mental facility, but if done so, it is surely not easy to get out! :ermm:
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So the legal criteria for essentially committing someone to a psychiatric facility is very similar to the US. I opened up the file above and google translated:
Requirements (§ 3 UbG)
A person may only be accommodated in a psychiatric ward if three requirements are met at the same time:
• The person is mentally ill,
• there is a risk to the life or health of the sick person or other persons,
• and sufficient other treatment and care options are missing.

In the US there are several ways to go about this. An initial involuntary hold is served by law enforcement, the person is brought into a psychiatric lockdown unit where they are evaluated by psychiatry within a 72hr involuntary hold time period. The person is either discharged thereafter or if they meet the above criteria then a legal hold for a much longer period of time eg 14 days, 30 days etc. requiring further civil court orders unless they have committed a crime. That would be a game changer. I really don't know much about Prince Ernst August other than the forums. If he were hospitalized he could also be medically evaluated for things like end stage liver disease, organic brain disorders, and receive proper treatment. Amazing what good medical care can accomplish. It seems to me the family could appeal through the courts via a physician statement and attorney to put the wheels in motion.
 
Lady Daly said:
So the legal criteria for essentially committing someone to a psychiatric facility is very similar to the US. I opened up the file above and google translated:
Requirements (§ 3 UbG)
A person may only be accommodated in a psychiatric ward if three requirements are met at the same time:
• The person is mentally ill,
• there is a risk to the life or health of the sick person or other persons,
• and sufficient other treatment and care options are missing.
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Yep, these are the requirements! In Germany we have some "jokes" about "The Gods in black and white" - Judges and medical Doctors. But for poor Ernst August this might be no joke anymore soon enough. And to get treated and incarcerated against one's will is surely a terrifying shock!

I was asked above not to say Ernst August is "crazy" but rather to choose the wording "mental health issues". Well, Ernst August is for sure crazy, but that does not mean that he is necessarily rippled by mental health issues - maybe he is just lonely, excentric and his body is sick, but not his mind... Let's hope for the best!
 
Well, her mother was very pretty in her youth too...and still is. ;)
 
eya said:
"On Monday, 7 September, several police officers surrounded the hunting lodge of Prince Ernst August in Grünau in the Almtal in Austria. The Prince of Hanover is accused of dangerous threats as well as property damage and coercion, reports the Austrian "Kronen Zeitung". The 66-year-old was therefore provisionally arrested."


https://www.rtl.de/cms/prinz-ernst-august-von-hannover-wurde-festgenommen-4609727.html
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:sad:
It's clear the Prince is suffering from severe mental health issues. I hope his family are able to get the medical help he needs.
 
Lady Daly said:
So the legal criteria for essentially committing someone to a psychiatric facility is very similar to the US. I opened up the file above and google translated:
Requirements (§ 3 UbG)
A person may only be accommodated in a psychiatric ward if three requirements are met at the same time:
• The person is mentally ill,
• there is a risk to the life or health of the sick person or other persons,
• and sufficient other treatment and care options are missing.

In the US there are several ways to go about this. An initial involuntary hold is served by law enforcement, the person is brought into a psychiatric lockdown unit where they are evaluated by psychiatry within a 72hr involuntary hold time period. The person is either discharged thereafter or if they meet the above criteria then a legal hold for a much longer period of time eg 14 days, 30 days etc. requiring further civil court orders unless they have committed a crime. That would be a game changer. I really don't know much about Prince Ernst August other than the forums. If he were hospitalized he could also be medically evaluated for things like end stage liver disease, organic brain disorders, and receive proper treatment. Amazing what good medical care can accomplish. It seems to me the family could appeal through the courts via a physician statement and attorney to put the wheels in motion.
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Once again, we can try to avert our eyes away from the obvious yet until Prince Ernest August receives proper medical attention which includes both psychiatric and medical treatment these events will continue until there is no chance of it ending well.
 
I doubt if he's going to improve much. He has easy access to mental and physical health care but my impression is that he doesn't want to avail of it, and isn't likely to take any better care of himself.
 
Denville said:
I doubt if he's going to improve much. He has easy access to mental and physical health care but my impression is that he doesn't want to avail of it, and isn't likely to take any better care of himself.
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I feel so sorry for him and his family... He seems to be profoundly depressed, as if he had no reasons to live anymore and, yet, he has so many... :sad:
 
lazuli said:
I feel so sorry for him and his family... He seems to be profoundly depressed, as if he had no reasons to live anymore and, yet, he has so many... :sad:
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I'd save my sympathy for people who have a lot wrose problems than him. He seems to be a selfish individual who has acted in a bizarre way for years, abused drink and drugs.. and generally made a nuisance of himself.
 
Even if the legal criteria are actually there it can be very hard to get someone sectioned, even if you are beginning the police and health professionals for help. And even then it's hard to hold them for long. Especially if they have money.

His family has enough money for the best private rehabs/mental health clinics in the world to send specialist teams to try and persuade him he needs help and maybe they have. Maybe he has even attended some of them. But unless you're willing to admit you need have a problem and need help and work on yourself and your recovery with the support of professionals and and/or a support group nothing is going to work however many people try to be there for him or how many incidents he has.
 
It is difficult to understand that a person can be so ill they are unable to process reality or think like a normal person. This can be psychiatric or physical or in the princes case most likely a combination. If someone has cancer you don't wait until they are terminal to start treatment. Same with the Prince yet he is not cognitively capable of determining he needs care. It also appears he is a danger to others: "The Prince of Hanover is accused of dangerous threats as well as property damage and coercion... The 66-year-old is said to have asked the (caretaking) couple to run away. Otherwise he would send a gang of thugs on their necks. In addition, the prince is said to have torn out a traffic sign and smashed a window on an object belonging to the Duke of Cumberland Foundation."
https://www.rtl.de/cms/prinz-ernst-august-von-hannover-wurde-festgenommen-4609727.html

I know it is very different from country to country as to the process of committing a person who is a danger to himself or a danger to others. At some point law enforcement and the courts take precedent but as pointed out he has money and status which I agree makes it more difficult to commit him for care no matter the jurisdiction.
 
Moonmaiden23 said:
Hmm....what constitutes a "provisional arrest"?:cool::sad:
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https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/Dokument.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Dokumentnummer=NOR40050629

Such an arrest is allowed aong other things (see above), if the perp was caught "red-handed", if the perp is fleeing or about to flee, might disguise the evil doing or is accused of something, that might lead to more than six months incarceration.

That in itself is probably here not the problem! The Prince will have good lawyers and get bailed. But what, if the force him to see a shrink, while still in jail? :ermm::eek:
 
victor1319 said:
https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/Dokument.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Dokumentnummer=NOR40050629

Such an arrest is allowed aong other things (see above), if the perp was caught "red-handed", if the perp is fleeing or about to flee, might disguise the evil doing or is accused of something, that might lead to more than six months incarceration.

That in itself is probably here not the problem! The Prince will have good lawyers and get bailed. But what, if the force him to see a shrink, while still in jail? :ermm::eek:
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what if they do? I doubt it will do any good but its probably something they should do. however I don't think he is going to change.
 
Moonmaiden23 said:
Hmm....what constitutes a "provisional arrest"?:cool::sad:
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Good point Moonmaiden, meaning probationary to be changed at a later date. Possibly a court date or charges dropped?? Yes, very sad. The man is in serious need of medical care.
 
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